KHUX Is There More Than One Person in a Black Coat? (Major Spoilers for KHX)

[Dagesh Lene 366]

Major Spoilers for Kingdom Hearts X [chi] and Unchained X:

 

 

With the revelations that we got in the new update for Kingdom Hearts X [chi], I have heard many people say that they think that there are two people in black coats.  I personally never thought of this.  So, I decided to see if I could find anything that backs this up.  Keep in mind that I am just doing this to see if we have gotten any hints so far.  Even if we didn't, we may still get hints toward there being two people in black coats in the future, and even if we never do, that does not mean that there aren't two people in black coats.

 

We are told that the Foretellers do not know where the Master of Masters disappeared to, and Gula and Ava seem to back this up in the new update for Kingdom Hearts X [chi].  Therefore, every time we see one or more of the Foretellers with a man in a black coat, I think it is safe to assume that he is not the Master of Masters.  Here are the times that we see one or more of the Foretellers standing with a man in a black coat:

 

1.  The Player has a dream of the Foretellers talking with a man in a black coat, a conversation that we may have heard in the Jump Festa 2016 trailer for Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue, though this is not confirmed.

2.  Ira is seen talking to a man in a black coat in the E3 2016 trailer for Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue.

3.  Ava is seen talking to a man in a black coat, who is revealed to be Luxu, the sixth apprentice, in the latest update of Kingdom Hearts X [chi].

 

However, there are also several times in which we see a man in a black coat who is not with any of the Foretellers (that we know of):

 

1.  During a series of quests in which the Player helps King Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Chip, and Dale, King Mickey says, "So, it wasn't the Star Shard that led me here.  Hmm...What exactly is going on?"  After that, the camera pans up, and we can see the feet of a man in a black coat standing on a roof.

2.  Two of the three times we see a man in a black coat during the E3 2016 trailer, there does not seem to be anyone there, but we are also getting those two scenes out of context, so maybe there is and we just don't know it.

 

Now, since the three clips in which we see a man in a black coat also have him speaking, some people have said that his voice sounds different in the third clip, when he is talking with Ira.  I personally do not think that they are different voices and that he is just speaking in a different tone.  Also, if they are two different voices, they are not that different at all.  So, if one of them is the Master of Masters and the other is Luxu, I personally think that it is strange and confusing that they have voices that are that similar.  Therefore, I think that they are the same voice, and, therefore, the same person.  However, since some people think that they are different voices, or at least that there is a possibility that they are different voices, I thought it was worth pointing that out.

 

Now that I have listed all of the times a man in a black coat has appeared, does any of it hint that there could be two people in black coats?

 

Nomura confirmed in an interview with Famitsu that the man in the black coat in the E3 2016 trailer for Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue is the Master of Masters.  So, unless there actually were two different voices in the trailer, meaning that there are two different people in black coats, I think this means that Ira is talking to the Master of Masters in the E3 2016 trailer, and if it is true that none of the Foretellers know where the Master of Masters disappeared to, that must mean that he thinks that he is talking to someone else besides the Master of Masters.  And the only other person this could be (that we know of) is Luxu, which means that Luxu must be possessed by the Master of Masters.  Also, Ira seems to be talking to the man in the black coat in the same place where Ava is talking to Luxu in the latest Kingdom Hearts X [chi] update.  So, based on that alone, I think it is safe to assume that Ira is talking to is Luxu, whether or not he is possessed by the Master of Masters.

 

However, from what we know so far, Luxu disappeared shortly after the Master of Masters, and only Ava has found out where Luxu is.  So, either this means that Ira knew where Luxu was the entire time and didn't tell anyone, or the clip we saw in the E3 2016 trailer takes place after the latest update to Kingdom Hearts X [chi].  The only other explanation I can think of is that Ira is talking to the Master of Masters and not Luxu in the trailer, but, as I said earlier, since he seems to be talking to the man in the black coat in the same place where Ava is talking to Luxu in the latest update to Kingdom Hearts X [chi], I think it is safe to say that Ira is talking to Luxu.  So, if anything, I feel like this makes me question Ira more than it makes me think that there are two people in black coats.

