The 13th Kenpachi 4,279 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) In KH2 Axel was essentially chasing around Sora, trying to get Roxas back. So I was thinking, In KH3 when Roxas comes back (It's going to happen), him and Lea will finally be together again. To make the Keyblade War climactic and dark, Lea should die. This will make people take the war very seriously, it is a war after all. To add, Lea should die in Roxas' arms, this will add to the tragic element of Roxas' life and create character development for him. It will also remind the player of how Xion died in Roxas' arms. Heck, Roxas could even start getting flashbacks of Xion's death. This will isolate Roxas and push him further away from the cheerful side of his former 'other half'. Roxas could then go off and focus more on himself rather than surrounding himself with other people. He'd become the opposite of Sora in a sense. He could even try to attain Kingdom Hearts from Master Xehanort in order to revive his fallen comrade. Edited July 5, 2016 by Shinobi Palace 1 Heartless Plush reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RuDoe Ry 139 Posted July 5, 2016 Let's be real. you don't actually die in Kingdom Hearts you just get reincarnated like 4 times. 13 Col.Random, FlyingEggplant, Isaix and 10 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 13th Kenpachi 4,279 Posted July 5, 2016 Let's be real. you don't actually die in Kingdom Hearts you just get reincarnated like 4 times. He should stay dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmy 458 Posted July 5, 2016 Eh, quite personally I feel it would be redundant seeing as how Axel had already died. I understand your reasoning but I feel as if there are other ways to add emotional turmoil besides character slaughter. I also don't see any reason to differentiate Roxas from Sora in terms of cheerfulness any further. In my own opinion Roxas is already quite the negative nancy. I would like to see his character developed more don't get me wrong, but I personally think there are others ways to do this than just character angst. That's just my own two cents anyways. Your reasoning has a point though. 7 Moni_22, Handsome_the_Wise, Dracozombie and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted July 5, 2016 Too much fanbase = immortality Axel/Lea has an immense fanbase, probably the favourite Organization member worldwide. 2 The 13th Kenpachi and Alicia Maddox reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heartless Plush 177 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) I agree that Axel should "die" however, I see him dying differently. I hope Roxas doesn't come back since he basically fused with Sora, but I do hope Sora resonates with Axel again to the point of emotional breakdowns. That way, when Master Xehanort possess Axel for his thirteenth vessel, which I what I personally believe will happen. When Sora has to "kill" him, he'll be broken because the Roxas in him will have just killed his best friend in some sick twisted justice of setting his heart free of Xehanort's will. Either that or Saix should kill him Edited July 5, 2016 by Heartless Plush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 5, 2016 Seriously KH fans have a serious death fetish. Needless death does not equate a better story, it's just a lazy way to get the point across. A character shouldn't die simply to build up another character, they should die to either enhance the narrative or develop their own character. Lea' s death would serve neither purpose, especially in the scenario you're presenting. Not to mention it would be extremely redundant, as well as take away from potential storylines that Lea can be involved in. They are already building towards a Lea vs Isa climax. Roxas doesn't need more tragedy to enhance his character nor to distinguish himself from Sora. He already is as far away from Sora as you could get, something even Sora himself recognizes. 15 Dracozombie, Blooming Marluxia, Handsome_the_Wise and 12 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted July 5, 2016 That's so redundant and boring. Seriously KH fans have a serious death fetish. Needless death does not equate a better story, it's just a lazy way to get the point across. A character shouldn't die simply to build up another character, they should die to either enhance the narrative or develop their own character. Lea' s death would serve neither purpose, especially in the scenario you're presenting. Not to mention it would be extremely redundant, as well as take away from potential storylines that Lea can be involved in. They are already building towards a Lea vs Isa climax. Roxas doesn't need more tragedy to enhance his character nor to distinguish himself from Sora. He already is as far away from Sora as you could get, something even Sora himself recognizes. Agree with this word for word 7 Firaga, Blooming Marluxia, Xiggy's Fish and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firaga 5,947 Posted July 5, 2016 Lea dying would make the whole point of him being a part of the "Ones That Must Be Saved" completely pointless, especially in how it relates to both Roxas and Xion. 7 HarLea Quinn, Alicia Maddox, Robbie the Wise and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Felixx 6,646 Posted July 5, 2016 Lea is awesome, why should he be dead? One of the most unique KH characters, killing him would'nt be smart. 