BDCtheKeysmith

I had a dream where me and my Wife fought Sora and Kairi to a good doubleteam survival on Smash. Then we got bored, and then we fought the KH couple to a Keyblade Tag Team fight. It ended in a draw, miraculously...I thought they had won when Sora did Final form......too bad we have Keysmith Equipment! Magnetically equipped wristbands that extract 4 parallel identical fake Keyblades that electronically predict where a weapon will strike next, and defends the opening in a split second. *Snoooo-*....*!!!* I'm sorry, I was asleep, what did you ask me?!

Well I guess that brings us a conclusion: Our theories suck at the moment... :lol: In order to find out who IS part of the new organization, however, we must remember key aspects and apply them accordingly to future details of KHIII and KHX from Nomura. A: They must have Darkness. A lot of it. B: They have Yellow(gold) eyes. C: The Black Coat (although not always worn for evil intentions) supports who exactly is a member. D: The only way for them to 'be' a member, they must be recruited by Young Xehanort or by Master Xehanort, depending on the situation of the recruitment. E: .....Master Xehanort in a WHOLE, is devious; and his plans can change at ANY time at this point. This specific fact can throw us over our heads right when we think we know what he is up to. It's almost as if Nomura WANTS us to speculate this hard.

Well like I said, I am wrong most likely. But it makes you think a bit... The time factor when they did get seeded by Xehanort and their own heart's age probably just can't be quite enough to explain the seating order entirely it seems...We undeniably need more information about this new organization. Just going by informational facts isn't enough. It sorta gets me guessing what Xehanort exactly plans to do in the next game...besides spark war...Jeez...if only X(Chi) can give us a couple more answers...I would LOVE to know who it was that talked to the foretellers in that Black Coat...

Well I guess a speculative theory shows itself that it's not based off of "physical body" age, i'm more or less clarifying that its based off of the "Heart" age; like your own metaphysical spirit in your heart and how it's body aged with it simultaneously. The body doesn't need to be OLD or YOUNG to have the same heart, but the heart needs to originate it's age from it's own time and owner. Also the owner of the heart that MX is trying to possess NEEDS darkness to flood in their hearts. That's how he "possesses" them. #1-3 would be Xehanort and his heartless and Nobody at present. This would make perfect sense because of Xehanort's heart and mind being naturally planted in the Heartless and Nobody he cast off, not to mention the heart's age. Braig/Xigbar would be next because his own heart is less aged compared to MX. Terra's Heartless, and Xehanort's Special Nobody (as we've speculated existing would exist) would have Terra's characteristic heart and that's how he would be next in command. Isa/Siax would be next because of his heart being younger than Terra's. 8-11 would follow suit, and would therefore be younger than Isa/Siax and then 8 would be older than 9, and so on and so forth. #12 would be Young Xehanort; not based off of his present incarnation's age, rather, but based on the time his heart was reawakened to the version of him waiting, it's like when you time travel, your heart would just reset it's age to the time your selected body has aged, and because leaving your body behind to make time travel possible your will would still be passed on, but your heart resets to that specific moment causing all of your "future data" to restore itself to the time your body had that heart. This makes total sense as the body that waited for the heart is just about a little older than Sora's, and how he exists to be the second youngest member in the new organization. #13 That's where Sora's possible defection to the organization would be somewhat apparent to us. Sora's heart is aged 15 in KHII so that would make him a definable candidate, as well as Roxas, and Riku because of their current heart's age as well. So if they failed trying to possess them, then who would be close enough to be a candidate at this point? ''''' VANITAS... Why? Because it looks like he was indeed Norted all the way back in BbS, and his origin became intimately from the pure darkness in Ventus's heart. His appearance as Sora justifies as a side effect of his heart connected to Ven's, but to some unknown circumstance Xehanort formed him without a body anyway, and Ven (according to appearance) was probably just about Sora's age as we know him now: age 15 going on 16. Now...honestly, Age is a pretty poor excuse to speculate the identity of the new organization members, as it isn't truly reliable, but just by looking at all who are currently confirmed to be part of the team...age of the heart seems to compliment the "Organized" nature of The Real Organization XIII no matter how you look at it.

The seating "height" IS determined by how many missions the person has accomplished, yes. But...something just doesn't add up...the seats themselves are reserved for specific members.... .......Mmmm..... Ahh, actually you, me AND Charles could both be wrong...and Nomura is winking his eyes at us because of his slyness... Allow me to quote the KHWiki's Organization XIII page, referencing the Inner Workings page...I think you'll find what I'm thinking about interesting... Inner Workings Once fully inducted, the new members are introduced to the other members at Where Nothing Gathers, the meeting chamber of the Organization deep within their home base of the Castle That Never Was. The room contains thirteen thrones, one for each member, whose height is adjustable but depends on their respective member's success in completing missions. Despite this, Xemnas's throne always remains the highest. To his left are the odd-number ranked members while to his right are the even-numbered. Starting from Xemnas, clockwise, the members are Xaldin, Lexaeus, Saïx, Demyx, Marluxia, and Roxas, then Larxene, Luxord, Axel, Zexion, Vexen and Xigbar. After being renamed, each member is given a uniform and a rank from I to XIII. The rank is based on seniority, and although the leader of the Organization, Xemnas, is also the rank I member, the ranks are not true measures of authority within the Organization. For example, the rank IV Vexen, a founding member of the Organization, is subordinate to the rank XI Marluxia, while the rank VII Saïx acts as Xemnas's second-in-command, right before the rank II Xigbar. Their uniform, a hooded black coat, was chosen because it was something once worn by Master Xehanort, Xemnas's primary original persona, to safeguard him from the darkness between worlds while not cutting him off from it. So...what the........hell? The new organization probably doesn't follow the mission part, as their one common goal is to create Kingdom Hearts. So it can't JUST be based on completing missions. And it certainly can't be coincidental because they can change their heights...it wouldn't be "Organized" in that regard. I think and honestly believe at this point, is that the new organization is based possibly on age. Unlike Seniority, which IS based on the time of joining, AGE is totally different... Think about it. ...Xehanort is #1, and he's the oldest. Xemnas and Ansem become 2nd and 3rd in command because they are technically HIS darkness, and Xemnas may have Terra's body, but he has Xehanort's darkness from the get go, and almost seems like they would take #2 and #3 anyway BECAUSE of their direct ties to Xehanort. Braig would stay where he is because he's aged since BbS. And Terra's Heartless (assuming it traits directly to Terra) as well as Xehanort's "other Nobody" (considering the fact to have Xehanort's body) but Terra's recovering heart counters this, meaning they would stay put as well!!! Isa would say put too, because he is definitely younger than Terra in BbS. That would leave the 4 unknown individuals to speculate on. What we have to go by is that the age rule still applies...because Young Xehanort took on the form of his youth, meaning that he would be about a little bit older than Sora in this regard, which would make sense that they were trying to possess him... Huh...now THAT is making me think..! What if they were just trying to possess Sora because he looked like Vanitas in the first place? Like Charles said, Young Xehanort probably can't recruit Vanitas yet because he has no body... WHAT IF...that they were trying to drown Sora in darkness so they could make a NEW Vanitas AS Sora?! Now that would be a long shot on my part considering Xehanort was just about to PLANT his heart into Sora, but knowing Xehanort he has so many backup plans to take...if Ven were to wake up, Vanitas' will be relivable *possibly* there at THAT time, which could be a revival opportunity for Young Xehanort to grab Vanitas way back from BbS to join the ranks. Call me crazy, but I think that we found something interesting... but this is only getting more mysterious at this point... :wacko: Even I could be wrong too...

Having Terra be saved at the very last fight would feel anticlimactic and very KHII-ish considering that Riku was shed away from the total darkness he had inside him right before the fight with Xemnas. :unsure: I would like to believe that Terra could be saved about 3/4 into the game about right after you save Aqua and Ventus respectfully. It would make sense. Not to doubt you on your part but I just feel Terra being saved during the initial final fights of the game very disheartening, considering Terra never wanted any of this bull crap Xehanort put him through, and I feel he deserves to shine by fighting by Sora and Riku's side before the final clash. Even more so Riku, because he blessed him with a Keyblade. Huh.. :huh: You know, upon further consideration, Xehanort did actually just went up and pretty much took untrustworthy vessels anyway, it's almost like Xemnas was downright lying when he said that a number of the old organization members were facing a burgeoning replacement? I don't think that was the truth; it's like you said, they would've been "forced against their will". Xigbar (considering that he still has his "own plans"), Terra (We know he might come back with the help of Aqua and Ven), and Isa (especially if Lea can use the keyblade to help him somehow) all seem that they are salvageable to Sora and Co. If they (or even only Terra) defect BEFORE the fight we might be right on this theory after all. However, we are drawn to an impasse, as this could also possibly happen AFTER the fight, which would definitely set Terra, Isa, and Braig as a SoD, and this case is closed wrong on our part. So we might be losing a few members probably AFTER or BEFORE the fight...and so we're still unsure of the final list of the SoD. In other regards, the GoL could not what we expect to see as said by Nomura. Lea could one GoL after all. and Terra could be still drowned in Xehanort's heart and mind... However, I believe Terra's Heartless, and Xehanort's "Special" Nobody could co-exist with Ansem and Xemnas and we just aren't enlightened to that possible truth we are theorizing. To support this, what you said is true. Terranort has Terra's heart Incarnate, while Xehanort possessed it "intimately". When the heartless stole Terranort's heart, Terra probably did have his incarnate heart taken by a heartless, and then that heartless formed as a SoD like Ansem did. Xehanort was revealed by Nomura HIMSELF that he left something behind. When you hear the word "something" you realize that he can't be talking about a person...unless he was referring to Nobodies as they are classified as not a person, but "shells", mere walking puppets that have no fully developed heart and can't make one unless it can nurture itself. It could mean that Xehanort left his shell behind and is letting it nurture itself with his Will...! Seriously, we aren't in that much of a stretch from this... This COULD happen!

Actually he is one of the XIII. He wasn't just walking around in the room encountering Mickey and Riku, as he is able to project what seems like clones of himself. What Riku defeated was probably one of them considering that we actually see Young Xehanort himself sit on one of the seats after the fight. Either it was a clone, or he never let Riku truly beat him fully, as he just deliberately sits on one of the seats after the fact.

Well the old Organization Seats were taken by order of the time of joining. This stayed as tradition and still could be with the New Organization if we were to go by this Theory. I'm sort of drawing a blank if this was confirmed by Nomura...but it's definitely apparent considering Roxas joined last...

Well, I definitely find this theory plausible. It's so interesting, but if we stop to think about it, Terra could be saved by his friends, (assuming Ven wakes up after they find Aqua) and that could mean that Terra's spot could be open to someone else, and if we stop to think about THAT being a possibility, then who would take his place? Well if we look at how 'Terranort' was turned into a heartless, along with the creation of Xemnas, we would soon realize that Ansem looks a lot more like MX, and Xemnas looks like Terra without a haircut for about 10 years...doesn't that strike a bit odd to you? If Xehanort left something behind, what could it be? HIS actual nobody? Lets see.... Xehanort's heart was taken by a heartless which formed Ansem, but the body was Terra who made Xemnas, does that mean Terra could have a heartless that could take No. 5, and Xehanort's Special Nobody that he "left behind" could take No. 6. I found this to support a few things in this theory. It could easily open Terra to join The Guardians of Light, and if I understand right, (considering Vanitas's return when Ven wakes up) that would fill out a new list.1: Master Xehanort2: Xemnas3: Ansem4: Braig/Xigbar 5: Terra's Heartless 6: Xehanort's "left behind" Nobody 7: Siax/Isa 8-11: Unknown 12: Young Xehanort13: Vanitas I definitely think we're on to something here! :blink:

Sorry that I'm a bit late to talk about this...(about 2 years) I absolutely LOVE this theory!!! But I would like to back your theory up on this one as well as debunk a few things. It could probably been thought of before me too. *Spoiler Alert for returning viewers* Hmm..but......something else is bugging me...even more...

I believe so. Vanitas was quite a twist to the story. It sort of fits for his role since he himself was created by Xehanort. It would also make this rumor to be true because a part of Sora's heart became the darkness that pretty much separated the rest of Ventus towards his light. The end scene of BBS proves this to be true with Ventus's heart calling towards Sora, wherein created Roxas, Sora's nobody at the time of his heart being stolen. This was easily convinced due to Ventus' character design having an easy giveaway; however, when Young Xehanort explained that he would recruit followers from all reaches of time, I think he did mean he would recruit Vanitas because of his origin of creation from Master Xehanort. If so Vanitas is definitely coming back. That would mean he's one of the thirteen. This would mark down: Master.X, Young.X, Xemnas, Ansem, Terra'nort', Braig, Isa, Vanitas. Eight of the thirteen confirmed. I don't see either Larxene, Marluxia, Luxord or Demyx joining this group because for all we know their hearts had light in them too. Not even the Riku Replica because he was simply a creation that Namine created with Sora's memories. Without a doubt, Vanitas is on the Xehanort train. But that remains to be seen. It's very believable though all things considered.

*gasp* This means...No...no,no,no....THIS IS WHY KH3 IS TAKING SO LONG!!! Nomura (Xehanort and followers included) is possessed by a lost master's will!!! Hence the reason the message in the Tome of Prophecy! It speaks of the world that will be enveloped by darkness by prophets and a betrayer among them. The foreteller's betrayer is none other than... Tetsuya Nomura...he's the one of the Lost Masters of the "Great Keyblade War of the 1st Creation", whom, as the Lost Keyblade Master of Darkness that had wielded the same Keyblade that Xehanort wields today. Its one of the first. (just kidding. Although a completely new character that referenced Nomura-San in some way would be cool to imagine on a team of Xehanorts. More or less, this theory is dumb and plothole infested.)

She said "I’d be happy if you enjoy the music that links to KHIII." What...? Wait...does she mean a selection of these songs will be present in Kingdom Hearts III or is there a hidden song she put in this box that relates to KHIII? Lol I read that and got confused.