Seekers of Darkness

[Zekrofire 11]

So we all know that there are 13 Seekers of Darkness, 7 of which are unknown to us. I'm going to list the 6 we know of in no particular order, and then give my thoughts on who the other 7 are.

KNOWN:

Xehanort

Young Xehanort

Xigbar

Saix

Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

Xemnas

UNKOWN:

Vanitas. I think we all know that he is most likely going to be one as we've seen the chess piece in the E3 2015 trailer with his symbol on it.

 

Luxord. In my opinion, it would make sense that the 3rd Org. XIII member that we fought in TWTNW would be a Seeker as the other 2 are (Saix and Xigbar).

 

Marluxia. The nobody from the trailer, that's it tbh.

 

From here on out it's pure speculation.

Aqua (would probably be the 13th that Xehanort has yet to get). It would be really interesting to see the one person who we think is definitely a Guardian of Light, be evil and have Terra be the one to save her.

 

Ansem the Wise. To me he just seems really suspicious (he knows so much about everything and he disappeared), especially how he ends up with a Black Coat at the end of BBS.

 

Roxas. This one is just me wanting to see the tables turned where instead of Vanitas v Ventus, it's Roxas v Sora.

 

Xaldin. He always followed Xemnas' orders similar to Saix, Luxord and Xigbar. There isn't really a specific reason why Xehanort wouldn't consider him as becoming a Seeker.

 

Let me know what you think of my list and who you think are perfect candidates for Xehanort's 13 Darknesses!

[CinLeos2134 39]

 

So we all know that there are 13 Seekers of Darkness, 7 of which are unknown to us. I'm going to list the 6 we know of in no particular order, and then give my thoughts on who the other 7 are.

KNOWN:

Xehanort

Young Xehanort

Xigbar

Saix

Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

Xemnas

UNKOWN:

Vanitas. I think we all know that he is most likely going to be one as we've seen the chess piece in the E3 2015 trailer with his symbol on it.

 

Luxord. In my opinion, it would make sense that the 3rd Org. XIII member that we fought in TWTNW would be a Seeker as the other 2 are (Saix and Xigbar).

 

Marluxia. The nobody from the trailer, that's it tbh.

 

From here on out it's pure speculation.

Aqua (would probably be the 13th that Xehanort has yet to get). It would be really interesting to see the one person who we think is definitely a Guardian of Light, be evil and have Terra be the one to save her.

 

Ansem the Wise. To me he just seems really suspicious (he knows so much about everything and he disappeared), especially how he ends up with a Black Coat at the end of BBS.

 

Roxas. This one is just me wanting to see the tables turned where instead of Vanitas v Ventus, it's Roxas v Sora.

 

Xaldin. He always followed Xemnas' orders similar to Saix, Luxord and Xigbar. There isn't really a specific reason why Xehanort wouldn't consider him as becoming a Seeker.

 

Let me know what you think of my list and who you think are perfect candidates for Xehanort's 13 Darknesses!

 

I don't think Young Xehanort is going to be one of them. He traveled back to his origin point in time. I think all of the 13 will be time present characters who have had Xehanort take over their hearts.

[Zekrofire 11]

I don't think Young Xehanort is going to be one of them. He traveled back to his origin point in time. I think all of the 13 will be time present characters who have had Xehanort take over their hearts.

It's already confirmed that he is one. We even see him sitting in one of the 13 chairs in DDD. It's explained that all Seekers of Darkness are obtained from different points in time, how the hell do you think Xemnas and Ansem are Seekers? They're dead and gone but Young Xehanort went back in time to obtain them.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Here's who I think the other seven are/might be:

 