4 HarLea Quinn, -Justin-, EchoFox23* and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 13th Kenpachi 4,279 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Lea is awesome, why should he be dead? One of the most unique KH characters, killing him would'nt be smart. Lea dying would make the whole point of him being a part of the "Ones That Must Be Saved" completely pointless, especially in how it relates to both Roxas and Xion. That's so redundant and boring. Agree with this word for word Seriously KH fans have a serious death fetish. Bad generalisation^^^ Needless death does not equate a better story, it's just a lazy way to get the point across. ^It's not needless, it builds tension and escalates things. A character shouldn't die simply to build up another character, they should die to either enhance the narrative or develop their own character. Lea' s death would serve neither purpose, especially in the scenario you're presenting. Not to mention it would be extremely redundant, as well as take away from potential storylines that Lea can be involved in. They are already building towards a Lea vs Isa climax. Roxas doesn't need more tragedy to enhance his character nor to distinguish himself from Sora. He already is as far away from Sora as you could get, something even Sora himself recognizes. LEA has no purpose after KH3, what's he gonna do after everything? He's had his character development. It's a war, people die in wars... So everyone should just survive a war? How anti climactic. How is it redundant and boring? It's more boring if he doesn't die. Edited July 5, 2016 by Shinobi Palace Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Felixx 6,646 Posted July 5, 2016 LEA has no purpose after KH3, what's he gonna do after everything? He's had his character development. It's a war, people die in wars... So everyone should just survive a war? How anti climactic.We don't know that yet, how big his role will be after KH3. Or if he even gets a role. I still don't want him to die 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted July 5, 2016 LEA has no purpose after KH3, what's he gonna do after everything? He's had his character development. It's a war, people die in wars... So everyone should just survive a war? How anti climactic. What are all the others gonna do after KH3? We don't know that. That makes no sense as a valid reason. The same logic could apply to lots of the main characters. 7 Moni_22, Movies798, Blooming Marluxia and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 13th Kenpachi 4,279 Posted July 5, 2016 What are all the others gonna do after KH3? We don't know that. That makes no sense as a valid reason. The same logic could apply to lots of the main characters. We have a good indication, Lea should die to create tension and escalate thngs. Unless people die then the idea of having a war is stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 5, 2016 LEA has no purpose after KH3, what's he gonna do after everything? He's had his character development. It's a war, people die in wars... So everyone should just survive a war? How anti climactic. People die in wars yes, but people also survive in wars as well. Three quarters of the cast don't really serve a purpose after the KHIII, should all of them die. Hell by your logic they should kill off Riku in the first seconds of the game he's had more development than anyone in the series. It just serves no purpose to senselessly kill characters for the hell of it. It's just bad writing. 7 Firaga, Handsome_the_Wise, Moni_22 and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firaga 5,947 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) We're not saying people can't die, but it has be done well. Your reasoning for making Lea die wasn't very well thought out. Death can still be cheap if its done for the sake of doing it. Besides, as stated before, death really isn't a major factor in the storyline anyway, the universe just operates on a whole different structure of metaphysical planes. Even the closest things that we can perceive as "death" in the games is mostly a metaphor for losing one's self or something or other. Edited July 5, 2016 by Firaga Sensei 3 Robbie the Wise, The 13th Kenpachi and Shimmy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 13th Kenpachi 4,279 Posted July 5, 2016 People die in wars yes, but people also survive in wars as well. Three quarters of the cast don't really serve a purpose after the KHIII, should all of them die. Hell by your logic they should kill off Riku in the first seconds of the game he's had more development than anyone in the series. It just serves no purpose to senselessly kill characters for the hell of it. It's just bad writing. I think Riku should die too lol, but not in the first few seconds. It's not