 

So, I personally think that the only time when we do not know for certain the identity of the man in the black coat is when we see the feet of a man in a black coat standing on a roof above King Mickey, which I personally do not think is a hint toward there being two people in black coats.  However, that is just my opinion.  Obviously, there doesn't have to be hints at there being two people in black coats in order for it to be true.  So, what do you guys think?

 

Edited July 8, 2016 by Dagesh Lene

[Dustin Newton 60]

It doesnt look like they're in the same place. This spot seems to still bein the town, whereas the the man in the trailer was over looking the town.

[LightKeyDarkBlade 72]

Just found out something very interesting.

 

The Master of Masters and Luxu have similar but different black coats. Luxu's zipper is pointy.

 

If my vision is correct and fine, Ira is talking to Luxu in the E3 2016 trailer.

 

My hypothesis is that the first two appearances of a guy in black coat in the trailer is the Master of Masters, being all serious and preferring darkness over light. He's also the one talking to the Foretellers in the dream. Luxu, on the other hand, is the type of the person which I don't know how to describe (what he does and his response while talking to Ira, and the way he sits and watches the whole place when Ava approaches him). He's following the Master with his given mission.

 

So, there are two people wearing the black coat albeit not exactly identical. As for who's the one watching King Mickey at the rooftop, I have no idea who he is.

 

EDIT:

The one watching King Mickey is Invi, judging by the robe.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Kenneth Choo

[Ventus-Skuld-Ephemera4Ever 3]

It was anguis. (because i see a screenshot and it was her.

i also found a theory with this screenshot but i can't find it anymore.)

i don't know either why she was here!

 

Isn't that creepy or something?

[Dagesh Lene 366]

The Master of Masters and Luxu have similar but different black coats. Luxu's zipper is pointy.

 

I never would have caught the zipper thing!  That definitely gives more evidence toward there being two people in black coats.  The only thing I could possibly think of to explain this is that Square-Enix just changed the design later.  However, I have no evidence to back that up.

 

My hypothesis is that the first two appearances of a guy in black coat in the trailer is the Master of Masters, being all serious and preferring darkness over light. He's also the one talking to the Foretellers in the dream. Luxu, on the other hand, is the type of the person which I don't know how to describe (what he does and his response while talking to Ira, and the way he sits and watches the whole place when Ava approaches him). He's following the Master with his given mission.

 

So, there are two people wearing the black coat albeit not exactly identical.

 

I still think that their voices are way too similar in the trailer.  Also, whereas the builds of the Foretellers all look different, the builds of the people in the black coats in the trailer (if they are different people) look exactly the same to me.  I personally just do not think that they are two different people, but I could be wrong.

 

The one watching King Mickey is Invi, judging by the robe.

 

I am completely in the dark on this one.  Could you please explain how you came to that conclusion?

 

It was anguis. (because i see a screenshot and it was her.

i also found a theory with this screenshot but i can't find it anymore.)

 

If you ever find it again, can you please tell me?  I did not know about this at all and would like to see why people think this, because I personally can't see it.

[LightKeyDarkBlade 72]

I never would have caught the zipper thing!  That definitely gives more evidence toward there being two people in black coats.  The only thing I could possibly think of to explain this is that Square-Enix just changed the design later.  However, I have no evidence to back that up.

 

 

I still think that their voices are way too similar in the trailer.  Also, whereas the builds of the Foretellers all look different, the builds of the people in the black coats in the trailer (if they are different people) look exactly the same to me.  I personally just do not think that they are two different people, but I could be wrong.

 

 

I am completely in the dark on this one.  Could you please explain how you came to that conclusion?

 

 

If you ever find it again, can you please tell me?  I did not know about this at all and would like to see why people think this, because I personally can't see it.

