Will Riku Replica Return in Kingdom Hearts III?

[Guest]

Roxas and Ventus are not cloned characters, they look alike sure, but even then there are differences in them, lets not even talk about them having different personalities, heck, they even talk differently, it'l like saying 2 twins are the same person just because they look alike...

 

That doesn't detract the possibility of a fusion. After all, after the events of Kingdom Hearts II, Roxas returns back to Sora so I could see some potential shenanigan for Roxas to join Ventus once he becomes a somebody. 

[DevilSpooky 77]

That doesn't detract the possibility of a fusion. After all, after the events of Kingdom Hearts II, Roxas returns back to Sora so I could see some potential shenanigan for Roxas to join Ventus once he becomes a somebody. 

 

That would be a waste and would be brutal for either character, they both have their own Heart, they deserve to be their own person.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

No, she was a replica of Roxas created from his memories from when he was complete, as in, when he was Sora. We find out on the game itself, from one of the secret reports from Axel:

Day 276: Behind the Truth Author: Axel Xion is gone. Roxas still doesn't know anything, but Xion found out. That's why I need to find her. We don't have hearts, so we accept the facts we're given as the truth. But something far more important lies behind that truth. Saïx would laugh at people with no hearts calling one another friends, but that doesn't make it not so. As the Nobody of the hero of the Keyblade and the Replica of that Nobody, these two are special. Unique in every sense of the word. But that doesn't change the fact that we're friends. Nothing will. Got it memorized, Xion?  

Nobody = Roxas, Hero = Sora, Replica of that Nobody = Replica of Roxas = Xion.

 

I'm positive either Saix or Xemnas outright said the same in game, that she was created as a replica of Roxas so they can manipulate a Keyblade weilder for their plan.

According to Xemnas' own secret report, as she nears completion, she begins to look like Sora to him and we see this in effect in the last scenes,

 

Day 255: Final Stages Xion's appearance should vary based on the relation of the viewer to her. Saïx sees her simply as a puppet. The Program approaches completion. Through Roxas, Xion is assembling a copy of the hero of the Keyblade. As proof, she sometimes appears to take on his form to my eyes.

 

Why would she look like Sora rather than Roxas when she's complete, before absorbing Roxas, rather than Roxas himself if she was his replica? And in fact, why would her appearance change based on the viewers connection to Sora rather than Roxas if she was Roxas' replica? Their plan was to use Roxas and Xion to create a new, complete Sora loyal to the organization that Xemnas could then use as a vessel for Xehanort. Using Roxas and a replica of Roxas would just make a stronger Roxas. And again, she was made from Sora's memories, which Roxas lacked until Namine started trying to fix them.

 

Xion holds Sora's most precious memories, which are the basis for a heart. Roxas is Sora's body. Body+Heart=complete being. 

Edited June 22, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Dagesh Lene 366]

So everyone forgot that you need to have a piece of xehanort in you to be a vessel and sense replica riku died in re chain xemnas never got to make him one he didn't know about him because vexen made him instantly after fighting riku the riku could have been a illusion or riku possesed

 

It is true that Riku Replica was destroyed before a piece of Xehanort's heart could be put in him (or so it appears), but Xehanort could still use time travel to go and get him.  It looks like we might see the return of Marluxia, who showed no signs of being a Xehanort and was destroyed in Chain of Memories, since it looks like his symbol was on a piece on the chess board in one of the Kingdom Hearts III trailers and since it looks like Nobodies that resemble him appeared in one of the Kingdom Hearts III trailers.  Also, it looks like the symbols for Luxord, Larxene, and possibly Demyx also appeared on the chess board in one of the Kingdom Hearts III trailers, and they didn't show any signs of being a Xehanort before they were destroyed either.  So, Riku Replica coming back could be a possibility still.

[DevilSpooky 77]

According to Xemnas' own secret report, as she nears completion, she begins to look like Sora to him and we see this in effect in the last scenes,

 

Day 255: Final Stages Xion's appearance should vary based on the relation of the viewer to her. Saïx sees her simply as a puppet. The Program approaches completion. Through Roxas, Xion is assembling a copy of the hero of the Keyblade. As proof, she sometimes appears to take on his form to my eyes.