senseless........................................... I explained why, you clearly read the title and jumped to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) I think Riku should die too lol, but not in the first few seconds. It's not senseless........................................... I explained why, you clearly read the title and jumped to conclusions.I obviously read the post and addressed why it's senseless in my other posts, I stand by what I said it's just bad writing. Edited July 5, 2016 by Robbie the Wise 2 HarLea Quinn and Blooming Marluxia reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted July 5, 2016 We have a good indication, Lea should die to create tension and escalate thngs. Unless people die then the idea of having a war is stupid. Actually you have no such indication of what happens after KH3. Wanting people to die just for the sake of dying is stupid. 4 Blooming Marluxia, Handsome_the_Wise, Robbie the Wise and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 13th Kenpachi 4,279 Posted July 5, 2016 Actually you have no such indication of what happens after KH3. Wanting people to die just for the sake of dying is stupid. I never said he should die for the sake of dying omg... I gave REASONS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted July 5, 2016 I never said he should die for the sake of dying omg... I gave REASONS. That's basically what you are saying though. ***people die in wars so someone HAS to die or it sucks*** So he has to die bc you feel someone has to die lol Same thing. About a character who already died = REDUNDANT 4 Blooming Marluxia, Handsome_the_Wise, KH4Real and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) I never said he should die for the sake of dying omg... I gave REASONS. In KH2 Axel was essentially chasing around Sora, trying to get Roxas back. So I was thinking, In KH3 when Roxas comes back (It's going to happen), him and Lea will finally be together again. To make the Keyblade War climactic and dark, Lea should die. This will make people take the war very seriously, it is a war after all. To add, Lea should die in Roxas' arms, this will add to the tragic element of Roxas' life and create character development for him. It will also remind the player of how Xion died in Roxas' arms. Heck, Roxas could even start getting flashbacks of Xion's death. This will isolate Roxas and push him further away from the cheerful side of his former 'other half'. Roxas could then go off and focus more on himself rather than surrounding himself with other people. He'd become the opposite of Sora in a sense. He could even try to attain Kingdom Hearts from Master Xehanort in order to revive his fallen comrade. All the reasons you listed are senseless. Death for the sake of darker tone story is unnecessary. There is plenty of well written ways to create a dark tone within the narrative, without the needless killing of your roster of characters. Again Roxas does not need Lea's death to distinguish himself from Sora nor does it really enhance his character in any way that's truly meaningful. An example of the death that actually make sense and is done in well written way: Kill off Terra. Why? Because it furthers and enhances the narrative, while completing Terra's personal character arc. Master Xehanort has been using Terra's body to cause every problem in the series thus far. How does Xehanort get stopped? By having Terra sacrifice himself to destroy Xehanort. Terra completes his character arc by making amends for his past mistakes, and saves his friends as he always wanted to do. It makes sense, it doesn't digress the plot, it completes the story arc of the character, and it brings a meaningful resolution that has actual build up to back it up. Edited July 5, 2016 by Robbie the Wise 4 Firaga, lehahiah81, Xiggy's Fish and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 5,715 Posted July 5, 2016 So you're saying if there's one thing Roxas needs, it's MORE angst. I'm inclined to disagree. If there's one thing we need more of, it's characters getting over it. 6 Handsome_the_Wise, Shimmy, Robbie the Wise and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) So you're saying if there's one thing Roxas needs, it's MORE angst. I'm inclined to disagree. If there's one thing we need more of, it's characters getting over it. Anymore angst and we'll have another Riku on our hands... That's so redundant and boring. Agree with this word for word Lea dying would make the whole point of him being a part of the "Ones That Must Be Saved" completely pointless, especially in how it relates to both Roxas and Xion. Would like but quota lol, I'll come back tomorrow. Edited July 5, 2016 by Robbie the Wise 3 Xiggy's Fish, HarLea Quinn and Firaga reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KH4Real 749 Posted July 5, 2016 This does me thinking. If Roxas comes back and Lea might probably die. He will say then this: "Goodbye Roxas, See you again. I'm glad I got to meet you." You know since it is Lea and not Axel will this trip be his first time meeting Roxas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites