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"sigh" since you want evidence I suppose I better . . . . Secret Ending "The Light lost in darkness leads to the last Key." This confirms Aqua and Ventus. Yen Sid : "For us to evade a Keyblade War, we must ready seven lights" (No reference to them "being chosen naturally" part.) Mickey: Seven Guardians of Light- Keyblade Wielders. Me, Riku and Sora . . . then with the three still missing, that's 6 . . . The last one would be .. . " MX:"However both Sora and the last one are on our side. In other words, three lights are missing. But don't get ideas, the protectors of the light are chosen naturally. And then the seven chosen lights and the 13 darknesses will clash" "The last one is on our side", what does this mean? Is this refering to Lea who MX thought was on his side? MX seems adamant that the seven lights will show themselves irregardless of who is a vessel; the darknesses are chosen artificially through MX putting part of his heart in them. MX wants the X-blade and this cannot occur until the 7 Lights clash against the 13 darknesses therefore the lights are not pre-chosen, rather their roles occur naturally and organically. Lea's reveal as a keyblader was organic; he attacked a darkness through the goodness of his heart. Mickey thought that Light=Keyblade Wielder, Mickey was merely listing every keyblade wielder he knew. He couldn't think of a 7th one as he didn't know (or he thought of Kairi but MX said they had the last one, so possibly MX thought the last one was Lea/Isa). The secret ending implies that The Light in Darkness (Aqua) leads to the last Key (Ventus). Terra is references by MX as "becoming my vessel". MX is obviously possessing Terra making it nearly impossible to be a Light physically fighting the Norts, until he kicks MX out of the body he is currently in at which point MX's plans fall apart essentially. Now that I have re-watched the ending/secret ending your argument is even more weak. 1) Mickey was listing every keyblade wielder he knew 2) MX referred to 3 lights being under their control (Sora, Terra, and ???, possibly Lea but most likely someone we don't know about).| 3) MX says the lights are chosen naturally which means not artificially. Being artificially chosen would be what you suggest, that since Mickey listed keybladers that it is canon or how the darknesses were created. 4) MX believes that the lights will always end up facing the darknesses; him possessing Sora/Terra will not affect the inevitability of the Keyblade War or else he would possess Terra. MX wants the X-blade and this is only possible when the 13 darks fight the 7 lights. The things you post as proofs are open to interpretation and are not solid proofs, making my past points valid. I should have posted evidence earlier but I thought you would admit that your proofs are not proofs just interpretations of isolated quotes with no context.

Okay, you don't know what proof is so there's no point in this. You didn't understand my anology and still see Mickey and MX as all knowing, omniscient characters. I have used deduction to come to a PERSONAL opinion that Lea is more likely than Terra and Kairi to be a light due to his relationship with the Organisation, Roxas, and ATV. I'm just saying that we have no f***ing idea what is going to happen and having two "proofs" from sources who don't know anything is essentially the same as my proofs based on the general trends in the series, foreshadowing, and the present situation of each of the keyblade weilders of Light.

That isn't my argument. Mine is the 7 lights have never been confirmed either in game or otherwise and that using the fact that Terra does not have a body and Lea does (and the fact Lea's importance to the series has increased exponentially since CoM) makes it more likely Lea is a light than Terra being one (or at least actively fighting against the Norts in the realm of light). And yes, I'm a noob who confused methaphors and analogies. We will never agree. You have your faith in your proof, I have my faith in logical arguments not just one-off references.

Mark and John said that Jesus' life was true therefore it must be. Therefore, the Bible is 100% true. (Not to turn into religious debate but your logic is REEALLLLLLYYYY flawed and only metahphors may be able to help you realise this.)

THEY NEVER SAY THAT THESE SIX ARE THE LIGHTS! You learn to read lol Mickey is unreliable as he has consistently been stupid for the entire series. Post something else except for vague references to an MX and Mickey quote. Then we can take your accusations seriously. Things change. At the beginning of series it was said that the Keyblade chose Sora over Riku whereas we later find out its because Sora had Ventus' heart in him. And still, Lea would be placed over Kairi anyway just because he is actually a capable fighter.

Ventus might be in their possession; Castle Oblivion is still owned by the Organisation (or we can assume it is, since we don't know what happened to it (unless it was mentioned in Days, which I haven't played/know very well)). The only facts we have is that; AX was MX in Terra's body ---> He turned into heartless and nobody ---> Xemnas and ASoD were defeated ---> Xemnas/AX is Terra's body ---> AX is thought to have been revived and to be completely possessed by MX ---> Terra has no body and is therefore the least likely to be a light. His "light" is slowly being engulfed by MX's darkness but Eraqus is protecting him. Since YMX can time travel to present MX must physically exist and the vessel in which he has most of his heart in is in AX. From this, Terra seems very unlikely until MX is defeated unless he "kicks" MX out of his body. Sora has Roxas' and Ventus' heart in him---> This allowed him to use keyblade ---> If Ventus' heart returns to its body then Sora is weakened considerably ---> Sora is referenced as "the key that connects them all", not a light. He even admits that he may not be a true keyblade weilder. Master Xehanort1690, we still have no evidence to suggest that Lea isn't a light. We don't know who will be the 7 lights. Accept this, please for the love of god! Just based on current information (such as Mickey not guessing Xehanort is the same as Master Xehanort "duh", or realising that ASoD is an incarnation of Xehanort until halfway through KH, or him never mentioning ATV to Sora and co) Mickey is useless and the most unreliable source. MX saying that the lights will be chosen naturally is the evidence that points most towards Lea actually being a Light. Until KH3 there is no canon regarding who is a light.

I think its you who is in denial : p Anyone could be right. . . . if anything Lea is more of a natural Light than Sora. Lea produced a keyblade (pressumably) through his innate goodness, and his sacrifice for Sora. His being a keyblade weilder is more natural than Sora, who is only a weilder because he has Ventus' heart in him. So the natural "Lights" should actually be; 1) Riku 2) Kairi 3) Mickey 4) Ventus 5) Aqua 6) Terra 7) Lea Sora is the "Key", not a Light. I dont even know why we are arguing over this; any of us could be right. But the impossible are; Xion and Roxas. Possible; Sora, Terra, Lea, Ventus, Kairi. Confirmed essentially; Aqua, Mickey, Riku

You never know if something is symbolic or not (and if you read my first post you would see I say "probably symbolic"). It could then be extended that nothing in the secret ending actually happened (such as Aqua meeting Ansem) until its later confirmed (when they return). The part with AX is confirmed and the bit with Sora and bottle but the part where Terra and MX talk could also just be foreshadowing (there is plenty of foreshadowing when MX says he "made sure of it").In KH we have seen multiple instances of hearts communicating over vast distances/time/space such as Ventus and Sora in BBS (even though Ventus' heart was cut in two), Roxas and Kairi in KHII (even though Roxas was in a data world), time travelling etc, so Ventus' dreaming heart could easily and theoretically communicate with Terra's heart wherever it may be. Sora is the key that connects everyone so you never know, and my post was referencing something even more obscure about Ventus needing to meet Terra first which is not proven (he could be waiting for Aqua or Sora instead).

None. I'm saving up for Diablo III then I'll restart my internet.

Until KH3D, we didn't know to what extent ASoD and Xemnas were being controlled by MX; they seemed to be acting towards different goals but now we know how unified they were and how awesome MX's plan really was .

I meant the 9 minutes secret ending where Aqua asks "what is his name?" to Ansem the Wise. Near the end of every one saying "Sora" it shows Ventus sitting on a chair and Terra walks up to him and then they both say "Sora". I know it's probably symbolic, but it could be canonical as it could be their sleeping hearts talking to each other. Aqua cries as she obviously hears everyone say "Sora" including Ventus and Terra so I think it is canon (or at least semi-canonical until proven different). I personally think that Lea and Kairi are Lights but they obviously weren't shown in intro cos it would spoil plot So "lights"= Sora Riku Kairi Mickey Aqua Ventus Lea Terra won't proactively fight the 13 darknesses in the realm of light but he will fight Xehanort from within and play some role in his eventual defeat.

At the end of BBS it shows Ventus' heart meeting Terras so they have met in a way. Lea/Kairi weren't shown at the end because obviously Nomura didn't want to spoil THE ENTIRE PLOT!!! Until it happens, the intro is just a stylised video that has some cool things happen.

I think its that you can only change things after the "present". The present is when MX is revived as obviously MX wants to be fully in control of a body. YMX cannot change time before ASoD visited him (as this would f*** things up) and he cannot change the defeat of Xemnas or else MX could not be brought back and Sora would not be the 13th vessel. Certain things need to happen in the past and time travellers can't change the present reality but can alter the future (or it seems like they are when in reality every time travel event was meant to happen including everything in KH3D and beyond). Time travelling people don't really have free will cos free-will only exists when you are limited by the passage of time. So my theory is that every action of time travelling Norts appears to have the appearance of Free-will when it affects the future but in reality all actions result in a paradox and the destruction of the universe or are meant to happen. Whatever happens is meant to happen as all actions that aren't meant to happen won't happen (as its physically impossible). For example, YMX may help to defeat MX, but this still isn't free will; he was always meant to.

Timeless River is a way of manipulating the present by changing what possible future reality the present experiences. . . this is shown by how the cornerstone appears dark not gone altogether. If it was proper time travel then the present would be changed instantly. YMX time travel isn't allowed to change history, so people can only influence the future from where history ends ("history ending" is Xehanort being revived as the defeat on Xemnas is the last important milestone that must happen). Merlin timetravel involves entering another realm of sorts that influences, but doesn't instantly change the present reality. Merlin timetravel only changes things not people or hearts as Pete doesn't remember fighting himself (or does he?) and Mickey doesn't remember meeting Sora. Timeless River is an alternative reality that can influence the present reality in some ways, not truly the past. Whereas YMX is from this reality so is bound by more rules than Timeless River experiences and can only silently go into the past or do things that does not disrupt the flow of time.