It's true that they do look very similar if not the same in their physical builds. But personally, their personalities and voices are way too distinct. The one speaking with Ira is so laid back and easygoing (whose zipper is pointy to me), similar to Luxu who's approached by Ava. The one speaking to himself about the world being full of light and darkness prevailing, is so different in terms of both personality and voice. It's not likely that he's pretending as another personality but I can't completely rule that out yet.

 

Nomura also confirmed that the Master of Masters is the one wearing the black coat (or one of them). It's out of the question that he's lying. He has no right to mislead or trick us fans. He could be hiding something. He did say that the Master "has a sort of unusual mood to him", but Nomura then gave an example of the Master calling the Foretellers' names his own way. I'm not sure if this means that he has a "funny" personality like Luxu.

-News about “KHx Back Cover” has been released. The Foretellers and Ephemera are in CG, and they have voices, and it's all really fresh.N: We're making [KHIII] with the same technology as [KH0.2]. I hope you can get the same feeling from the cutscenes in [KHIII], too. The master of the Foretellers, who was wearing the black coat, has a sort of unusual mood to him, like calling Ira, the Master of the Unicornis Union, “Iracchi,” and Aced, the Master of the Ursus Union, “Asedon.” (laughs)

 

 

As for the one watching King Mickey, you can refer to the thread here.

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/98437-who-do-you-think-this-is-mom-6th-apprentice-or-gula/

[Dagesh Lene 366]

It's true that they do look very similar if not the same in their physical builds. But personally, their personalities and voices are way too distinct. The one speaking with Ira is so laid back and easygoing (whose zipper is pointy to me), similar to Luxu who's approached by Ava. The one speaking to himself about the world being full of light and darkness prevailing, is so different in terms of both personality and voice. It's not likely that he's pretending as another personality but I can't completely rule that out yet.

 

To me, it looks like the man in the black coat who is talking to Ira is just stretching.  I personally don't think that is a different personality.  Also, I still personally think that their voices sound way too similar, but maybe that's just my problem.  I guess we will find out when the game comes out this winter.

 

Nomura also confirmed that the Master of Masters is the one wearing the black coat (or one of them). It's out of the question that he's lying. He has no right to mislead or trick us fans. He could be hiding something. He did say that the Master "has a sort of unusual mood to him", but Nomura then gave an example of the Master calling the Foretellers' names his own way. I'm not sure if this means that he has a "funny" personality like Luxu.

 

I never thought that Nomura was lying.  It just comes down to whether or not there is more than one person in a black coat in the trailer.  Also, since Nomura himself said that the Master of Masters "has a sort of unusual mood to him", doesn't that mean that Ira is talking to the Master of Masters, since he looks more laid back and easygoing, which is not what a Master is usually like in this series?

 

I also found this, which not only shows screenshots of two of the three clips that show a man in a black coat on the same page, implying that they are the same person, but also says at the top, "The one who holds the key to this story is the Foretellers' Master in the black coat. He seems so unusual, telling this young man who wants to save the world, 'It's useless.'":

http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/image/42915-master-of-masters/

 

So, I still personally think that there is just one person in a black coat, meaning that the Master of Masters possessed Luxu.  However, if the man in the black coat who had the different zipper is a different person, my guess is that it was just a clip from the past, before the Master of Masters and Luxu disappeared, and that the Master of Masters has now possessed Luxu, meaning that there is now just one person in a black coat.  However, those are just my thoughts.  I could be completely wrong.

 

As for the one watching King Mickey, you can refer to the thread here.

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/98437-who-do-you-think-this-is-mom-6th-apprentice-or-gula/

 

Thanks!  It looks like I was wrong.  That was not a man in a black coat.  That was Invi (or at least I agree that it looks the most like Invi).  So, now the question is, "Why was she there?"  If I had to take a guess, either she just happened to be there at that time, or, since the camera pan seemed to imply that she had something to do with King Mickey being there, maybe she was hoping that King Mickey could help prevent the end of the world, so she used her copy of the Book of Prophecies to bring him there or something like that.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Dagesh Lene