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    True. I just wish I had caught it. As soon as they showed the separate scenes of AX taking everyone's hearts and the people waking up, I was hoping they would bridge the gap more formally.
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    Hmmmm...it would be kinda lame if he just threw in the "oh yeah, bee-tee-dubs guys, some of those random heartless you beat on in KH were the heartless of some of the more important characters in the series." But I can understand if that is the case. It was what I was assuming, but I was hoping he could make it more detailed (like perhaps Marluxia's heartless was the darkside at Destiny Islands or something like that)
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    I think there's a very real possibility that it's both: "The past shall be reawakened as a new number in never-before-seen detail."- Remakes of the first 2 AND "Prepare yourself for the awakening of the next number"- KHIII Did I just blow your mind?
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    Yeah, I get that, but I thought both parts had to be defeated/recovered for them to be restored? (at least, that was the explanation given by Yen Sid as to how MX came back)
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    ...or just completely brainfarting here, but how did the members of the organization come back? I know their nobodies were defeated, but is it explained when their heartless are defeated/how they are restored? I really hope I'm not missing this....considering how many times I've played through all of the games, lol.
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    Anyway, moving on since we've now beaten this to death....let's get back to the original topic. If your theory is correct, and being defeated/being a traitor doesn't eliminate one from being a vessel, then we're left with some very interesting options: 1) Any of the original 12 organization members (that aren't Xemnas, Xigbar, or Saix) could still be vessels. 2) Terra could exist as a vessel in multiple forms (Terranort, AX). However, if he's saved and is a light, do any of these go away (I think not, but just throwing it out there). 3) Lea could still be a vessel, especially since it is extremely plausible that Xehanort's piece of heart went into Lea as he guarded Sora in Where Nothing Gathers. 4) Maleficent could be a vessel. She obviously has succumbed to the darkness, she's strong (yet weak at the same time). 5) Characters not yet introduced or explained could be vessels.
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    "But when you dont understand what ive said clearly so many times then tell ME its my fault you dont understand ,thats rude . " All you did was repeat what you had already said. You didn't change how you presented your point. "Just bc there are some who disagree doesnt make me wrong " Didn't say it made you wrong. I said it was evidence that you could be a little more concise in the presentation of your theory. "There are retcons in this story clearly . DDD retconned alot of things from previous games due to not being planned out or even written till years after the other games were released. It does leave questions. " Which is all I've been saying, man. Most of this is playing devil's advocate so that you can try to reason through them and see if you can fill them yourself (since your theory is pretty sound, although it lacks some detail).
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    "But some of the plotholes you think you are saying arent on my part . Some were due to some of the retconning DDD's plot did . Not my fault. Also if you read this whole thread there were others who agreed with me so that makes little sense to say no one else agreed. " 1) I didn't say you created the plotholes. I just said they existed and need to be explained 2) Must have missed where they agreed. However, I'm not alone in not following your line of thinking. For saying I've been rude, you sure weren't mild-mannered yourself when you assumed that I was ignoring what you were saying. I wasn't ignoring it, and I did in fact read it. I asked for clarity. That doesn't mean I can't read or am ignoring what you're saying. It means I'd like you to present your theory in a different manner.
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    Whatever man. I'm not here to get into pissing contests. I don't think I'm the only one who has trouble going through your attempts at explaining your viewpoints. I can buy into the theory that these people were implanted before (because Braig may have been implanted a looooooooooooong time ago), but there are definitely holes that need to be cleared up (as is what happens with all theories). Have a good day.
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    Honestly, it's like a combination of Harry Potter (the chosen one, Horcruxes/vessels) and Inception (dream within a dream) with Final Fantasy and Disney thrown in.
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    " This was the original plan for the first Organization XIII, when Master Xehanort had planned to place a fragment of his own heart inside each of the Nobodies, who were deceived into thinking they lacked hearts in order to ensure their loyalty to Xemnas, but their unforeseen independence, which was demonstrated mostly by Axel and Roxas, made his plan impossible to realize" This is from khwiki.net (undoubtedly the best source for this kind of info). From their talking here, they seem to think Org XIII was a test to see who would work, not an experiment to see which nobodies would work as vessels after being implanted. And I read everything you wrote. Doesn't mean you were concise in the slightest with your theories. P.S.- if they were implanted before entering the organization, then Roxas would have been implanted immediately. The others were, so there's no good explanation as to why Roxas wasn't implanted immediately.
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    "Nomura already confirmed that some in the Room Where Nothing Gathers werent from the past . Its NOT confirmed about Saix or Xigbar period.That very well could be them in that room as revived humans. Since they were successful they couldve been gathered before the others woke up. It isnt confirmed." There are two options (which is why I brought up both). If they are in Xigbar/Saix form, they have to be from the past. If they are in Braig/Isa form, then they aren't. "I already answered this. He said Roxas became to aware of himself and questioned everything . He didnt have the chance. He didnt join to a decade after the others." He did it to Sora in about 5 seconds. Your reasoning here doesn't explain why he would bother trying with a more self-aware form of Sora (the actual Sora) and not with Roxas (and he would have had time according to your logic, because he implants them before he knows much of anything about them and THEN does the trial to see if they work). There are just too many plot holes associated with your explanations. It doesn't make sense for them to have been implanted as vessels at the beginning.
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    And if Roxas failed as a vessel, why in the world would he try Sora? That would make no sense
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    By this logic, since being defeated can't stop vessels from working, the members of Org XIII in COM and KHII are still unknown as vessels. Therefore, Xehanort doesn't have to go to a backup plan since he doesn't know if he needs it or not (after all, you said he can't go forward in time and see the results, so those Org members must be brought back or something). Now that I think about what I said some more, he has to known some have failed because he tries to use Sora as one. Therefore either: 1) With some Org members, being defeated/traitors means "no vessel for you." 2) He tried them and he KNEW they failed, but kept them around (major, major, major plot hole if that is true). And I'm almost 100% positive Isa/Saix and Braig/Xigbar are from the past. They've been defeated and didn't return as humans to Radiant Garden. So either they are dragged forward in time (likely) or they are in their human forms when sitting at Where Nothing Gathers in TWTNW
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    "You are missing my point .I think they were all implanted and he was awaiting the results throughout the time we saw them in.He knew some of them eventually wouldnt turn out successful. If he knew from the beginning he wouldnt have kept them around. " Who is saying that they were known failures from the beginning? To back this up and clean up the mess we've created here, explain to me why you think they have all been tested.
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    That's why I said "of sorts."
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    But Xibar and Saix were collected from the past so that they WEREN'T destroyed and existed as active vessels. If they were failures from the beginning/had been tested and failed, then Xehanort would be seriously wasting his time.
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    "thinks will be the vessels he needs" There is nothing that suggests all were tried and failed. If they failed, why in the world would they be kept around? They would be worthless at that point. I think Org. XIII is composed of verified vessels (Xemnas, Xibgar, Saix) and individuals who are being tested as vessels (specifically Roxas).
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    Any reason for the doubt? Things needed for Xehanort's plan: 1) Keyblade graveyard 2) 13 Dark Vessels 3) 7 Guardians of Light Seems like things that will happen in KHIII
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    This. I agree with this. Therefore I don't think there's reason to assume that the other Org members were tested and failed. The organization isn't meant as an experiment. It's meant as the collection of current individuals whom MX thinks will be the vessels he needs. Speaking of which, is MX a guarantee as one of the vessels? I guess the battle between GOL and the 13 darknesses isn't really explained. If they clash, does that mean they all need to be defeated for X-Blade to be formed, or do they all just need to be present? (and if so, why can one of them wield/use X-blade while others cannot?) Oh man I love this plot so much. Makes the horcruxes from Harry Potter look like childs play.
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    This is ideally for those that have completed KH3D. Basically, I think we can make KH3D easier to understand for other people if we try to pick and choose things that need to happen/could happen in KHIII. I'll give a quick start: 1) Kairi needs to learn to use the keyblade (if she really is one of the Guardians of Light) 2) Aqua needs to return to the realm of light from the realm of darkness. 3) Terra has to get the original MX out of his heart/MX needs to use Terra as a vessell to fight against the guardians 4) Ventus has to be woken up from Castle Oblivion (after Aqua returns to the realm of light, as she is the only one who knows where he is) 5) We need some confirmation as to whether Sora is or is not ever going to be a keyblade master (if he is only that after defeating MX I will be so mad) 6) Better explanation of Xehanort's master plan, please. As for potential worlds, how about: 1) We finally get a Jungle Book world. After being passed up with every game, it's time this gets used. 2) Toy Story (not a different Pixar world). We have HD, we have epic graphics (if you've played FF XIII-2 you know this)...time for Toy Story. 3) Traverse Town and Twilight Town (so clear that these are necessary) 4) Dives into the hearts of Sora, Ventus, or other characters. Gameplay: Please mix between KH2, BBS, and 3D. I want reaction commands, command decks, command styles, and flowmotion.
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    Xigbar/Braig, Saix/Isa, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas are all options because YM went back in time to get them. He had to have known that they would work as vessels without testing them (or they went into the organization already being vessels).
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    If I'm reading this stuff off the "Destiny Islands" website correctly, the X-Blade can only be forged in the keyblade graveyard (as old Xehanort says, it is the foretold location of the final battle). Plus TAV, Mickey, and RKS are there (rumored 7 lights)... Just now catching onto this, but the final segment of that opening video seems to be a bit of foreshadowing.
  24. Road_To_Dawn
    I think this is true, but I'm not sure. I got the feeling that the failed organization members were never tested as vessels. They either betrayed the organization or were defeated before then. If they had all been tested, then we need some serious explanation as to why Axel and Roxas didn't work.
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    The message is coded nonsense from Nomura that seems to either be hinting at an HD remake of previous games (something heavily rumored about a year ago) or just hinting at KHIII (which would be weird, since we all know that is coming next)
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