Hinted At By Series Artist The World Ends With You SequelNews by Kyle Hilliard on April 20, 2012 at 08:49 PM 2,971 Views 24 Tetsuya Nomura recently hinted at a possible sequel for The World Ends With You. Nomura is one of the artists behind The World Ends With You, and game director for Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance. Characters from The World Ends With You will be making an appearance in the upcoming 3DS Kingdom Hearts title, and Nomura discussed the cameo with magazine Nintendo Dream. Nomura said that even though character Raimu didn't have a voice in The World Ends With You, he elected to give her one in Kingdom Hearts, "out of consideration of the future of The World Ends With You series." Nomura also said with a laugh, "regarding The World Ends With You, I can't say anything at present, but there probably is something." Seems like a pretty strong hint to me. http://www.gameinfor...ies-artist.aspx

Well, if you're a dog then it would be quite cool; fighting a titan sized boss. . . and that way you wouldn't feel so bad about beating up a crazy old woman.

Well thats new . . .I always thought you used the stylus on the bottom screen to move and the analogue stick was just for QTE's lol

Foreshadowing. Thats it. -__- And also, why would he spoil the plot of KH3D in the intro? Makes absolutely no sense why anyone would think they are the 7 Lights -____-

The Keyblade isn't something which physically exists . . . I mean, it phases through time AND space (teleporting into peoples hands etc) so I believe Keyblades are just concentrated Anti-Hearts explaining how Heartless are affected by it so much. (Heart + anti-heart = explosion) So the keyblade actually weighs very little; the same weight as his wooden toy sword, since he attacks basically the same with it. . .

Why am I on this site again? (. . . trololol)

Relating to the Keyblade thing > In KhI it was implied that only those with "strong hearts" could weild keyblades and only the person with "the strongest heart" could weild the keyblade . . . and Mickey, cos he's Mickey. > In KHII Roxas originally had a data keyblade that then turned into a regular keyblade (for no apparent reason) then later he could summon Xions due to his memories being restored. Riku got his keyblade (was it from the dark realm?), Riku gave Kairi a keyblade from no where in particular . . . > In BBS you only need to perform a ritual where you touch someones keyblade to be able to weild a keyblade. . . Ventus, Aqua, Terra, MX, Eraqus, Vanitas given keyblades > In 3D Lea gets a keyblade. The only explaination I can have for this is that Axel touched Roxas' keyblade . . . and Lea is awesome. Oh, and all of the Norts would also have one just cos they have a tiny amount of MX's heart in them. Maybe all the Organisation members can be keyblade weilders since all of them were trialed as vessels?

I can't be stuffed researching how bibles are actually made, so I'll just agree with you If you have faith that the Bible is 100% accurate then thats good enough for me, but as a scientist I take no theory as 100% correct, and no-one elses truth as 100% true.

The very act of recording "truths" makes the "truths" untruthful. The Bible was written by men 2500-1800 ya approx.; fact. The Bible was translated from Hebrew or Greek (Old Testament/New Testament) into Greek (Old Testament) and Latin (for both) then eventually English; fact. There have been countless versions of the bible through time in Greek, Latin and English; fact. Was none of the translators ever tempted by, say, the devil to mis-translate? Were none of the Popes or Cardinals in the Dark Ages corrupt dictators? It is possible that the original Bible (which was penned by multiple authors across hundreds of years) could have been influenced by God's hand but not every single translator. I'm not from America so I can't be the best person to make a judgement but from what I know, it's really complicated. You can't force states where the overwhelming majority of people oppose gay marriage to make it part of their law; the process needs to be democratic. And since each state is basically a country, it should be up to the state government not the federal(?) government to decide if gay marriage should be allowed. It's like if every state legalised medical marijuana; chaos would break out in some states but some states would be unaffected altogether. It's like making marriage illegal for straight people; if 99.9% of the population were gay (and the gay people weren't loving and accepting like most are) then it would be totally fair for them to outlaw straight marriage. Besides, if homosexuality was the main sexual orientation of humanity (but we still procreated out of neccesity) then the Bible would totally support gay marriage because all the corrupt cardinals etc would change God's divine message.

I see him as a rogue-but-evil character; not MX's pawn (not a Nort) but still someone who tries to defeat Sora/Ventus. Maybe whatever is left of his essence needs to return to Vanitas' body? But from all the evidence it looks like he is gone forever. Cool if he came back, but having over twenty original chacters is enough without having to worry about the rogue-Vanitas screwing everything up. Not really . . . we have no evidence of him being possessed by MX so anything could happen. We don't really know his motivations in KHBBS except he was f***ed over by MX and was forced into a cycle of drug abuse and self mutilation.

He was thinking about the KH3D trailers . . . but the brief appearance of Vanitas could be foreshadowing to his appearance in KHIII, you never know. EDIT: A minute late, damn . . . I'll leave it anyway.