• Vanitas: He seems like an obvious candidate and we can see his keychain on the chess board. Plus, it's obvious that he was already a Xehanort vessel during Birth By Sleep due to the colour of his eyes.
• Luxord/Luxord's somebody (I heard there's a casino called "Dulor" or something like that): We can see a pair of dice on the chess board, which is most likely an obvious reference to Luxord. Plus, something to note, his element was/is time and he was number 10 of Organisation XIII, which is the roman numeral 'X'.
• Riku Replica: Personally, I think the Riku we see in Prankster's Paradise in Dream Drop Distance is the Riku Replica who was either saved from his death (maybe the pool of darkness at his death was Young Xehanort saving him) or was time travelled from a point in time before his death. Either way, I think Riku Replica can serve as a symbol to how Riku could have ended up if he had given up to the darkness.
• Gula A.K.A. Leopardus Foreteller: One of the chess pieces looks similar to Gula's keychain. The keychain I'm referring to is number 3 in this picture: http://s794.photobucket.com/user/ShardofTruth/media/Other%20KH%20stuff/Chess%20Pieces%20KHIII.png.html As for Gula himself, there's not much to say since at this point, we don't know that much about him... yet.
• Terra-Xehanort or Apprentice Xehanort: I think he's an obvious candidate as well. There's not much difference between the two physically. There main differences are that Apprentice Xehanort has both Terra's and Xehanort's hearts joined as one, hence the brown eyes, and that he lost his memories...uhm, supposedly. Either way, I think one of these, and I would pick Terra-Xehanort, would be a Seeker of Darkness and two chess pieces are the Guardian's head. These two pieces might symbolise Ansem SOD and his guardian or Ansem SOD and Terra-Xehanort since these are the only two who have summoned the guardian.

I don't really have any other members that I am certain or really sure of but I will give one more that could be a possibility:

 

• Demyx: This may seem surprising and I would be surprised too (heck, I doubt he'd be one of them), but I would just like to say that the number 7 chess piece in the image I mentioned earlier is really similar to Demyx's regular sitar but even more similar to the sitar "Sanctuary" in 358/2 days .

Also, can we just note that number 9 of the image looks just like Xehanort's keychain?

 

Anyway, now to mention on your choices. This is all an opinion and please do not take any offence as I mean none.

 

Ansem the Wise: I really doubt he'd be one of them. He was always known to be wise (it's in the title ). Plus, he's not really a fighter. As for the coat, while we don't know how he got one, he already had two coats ready for Riku and Mickey in Chain of Memories. Maybe he made them? (Not made them as in inventing them, cause we've seen Master Xehanort wearing one four years before the events of Birth By Sleep.

 

Roxas: Young Xehanort already stated in Dream Drop Distance that Roxas was a worthy candidate, but he grew too self aware and returned to Sora. So he's definitely not one of the 12 but it's possible he becomes the 13th (since they don't have one yet), but I personally doubt it.

 

Xaldin: We see Dilan along with Even, Aeleus, Ienzo and Lea in Radiant Garden in Dream Drop Distance and as we see in the secret ending of Re:Coded, Isa (or now maybe still known as Saix, just like Braig is still known as Xigbar), Braig only took Saix/Isa.

 

Marluxia: Xemnas may have hinted him not being a Seeker of Darkness in Dream Drop Distance. "However, through weakness of body, weakness of will or weakness of trust, most of the original members we had chosen for the Organisation were inadequate. Thus naturally, they never had a chance to attain their goal." "Weakness of trust" may refer to Marluxia's and Larxene's betrayal and intentions to take over the Organisation. (But chess piece number 10 in the image really looks like Larxene's knives)

Edited August 13, 2016 by Master Eraqus

[CinLeos2134 39]

It's already confirmed that he is one. We even see him sitting in one of the 13 chairs in DDD. It's explained that all Seekers of Darkness are obtained from different points in time, how the hell do you think Xemnas and Ansem are Seekers? They're dead and gone but Young Xehanort went back in time to obtain them.

I guess  that makes sense too, hmmm but if they all had to go back to their time how do they end up in the final battle?

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

I guess  that makes sense too, hmmm but if they all had to go back to their time how do they end up in the final battle?

They time travel again I guess.

[CinLeos2134 39]

They time travel again I guess.

I feel like that was the only wonky thing in KH3D the rules for Time Travel

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

I feel like that was the only wonky thing in KH3D the rules for Time Travel

It's definitely complicated at first, but when one breaks it down, it's not as complicated as before.

 

To time travel:

 

1. You must first leave your body behind to do it.
2. Then there must be a version of you waiting at the destination.
3. Upon arrival, you can only move forward in time. (Meaning that once you arrive at a certain point in time, you can only go forward in time, until I guess you return to your own time)
4. And you cannot rewrite the events that are destined to happen. (Meaning you can't change the future, which also means you can't change the past)

[Jingilator 922]

So we all know that there are 13 Seekers of Darkness, 7 of which are unknown to us. I'm going to list the 6 we know of in no particular order, and then give my thoughts on who the other 7 are.

KNOWN:

Xehanort

Young Xehanort

Xigbar

Saix

Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

Xemnas

UNKOWN:

Vanitas. I think we all know that he is most likely going to be one as we've seen the chess piece in the E3 2015 trailer with his symbol on it.

 

Luxord. In my opinion, it would make sense that the 3rd Org. XIII member that we fought in TWTNW would be a Seeker as the other 2 are (Saix and Xigbar).

 

Marluxia. The nobody from the trailer, that's it tbh.

 

From here on out it's pure speculation.

Aqua (would probably be the 13th that Xehanort has yet to get). It would be really interesting to see the one person who we think is definitely a Guardian of Light, be evil and have Terra be the one to save her.

 

Ansem the Wise. To me he just seems really suspicious (he knows so much about everything and he disappeared), especially how he ends up with a Black Coat at the end of BBS.

 

Roxas. This one is just me wanting to see the tables turned where instead of Vanitas v Ventus, it's Roxas v Sora.

 

Xaldin. He always followed Xemnas' orders similar to Saix, Luxord and Xigbar. There isn't really a specific reason why Xehanort wouldn't consider him as becoming a Seeker.

 

Let me know what you think of my list and who you think are perfect candidates for Xehanort's 13 Darknesses!

What, Aqua? Betray the Guardians of Light? BWAHAHAHAHAH! That's totally not happening, bro! No original KH character has spontaneously betrayed someone without buildup; besides, Aqua knows Xehanort is a huge duck from the past. Every KH character stays on their alignment once they've chosen it, even donut holes like Xehanort. Edited August 18, 2016 by lollygagger19

[Zekrofire 11]

What, Aqua? Betray the Guardians of Light? BWAHAHAHAHAH! That's totally not happening, bro! No original KH character has spontaneously betrayed someone without buildup; besides, Aqua knows Xehanort is a huge duck from the past. Every KH character stays on their alignment once they've chosen it, even donut holes like Xehanort.

That won't stop Xehanort from trying necessarily. Sora didn't want to become a vessel but Xehanort tried to make him one anyway, they don't need to be willing for it to work, Terra didn't want Xehanort to take his body. I still don't think Aqua is likely, just thought it would be interesting/cool.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Zekrofire

[Jingilator 922]

That won't stop Xehanort from trying necessarily. Sora didn't want to become a vessel but Xehanort tried to make him one anyway, they don't need to be willing for it to work, Terra didn't want Xehanort to take his body. I still don't think Aqua is likely, just thought it would be interesting/cool.

Trying to make Sora a vessel was just a mistake Xehanort made (not like he shouldn't have, even though it's true), hence why he thought Sora had "inexperience" with darkness, meaning he could've just mistaken him for Vanitas. Also, Terra was initially targeted as a vessel because A.) Xehnaort saw potential in him for some odd reason and B.) he couldn't control the Darkness in his heart at first, but eventually let Eraqus enter his heart so he can resist Xehanort.

 

As for Aqua, she knows that Xehanort is a huge dick and wouldn't join him even if he offered Ven or Terra back (mainly since she's going to figure out how to save them in 0.2). So there, my opinion has just been laid on your post.

[KeybladeMasterDeadpoolio 55]

I don't get why people keep assuming that the True Organization XIII that we will see in Kingdom Hearts 3 is going to be the same as the one in Dream Drop Distance. Master Xehanort, Braig, and Isa are the only guaranteed members while everyone else no longer exists in the present because they either died, have become someone else by that point, or can no longer time travel as stated by the rules explained in Dream Drop Distance.

[Jingilator 922]

I don't get why people keep assuming that the True Organization XIII that we will see in Kingdom Hearts 3 is going to be the same as the one in Dream Drop Distance. Master Xehanort, Braig, and Isa are the only guaranteed members while everyone else no longer exists in the present because they either died, have become someone else by that point, or can no longer time travel as stated by the rules explained in Dream Drop Distance.

Look up "True Orginization XIII" on Kingdom Hearts Wiki (not the Wikia one) and say that statement again.

Edited September 24, 2016 by lollygagger19

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

YX won't be a seeker since he has to return to his own time.

 

 

Terra, Terranort, Apprentice Xehanort, Vanitas, Luxord, Luxu and Marluxia (Marluxia has literally been confiirmed).

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

YX won't be a seeker since he has to return to his own time.

 

 

Terra, Terranort, Apprentice Xehanort, Vanitas, Luxord, Luxu and Marluxia (Marluxia has literally been confiirmed).

Young Xehnort is one of the seekers of darkness since we can see him at one point in one of the seats.

 

Also, Marluxia has not literally been confirmed.

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

Young Xehnort is one of the seekers of darkness since we can see him at one point in one of the seats.

 

Also, Marluxia has not literally been confirmed.

1.No, he needed a place to sit down, how's he gonna return home if he's fighting a war?

 

2.Yes he has..............

http://www.khinsider.com/news/Exclusive-Interview-with-Tetsuya-Nomura-on-Kingdom-Hearts-2-8-KH3-6231

 

Nomura: I want to make it so that you can tell who had come to that world by the enemies that appear there. I am thinking of the enemy types as a part of the total production this time.

The new Kingdom Hearts III trailer featured a new Nobody design with a scythe and flower petals, is this particular Nobody alluding to a certain former Organization member?

Nomura: I think that it’s easy to imagine but I do believe that it will appear in promotional materials sooner or later so please wait for that.

 

If Marluxia's nobody's shows up, he's confirmed.

Edited September 24, 2016 by Barry Bacon Allen

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

1.No, he needed a place to sit down, how's he gonna return home if he's fighting a war?

 

2.Yes he has..............

http://www.khinsider.com/news/Exclusive-Interview-with-Tetsuya-Nomura-on-Kingdom-Hearts-2-8-KH3-6231

 

Nomura: I want to make it so that you can tell who had come to that world by the enemies that appear there. I am thinking of the enemy types as a part of the total production this time.

The new Kingdom Hearts III trailer featured a new Nobody design with a scythe and flower petals, is this particular Nobody alluding to a certain former Organization member?

Nomura: I think that it’s easy to imagine but I do believe that it will appear in promotional materials sooner or later so please wait for that.

 

If Marluxia's nobody's shows up, he's confirmed.

1. The people sitting down in the seats in DDD have been confirmed to be "the real Organisation XIII" or the Seekers of Darkness. Just like Ansem SOD and Xemnas, just because he's going to take part in the war, doesn't mean he will die. Since the events cannot be written, i.e. past and future cannot be changed, Young Xehanort has nothing to worry about.
2. Just because Marluxia is confirmed to return doesn't mean he is a Seeker of Darkness. Xemnas may have alluded to him when he states in DDD, "through weakness of body, weaknes of will or weakness of trust, most of the original members of the Organisation were inadequate."

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

 

So we all know that there are 13 Seekers of Darkness, 7 of which are unknown to us. I'm going to list the 6 we know of in no particular order, and then give my thoughts on who the other 7 are.

KNOWN:

Xehanort

Young Xehanort

Xigbar

Saix

Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

Xemnas

UNKOWN:

Vanitas. I think we all know that he is most likely going to be one as we've seen the chess piece in the E3 2015 trailer with his symbol on it.

 

Luxord. In my opinion, it would make sense that the 3rd Org. XIII member that we fought in TWTNW would be a Seeker as the other 2 are (Saix and Xigbar).

 

Marluxia. The nobody from the trailer, that's it tbh.

 

From here on out it's pure speculation.

Aqua (would probably be the 13th that Xehanort has yet to get). It would be really interesting to see the one person who we think is definitely a Guardian of Light, be evil and have Terra be the one to save her.

 

Ansem the Wise. To me he just seems really suspicious (he knows so much about everything and he disappeared), especially how he ends up with a Black Coat at the end of BBS.

 

Roxas. This one is just me wanting to see the tables turned where instead of Vanitas v Ventus, it's Roxas v Sora.

 

Xaldin. He always followed Xemnas' orders similar to Saix, Luxord and Xigbar. There isn't really a specific reason why Xehanort wouldn't consider him as becoming a Seeker.

 

Let me know what you think of my list and who you think are perfect candidates for Xehanort's 13 Darknesses!

 

I firmly think Vanitas will become a darkness. I am sure Vanitas doesn't go down that easily.

 

Marluxia could very well be a darkness. He probably was used to help "separate the goats from the sheep" in Re:CoM.

 

Aqua as one won't be happening. She is in the RoD and will be saved by Sora.

 

Luxord would surprise me some, but then again, he did remain pretty loyal in body, will, and trust.

 

Ansem the Wise will probably remain in darkness since he believes his punishment fits his crimes. The black coat is protection against the darkness consuming his heart and destroying him.

 

Roxas has returned to Sora so definitely not.

 

Xaldin is human again and recovering in KH3D. I don't see him joining the thirteen. He is among the somebodies that will be helping Ienzo, Lea, and company defeat Master Xehanort.

Edited September 24, 2016 by KingdomHearts3

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

 

1. The people sitting down in the seats in DDD have been confirmed to be "the real Organisation XIII" or the Seekers of Darkness. Just like Ansem SOD and Xemnas, just because he's going to take part in the war, doesn't mean he will die. Since the events cannot be written, i.e. past and future cannot be changed, Young Xehanort has nothing to worry about.
2. Just because Marluxia is confirmed to return doesn't mean he is a Seeker of Darkness. Xemnas may have alluded to him when he states in DDD, "through weakness of body, weaknes of will or weakness of trust, most of the original members of the Organisation were inadequate."

 

You can't say something is confirmed without evidence. No quote, no proof.

 

2. That makes zero sense. Marluxia got killed in COM, so only his somebody could come back, human beings/somebodies can't command nobodies, only superior nobodies that have human appearances can command lesser nobodies.

 

Therefore, the only person commanding them could have been Marluxia obviously, how would he have come back? How would the  Marluxia who got killed in COM have returned? Time travel, Young Xehanort grabbing him and bringing him to the future/KH3 timeline.

 

Unless he got killed as a nobody in COM, his heartless got killed, so his real self came back, and then turned himself into a nobody again, which would be pointless and stupid. But it's Tetsuya Nomura here, so I wouldn't count that out.

Edited September 24, 2016 by Barry Bacon Allen

[KH4Real 749]

I think it is settled down after 3D for Roxas.

What would you think of Xion? If it happens that would be epic Xion Final Form.

She thinks nobody tried to save her. Then she will be the 13th Darkness.

[SomeKHFan 63]

1. Everyone seems to forget a certain character was confirmed to be a seeker of Darkness.

 

https://twitter.com/benjamindiskin/status/747995370525884417

 

This is of course not a joke

 

2. That makes zero sense. Marluxia got killed in COM, so only his somebody could come back, human beings/somebodies can't command nobodies, only superior nobodies that have human appearances can command lesser nobodies.

 

Therefore, the only person commanding them could have been Marluxia obviously, how would he have come back? How would the  Marluxia who got killed in COM have returned? Time travel, Young Xehanort grabbing him and bringing him to the future/KH3 timeline.

 

 

2. Technically the Organisation (even the true one) would have control of all the nobodies, which would include Marluxia's nobody subordinates. For KH3, I can even see the nobodies for all the characters appearing, even those who are no longer members of the organistaion like Axel, Vexen and Zexion. These lat two haven't had their lesser nobodies shown yet but I can see them appearing in KH3.