 

Why would she look like Sora rather than Roxas when she's complete, before absorbing Roxas, rather than Roxas himself if she was his replica? And in fact, why would her appearance change based on the viewers connection to Sora rather than Roxas if she was Roxas' replica? Their plan was to use Roxas and Xion to create a new, complete Sora loyal to the organization that Xemnas could then use as a vessel for Xehanort. Using Roxas and a replica of Roxas would just make a stronger Roxas. And again, she was made from Sora's memories, which Roxas lacked until Namine started trying to fix them.

 

Xion holds Sora's most precious memories, which are the basis for a heart. Roxas is Sora's body. Body+Heart=complete being. 

 

Was Xemnas meant is that by absorbing Sora's memories through Roxas she's starting to look like him, nowhere does it state she's a replica of Sora instead of Roxas.

 

She looked like Sora because at that time she had almost all of his memories so she started to look like him, and remember that Roxas looks like he does because of Ven's Heart, if not for that he would look like Sora with some small differences here and there. And her appearence changes because she's full of memories, by connecting the chains of memories of Sora and whomever looks at her she'll look like someone from those memories comon with them, remember that she doesn't have a face, she's a blank slate, only after she grew a heart did her appearence as a black haired Kairi became her real appearence, because the heart dictates how the body looks. 

 

They didn't need Sora, they needed a keyblade weilder, they tried Sora and failed, then they tried Roxas, then they created a replica of him and tried to pit them both against each other to see who was stronger for their goal.

 

Anyway I don't se the point of this, the game itself outright states she's a replica of Roxas, not Sora, why discuss what she is or isn't?! And if that's not enough here it is, straight from god's mouth (Nomura);

 

- Xion is in a similar position to the Riku Replica of Chain of Memories, but unlike him, she is unaware that she was artificially created, and the path she finally chooses is completely different.

 

Nomura: The Riku Replica was modelled on Riku. With Xion, she becomes like the Kairi of Sora's memories. But rather than saying she was initially created to imitate something, it's more like she was a special case, born primarily to absorb Roxas' powers and evolve. It was intended right from the beginning of development that Xion and Roxas would eventually fight, but we had wondered about how to depict the conflict with Xion that would lead to this. At first I came up with the plot that would go like that of the Riku Replica, where Xion would insist that she was the real person and fight with Roxas. But many of the staff were of the opinion that Xion should stay as a nice girl, so when we were changing the scenario I rewrote it into its current form.

 

Xion was created with one purpose in mind, Roxas was too damaged and wasn't strong enough for what they had planed, so they created her so she could syphoned Sora's power through Roxas instead, but she became aware and let herself be destroyed by him and thus he regain everything back and return it to Sora by joining with him.

Edited June 23, 2016 by DevilSpooky

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Was Xemnas meant is that by absorbing Sora's memories through Roxas she's starting to look like him, nowhere does it state she's a replica of Sora instead of Roxas.

 

She looked like Sora because at that time she had almost all of his memories so she started to look like him, and remember that Roxas looks like he does because of Ven's Heart, if not for that he would look like Sora with some small differences here and there. And her appearence changes because she's full of memories, by connecting the chains of memories of Sora and whomever looks at her she'll look like someone from those memories comon with them, remember that she doesn't have a face, she's a blank slate, only after she grew a heart did her appearence as a black haired Kairi became her real appearence, because the heart dictates how the body looks. 

 

They didn't need Sora, they needed a keyblade weilder, they tried Sora and failed, then they tried Roxas, then they created a replica of him and tried to pit them both against each other to see who was stronger for their goal.

 

Anyway I don't se the point of this, the game itself outright states she's a replica of Roxas, not Sora, why discuss what she is or isn't?! And if that's not enough here it is, straight from god's mouth (Nomura);

 

- Xion is in a similar position to the Riku Replica of Chain of Memories, but unlike him, she is unaware that she was artificially created, and the path she finally chooses is completely different.Nomura: The Riku Replica was modelled on Riku. With Xion, she becomes like the Kairi of Sora's memories. But rather than saying she was initially created to imitate something, it's more like she was a special case, born primarily to absorb Roxas' powers and evolve. It was intended right from the beginning of development that Xion and Roxas would eventually fight, but we had wondered about how to depict the conflict with Xion that would lead to this. At first I came up with the plot that would go like that of the Riku Replica, where Xion would insist that she was the real person and fight with Roxas. But many of the staff were of the opinion that Xion should stay as a nice girl, so when we were changing the scenario I rewrote it into its current form. 

Xion was created with one purpose in mind, Roxas was too damaged and wasn't strong enough for what they had planed, so they created her so she could syphoned Sora's power through Roxas instead, but she became aware and let herself be destroyed by him and thus he regain everything back and return it to Sora by joining with him.

Xion was made from Sora's memories. The information Xemnas gathered from Sora durign their battel in hollow Bation is what was used to create her body. She is therefore Sora's replica. Though I suppose you could say that because Roxas himself is Sora's nobody, Xion is a replica of him as well, Which woudl aslo make her Ven's replica because Roxas is the nobody of both Sora and Ven, but the point is, the material used to make her was gathered from Sora, not Roxas.

[DevilSpooky 77]

Xion was made from Sora's memories. The information Xemnas gathered from Sora durign their battel in hollow Bation is what was used to create her body. She is therefore Sora's replica. Though I suppose you could say that because Roxas himself is Sora's nobody, Xion is a replica of him as well, Which woudl aslo make her Ven's replica because Roxas is the nobody of both Sora and Ven, but the point is, the material used to make her was gathered from Sora, not Roxas.

 

No, her body is that of a replica, a puppet, a blank slate, she was infused with Sora's memories sure, but she was made to replicate Roxas, not Sora, but by doing that she would be able to drawn from Sora as well because Roxas is his Nobody. A Nobody will draw from the Heart of his original self, by replicate a Nobody a Replica would be able to do the same. She's not a replica of Roxas "as well", she's a replica of Roxas, period.

 

No, Roxas is not the Nobody of Sora and Ven, he's a Nobody of Sora, he just drew from Ven's heart for his appearence because Ven's heart was inside Sora's body, nothing more.

[Way2Dawn 80]

I feel like Riku Replica isn't going to happen.  I only see him as story arc for CoM.  And I know somebody brought up Xion earlier as only being story arc for Days, but at least shes remained relevant.  Riku Replica not so much.  I feel like the Riku in the Black Coat in DDD was just a dream projection of Rikus darkness.  I never had the thought that it might possibly be Riku Replica.  In fact, it actually reminded me more of Jiminys Journal projection of itself taking the form of Riku in a Black Coat.  I just don't see Nomura rehashing Riku Replica when there has literally been no mention of him since the end of CoM.

 

It is true that Riku Replica was destroyed before a piece of Xehanort's heart could be put in him (or so it appears), but Xehanort could still use time travel to go and get him. 

 

If Riku Replica were a possibility, wouldn't it make more sense to make Vexen one of the Darknesses and then have him create a new, updated version of Riku Replica rather than using more time travel?  Kinda sounds like 2 for the price of 1 to me

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

No, her body is that of a replica, a puppet, a blank slate, she was infused with Sora's memories sure, but she was made to replicate Roxas, not Sora, but by doing that she would be able to drawn from Sora as well because Roxas is his Nobody. A Nobody will draw from the Heart of his original self, by replicate a Nobody a Replica would be able to do the same. She's not a replica of Roxas "as well", she's a replica of Roxas, period.

 

No, Roxas is not the Nobody of Sora and Ven, he's a Nobody of Sora, he just drew from Ven's heart for his appearence because Ven's heart was inside Sora's body, nothing more.

Xion was the prototype for the replica program, No. i, the first replica. Unlike Riku Replica, her body was made of memories, which is why Namine, for all her powers of memory maniplulation, could not prevent people from fogetting her should she disappear.

 

Nomura confirmed that the reason Roxas fainted upon entering Castle Oblivion becasue he was too close to both his original selves. Ven is the Nobody of two people, just like Xemnas and Namine, Xemnas being a nobody born from Terra-Xehanort, and thus the nobody of both Terra and Xehanort, and Namine being Kairi's nobody using Sora's body as a proxy, making her his nobody as well. 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Ultima Spark 753]

Only if he gets to chew Lea out over everything that happened in Castle Oblivion!

 

Xion was the prototype for the replica program, No. i, the first replica. Unlike Riku Replica, her body was made of memories, which is why Namine, for all her powers of memory maniplulation, could not prevent people from fogetting her should she disappear.

 

Nomura confirmed that the reason Roxas fainted upon entering Castle Oblivion becasue he was too close to both his original selves. Ven is the Nobody of two people, just like Xemnas and Namine, Xemnas being a nobody born from Terra-Xehanort, and thus the nobody of both Terra and Xehanort, and Namine being Kairi's nobody using Sora's body as a proxy, making her his nobody as well. 

 

Ven is the Nobody of two people

 

u wot m8

 

Roxas is Sora's Nobody—and only his—because he is literally Sora's sundered body and soul given (un)life. Ventus's dormant heart only provided his physical appearance and ability to dual-wield; his body and soul remains where it has been for a decade, in the Chamber of Waking. Naminé is a completely unique case because of the circumstances surrounding her birth and is only called a Nobody for lack of better term to describe her.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Ultima Spark

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Only if he gets to chew Lea out over everything that happened in Castle Oblivion!

 

 

Ven is the Nobody of two people

 

u wot m8

 

Roxas is Sora's Nobody—and only his—because he is literally Sora's sundered body and soul given (un)life. Ventus's dormant heart only provided his physical appearance and ability to dual-wield; his body and soul remains where it has been for a decade, in the Chamber of Waking. Naminé is a completely unique case because of the circumstances surrounding her birth and is only called a Nobody for lack of better term to describe her.

2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

Because he had gotten too close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.



 Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the
 fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Chamber of Waking. Both
 Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’s “real selves”, and when he felt 
their presence it made him faint.

 

Secret Ansem Report 10

Sora went to sleep in order to recover the memories he lost in Castle Oblivion. It would take quite some time to bring back all the memories he had created in his lifetime.

But Organization XIII held sway over Castle Oblivion.

Sora would need to be kept someplace more secure.

I persuaded Naminé to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for safekeeping.

Naminé.

As I have written here before, she is a most unusual being.

Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody.

Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.

I have arrived at a hypothesis.

I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously.

Naminé emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind give rise to a Nobody.

But what if one willingly releases one’s heart from one’s body?

Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.

Then there are Kairi and Naminé.

Kairi was exceptional for having had no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel—Sora.

The combination of these two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.

There are matters I must attend to while Sora is sleeping.

A new ally has appeared on the scene: Riku.

So yes, both Roxas and Namine are unusual Nobodies who each have two original selves. Kairi's heart may have returned to her body whereas Ven's heart stayed with Sora's body, but both Roxas and Namine where made using Sora's body and soul

Edited June 25, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Ultima Spark 753]

 

2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

Because he had gotten too close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.



 Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the
 fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Chamber of Waking. Both
 Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’s “real selves”, and when he felt 
their presence it made him faint.

 

Secret Ansem Report 10

Sora went to sleep in order to recover the memories he lost in Castle Oblivion. It would take quite some time to bring back all the memories he had created in his lifetime.

But Organization XIII held sway over Castle Oblivion.

Sora would need to be kept someplace more secure.

I persuaded Naminé to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for safekeeping.

Naminé.

As I have written here before, she is a most unusual being.

Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody.

Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.

I have arrived at a hypothesis.

I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously.

Naminé emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind give rise to a Nobody.

But what if one willingly releases one’s heart from one’s body?

Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.

Then there are Kairi and Naminé.

Kairi was exceptional for having had no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel—Sora.

The combination of these two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.

There are matters I must attend to while Sora is sleeping.

A new ally has appeared on the scene: Riku.

So yes, both Roxas and Namine are unusual Nobodies who each have two original selves. Kairi's heart may have returned to her body whereas Ven's heart stayed with Sora's body, but both Roxas and Namine where made using Sora's body and soul

 

 

What exactly are you trying to say that I haven't said?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

What exactly are you trying to say that I haven't said?

That Roxas is not just Sora's nobody alone, but Ven's as well and that Namine similarly is the Nobody of both Kairi and Sora. 

While not exactly the same, the cicumstances surrooundign the creation of Roxas and Namine are extremly similiar and thus they woudl bot have two roiginal selves. The only real differences I can spot are that Ven had darkness in his heart (assuming he regaind it after defeatign Vanitas) where Kairi did not and that Roxas still contained the one of his original selves' hearts where Namine had none.

[Ultima Spark 753]

That Roxas is not just Sora's nobody alone, but Ven's as well and that Namine similarly is the Nobody of both Kairi and Sora. 

While not exactly the same, the cicumstances surrooundign the creation of Roxas and Namine are extremly similiar and thus they woudl bot have two roiginal selves. The only real differences I can spot are that Ven had darkness in his heart (assuming he regaind it after defeatign Vanitas) where Kairi did not and that Roxas still contained the one of his original selves' hearts where Namine had none.

 

Roxas doesn't have a second "original self"! He is Sora's Nobody alone! Ven's heart isn't part of the core Nobody "equation" (body + soul) and is a unique factor in itself; any contribution the (again, dormant) heart had toward Roxas collapsing would likely be its somehow reacting to its origin point and (perhaps unconsciously) trying to get back but being unable to. And I already said Naminé is a unique case, so the rules wouldn't really apply to her either way.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Roxas doesn't have a second "original self"! He is Sora's Nobody alone! Ven's heart isn't part of the core Nobody "equation" (body + soul) and is a unique factor in itself; any contribution the (again, dormant) heart had toward Roxas collapsing would likely be its somehow reacting to its origin point and (perhaps unconsciously) trying to get back but being unable to. And I already said Naminé is a unique case, so the rules wouldn't really apply to her either way.

Like I said, Nomura said, specifically, that both Sora and Ven can be considered Roxas original self. It's right there, he used that exact wording. Roxas does have a second "original self". 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Ultima Spark 753]

Like I said, Nomira said, specifically, that both Sora and Ven can be considered Roxas original self. It's right there, he used that exact wording

 

Considering it was translated from Japanese, that wording could just as easily be a quirk of whoever translated it. I have already stated my point, and I do not feel like repeating myself.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Ultima Spark

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Considering it was translated from Japanese, that wording could just as easily be a quirk of whoever translated it. I have already stated my point, and I do not feel like repeating myself.

Still, if Namine can be Kairis' nobody, but made from Sora's body instead of hers, the same applies to Roxas and Ven. The only difference here is that Kairi's heart returned to her body while Ven's did not. Likewise, if Roxas is Sora's Nobody because he was made from Sora's body and soul, the same applies to Namine.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Ultima Spark 753]

Still, if Namine can be Kairis' nobody, but made from Sora's body instead of hers, the same applies to Roxas and Ven. The only difference here is that Kairi's heart returned to her body while Ven's did not. Likewise, if Roxas is Sora's Nobody because he was made from Sora's body and soul, the same applies to Namine.

 

I already said Naminé was a unique case! The rules don't apply to her!

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I already said Naminé was a unique case! The rules don't apply to her!

That's the point, she's not unique anymore. What would you be saying if Ven's heart had returned to his body? Which it could have if it hadn't been dormant or so far away from it's vessel. Or if Kairi's had stayed with Sora's body, meaning Namine would have had it? Which again, coudl have happened had it been dormant or too far away.They are the same, born by the same circumstances with one difference. If the rules don't apply to Namine, nor do they apply to Roxas because they are the same type of Nobody.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Ultima Spark 753]

That's the point, she's not unique anymore. What would you be saying if Ven's heart had returned to his body? Which it could have if it hadn't been dormant or so far away from it's vessel. Or if Kairi's had stayed with Sora's body, meaning Namine would have had it? Which again, coudl have happened had it been dormant or too far away.They are the same, born by the same circumstances with one difference. If the rules don't apply to Namine, nor do they apply to Roxas because they are the same type of Nobody.

 

I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.

That Roxas and Namine are exactly the same type of anomaly, created through the same means with one circumstantial difference. 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Isamu_Kuno

[Ultima Spark 753]

That Roxas and Namine are exactly the same type of anomaly, created through the same means with one circumstantial difference. 

 

But they aren't, I already explained how!

[Dagesh Lene 366]

If Riku Replica were a possibility, wouldn't it make more sense to make Vexen one of the Darknesses and then have him create a new, updated version of Riku Replica rather than using more time travel?  Kinda sounds like 2 for the price of 1 to me

 

True, but it's possible that Vexen is no longer viewed as a worthy candidate for the seekers of darkness.  After all, Young Xehanort did tell Riku in Dream Drop Distance that not of the members of Organization XIII were fit for the task.  Also, just because something makes more sense doesn't mean that is how it will happen.  I'm not saying it won't happen, because it might.  Anything is still possible at this point.  So, we will just have to wait for Kingdom Hearts III to see what happens.

 

Xion was made from Sora's memories. The information Xemnas gathered from Sora durign their battel in hollow Bation is what was used to create her body. She is therefore Sora's replica. Though I suppose you could say that because Roxas himself is Sora's nobody, Xion is a replica of him as well, Which woudl aslo make her Ven's replica because Roxas is the nobody of both Sora and Ven, but the point is, the material used to make her was gathered from Sora, not Roxas.

 

While Sora's memories did play a part in making Xion, she is still mainly a replica of Roxas.  Sora's memories are what gave her the appearance of Kairi.  Nowhere does it say that Xion is a replica of Sora, but it does say in 358/2 Days that she is a replica of Roxas.  So, unless we are told otherwise, I think it is safe to say that Xion is a replica of Roxas, but not Sora.

 

 

2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

Because he had gotten too close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.



 Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the
 fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Chamber of Waking. Both
 Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’s “real selves”, and when he felt 
their presence it made him faint.

 

Secret Ansem Report 10

Sora went to sleep in order to recover the memories he lost in Castle Oblivion. It would take quite some time to bring back all the memories he had created in his lifetime.

But Organization XIII held sway over Castle Oblivion.

Sora would need to be kept someplace more secure.

I persuaded Naminé to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for safekeeping.

Naminé.

As I have written here before, she is a most unusual being.

Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody.

Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.

I have arrived at a hypothesis.

I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously.

Naminé emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind give rise to a Nobody.

But what if one willingly releases one’s heart from one’s body?

Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.

Then there are Kairi and Naminé.

Kairi was exceptional for having had no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel—Sora.

The combination of these two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.

There are matters I must attend to while Sora is sleeping.

A new ally has appeared on the scene: Riku.

So yes, both Roxas and Namine are unusual Nobodies who each have two original selves. Kairi's heart may have returned to her body whereas Ven's heart stayed with Sora's body, but both Roxas and Namine where made using Sora's body and soul

 

The way I look at it is that while Sora and Ventus were both used to make Roxas, Roxas is still just Sora's Nobody.  I think it is just like how Ansem the Wise said in his tenth secret report that even though Sora and Kairi were both used to make Namine, Namine is still just Kairi's Nobody.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Dagesh Lene

[Jermaine 79]

It's much more likely we see Riku-Ansem guys, except without sex voice this time :sad:

[Dagesh Lene 366]

It's much more likely we see Riku-Ansem guys, except without sex voice this time :sad:

 

Spoilers for Kingdom Hearts 1, Chain of Memories, and Dream Drop Distance (if you haven't played any of those games):

 

 

I don't think we will see Riku-Ansem.  I thought that this was a possibility a while ago, but the more I thought of it, the more unlikely it seemed to me.  The reason why is because, to me, Riku-Ansem is basically what would happen if Riku did become a vessel for Master Xehanort.  In fact, since Ansem was possessing him, it is likely that he was a vessel of sorts at the time.  However, Riku resisted Ansem, and after Ansem was defeated, Riku got his body back.  Then, Chain of Memories, Ansem tried to take over Riku's body again, but Riku successfully resisted him.  Then, in Dream Drop Distance, Young Xehanort told Riku that they originally had their sights set on Riku for being a vessel for Master Xehanort, but he had grown immune to the darkness.  So, because of all of this, I don't think Riku-Ansem will be a seeker of darkness, because Riku-Ansem wasn't really his own separate character, but Riku at the beginning of his battle with the darkness, and we were already told Riku is no longer able to be a vessel for Master Xehanort.  However, I might be wrong.

 

Edited June 26, 2016 by Dagesh Lene