 

Marluxia could be a member (wait until confirmation to clarify this) but he wouldn't be the only member who is commanding some of these nobodies.

 

Has anyone also thought some of the other members (like 1 or 2) could be entirely new characters? We keep thinking Xehanort used old characters for possession but it's possible entirely new characters will be shown as vessals.

[KeybladeMasterDeadpoolio 55]

Except they were all time displaced, not just Young Xehanort. They all had to return to their own times in order to either grow up into Master Xehanort or to have their asses kicked by Sora and Riku. Heck, I don't even think the Master Xehanort we see in Dream Drop Distance is the real one because 1) he's old again and that defeats the entire purpose of trying to get a younger body so he could be strong enough to see the war to its conclusion and 2) he fades away just like his other selves which tells me that he was time displaced as well and that it was all a distraction so that the Master Xehanort, Braig, and Isa in the present could get to work gathering ten more members without interference. Without Young Xehanort to travel through time, none of the ones that we see can come back and if they do, it'll just be major cop out.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

You can't say something is confirmed without evidence. No quote, no proof.

 

2. That makes zero sense. Marluxia got killed in COM, so only his somebody could come back, human beings/somebodies can't command nobodies, only superior nobodies that have human appearances can command lesser nobodies.

 

Therefore, the only person commanding them could have been Marluxia obviously, how would he have come back? How would the  Marluxia who got killed in COM have returned? Time travel, Young Xehanort grabbing him and bringing him to the future/KH3 timeline.

 

Unless he got killed as a nobody in COM, his heartless got killed, so his real self came back, and then turned himself into a nobody again, which would be pointless and stupid. But it's Tetsuya Nomura here, so I wouldn't count that out.

1. *sigh* 

    

    

   Skip to 1:30. Young Xehanort: "The REAL Organisation XIII"

    

2. I only referred to him as Marluxia because you referred to him as Marluxia: "Terra, Terranort, Apprentice Xehanort, Vanitas, Luxord, Luxu and Marluxia (Marluxia has literally been confiirmed)."

    

   Also, yes, Marluxia has disappeared and if his respective Heartless was slain, then his complete self would have been created again. I would like to point this out:

    

   The Samurai Nobodies supposedly work under Roxas, yet we still fight them. Just because we see these Marluxia Nobodies in the KH3 trailer, doesn't mean that Marluxia is a seeker of darkness. It's likely that Xemnas simply commands them as he commands all the Nobodies, even those whose respective Nobody members were slain, such as the Snipers and Dragoons. And again, Xemnas might have been referring to Larxene and Marluxia when he states in DDD, "... through weakness of body, weakness of will or weakness of trust, most of the original members of the organisation were inadequate."

Edited September 25, 2016 by Master Eraqus

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

 

1. *sigh* 

    

    

   Skip to 1:30. Young Xehanort: "The REAL Organisation XIII"

    

2. I only referred to him as Marluxia because you referred to him as Marluxia: "Terra, Terranort, Apprentice Xehanort, Vanitas, Luxord, Luxu and Marluxia (Marluxia has literally been confiirmed)."

 

Alright man, you believe in your stuff and I'll believe in mine. It's all just a difference in opinion

 

Wait until we see the next few trailers :wink: :wink: :wink: :tongue:

[Guest]

After observing 0.2 Birth by Sleep, I've came to some interesting conclusions about the Seekers of Darkness.

 

Confirmed

Master Xehanort

Young Xehanort

Xemnas

Ansem

Braig/Xigbar

Isa/Saix

 

Potential

Terranort: foreshadowing through the 0.2 birth by Sleep opening.

Ventus-Vanitas: foreshadowing through the 0.2 birth by Sleep opening.

Replica Riku: He always wanted to be a being beyond just a Riku clone.

Xion: Xemnas may have created more than one Xion. After all, if she's treated like a Replica then she'll be cloned like one.

 

Honestly, that's all I have so far. It's hard to pinpoint which returning characters have the likeliness to be Seekers of Darkness with only so many existing characters to choose from. We don't even know Xehanort's influence in the X era so I decided not to select any of those characters.