Comics So guess what, everyone? (Spoilers for the new Steve Rogers: Captain America)

[Axtwyt 500]

Captain America was a Hydra agent. The entire time. The entire length of Earth-616 (the main Marvel continuity), good ol' Cap was working for Hydra.

Can I say that this is the worst thing to happen in Marvel comics ever?

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

  On 5/26/2016 at 2:19 AM, Rey Starkiller said:

Can I say that this is the worst thing to happen in Marvel comics ever?

 

Spider-Man: One More Day says hello.

 

No but really this is why mainstream Western comics suck. They have to constantly try to top themselves with more and more unbelievable and ridiculous twists to desperately try not to be stale, not to mention Marvel has to find some way to compete with the success of the movies. Causing dumb controversy is a good way to get people reading.

[KHUndertaleFan25 2,858]

Saw it on Tumblr. Can say that I'm really mad at them for doing that.

[Axtwyt 500]

  On 5/26/2016 at 2:30 AM, HeyMouseSayCheese said:

Spider-Man: One More Day says hello.

One More Day was bad initially.But they recovered it from a bad move. It ended up giving us Spider-Island, Ends of the Earth, Superior Spider-Man and Spider-Verse.This is different. There is no real recovery.

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

  On 5/26/2016 at 2:35 AM, Rey Starkiller said:

One More Day was bad initially.But they recovered it from a bad move. It ended up giving us Spider-Island, Ends of the Earth, Superior Spider-Man and Spider-Verse.This is different. There is no real recovery.

 

Well you can't quite rule out that Captain Hydra won't lead to cool things too. (Besides, the odds of this Cap just being a skrull, or an LMD, or some other bullshit escape hatch is insanely high.)

Edited May 26, 2016 by HeyMouseSayCheese

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

O.O

 

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Okay...my mind has been officially blown away!  LIKE, WHAT!?  CAPTAIN AMERICA'S BEEN A HYDRA AGENT ALL ALONG!?  HOLY MOTHER OF FRICKIN NUGGETS, IF MARVEL DECIDES TO IMPLEMENT THIS INTO THE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE, THAT'D MAKE FOR ONE EPIC AND AMAZINGLY TRAGIC AND DEVILISH TWIST!  

 

I NEED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN THE MCU! (By the way, this panel you showed us is from the Civil War II story that started recently, am I right?)

[Axtwyt 500]

  On 5/26/2016 at 2:59 AM, The Transcendent Key said:

I NEED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN THE MCU! (By the way, this panel you showed us is from the Civil War II story that started recently, am I right?)

I rather it not make it there. That just destroys what Cap's done in the movies so far.It's from the new Steve Rogers: Captain America series.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Rey Starkiller

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:03 AM, Rey Starkiller said:

I rather it not make it there. That just destroys what Cap's done in the movies so far.It's from the new Steve Rogers: Captain America series.

 

Lol, yeah, I figure there's lots of people who'd hate if that would happen in the MCU, but I'd personally love it!  I'd be smirking like mad!

 

Oh, okay, but this new series ties in with the recent Civil War II story that started out recently, am I right?

[KHUndertaleFan25 2,858]

I swear, if it did get into the movies...

 

This is what I would do.

[Axtwyt 500]

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:08 AM, The Transcendent Key said:

Oh, okay, but this new series ties in with the recent Civil War II story that started out recently, am I right?

Not sure if it does. I haven't been good about keeping up with it. 

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:08 AM, KHUndertaleFan25 said:

I swear, if it did get into the movies...This is what I would do.

It sure wouldn't make any sense in the movies.

[Alicia Maddox 2,141]

WHELP! I actually heard about this already, but I was saving my opions for when the shit storm happens. And it looks like its about to break open. O.OSo, of course, I'm pissed. T.T I think, like a lot of ppl seem to do on here, that this is a cheap trick. At least I hope so, otherwise, you can just throw out the ENTIRE Captain America lore, storyline, the Avengers, everything, because this twist makes zero damn sense at all! It literally flies in the face of EVERYTHING we have seen,read, and believed of the good ol' Cap. As a Captain America fan myself, I am livid! 

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

  On 5/26/2016 at 2:59 AM, The Transcendent Key said:

O.Oo.oo.oOkay...my mind has been officially blown away! LIKE, WHAT!? CAPTAIN AMERICA'S BEEN A HYDRA AGENT ALL ALONG!? HOLY MOTHER OF FRICKIN NUGGETS, IF MARVEL DECIDES TO IMPLEMENT THIS INTO THE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE, THAT'D MAKE FOR ONE EPIC AND AMAZINGLY TRAGIC AND DEVILISH TWIST! I NEED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN THE MCU! (By the way, this panel you showed us is from the Civil War II story that started recently, am I right?)

I would burn down everything if this made it into the movies. The only way it could be the slightest bit good in my opinion if it was somehow a Cap impostor (the real Cap being tied up somewhere) for the movie. It could throw Black Widow into an emotional loop.Back to the comics, this isn't like a cannon cannon thing right? I mean, there's like 10,000 different Marvel universes so this neccesarily isn't an actual canon thing is it? More just like an AU?

[Axtwyt 500]

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:21 AM, Alicia Maddox said:

WHELP! I actually heard about this already, but I was saving my opions for when the shit storm happens. And it looks like its about to break open. O.OSo, of course, I'm pissed. T.T I think, like a lot of ppl seem to do on here, that this is a cheap trick. At least I hope so, otherwise, you can just throw out the ENTIRE Captain America lore, storyline, the Avengers, everything, because this twist makes zero damn sense at all! It literally flies in the face of EVERYTHING we have seen,read, and believed of the good ol' Cap. As a Captain America fan myself, I am livid! 

This is pretty much why I hate this new twist. Cap has always fought Hydra, the Red Skull and Baron Zemo at every turn. He's been on the front lines against Hydra for years. And somehow he's been one of their's since the beginning? It's so out of character.They can at least fix this one way. They just need to say, "Yeah, Cap's been on Hydra's side for years. But guess what? He was a double agent the entire time. He's been playing chess within the system since the beginning. He's planning something big to stop Hydra forever."Unless they do that, it's out of character and just wrong.

 

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:27 AM, Aqua7KH said:

I would burn down everything if this made it into the movies. The only way it could be the slightest bit good in my opinion if it was somehow a Cap impostor (the real Cap being tied up somewhere) for the movie. It could throw Black Widow into an emotional loop.Back to the comics, this isn't like a cannon cannon thing right? I mean, there's like 10,000 different Marvel universes so this neccesarily isn't an actual canon thing is it? More just like an AU?

Nope. This is Earth-616. The main comic continuity, that started with the Stan Lee comics in the 1960's.

[KHUndertaleFan25 2,858]

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:10 AM, Rey Starkiller said:

It sure wouldn't make any sense in the movies.

No, it wouldn't.

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:21 AM, Alicia Maddox said:

WHELP! I actually heard about this already, but I was saving my opions for when the shit storm happens. And it looks like its about to break open. O.OSo, of course, I'm pissed. T.T I think, like a lot of ppl seem to do on here, that this is a cheap trick. At least I hope so, otherwise, you can just throw out the ENTIRE Captain America lore, storyline, the Avengers, everything, because this twist makes zero damn sense at all! It literally flies in the face of EVERYTHING we have seen,read, and believed of the good ol' Cap. As a Captain America fan myself, I am livid!

Trust me, I think everyone's ticked off about this, too.

[Sendou Aichi 2,356]

Ugh, these plot twists are one of the reasons I stopped reading the comics a few years ago. They create plenty of contradictions, that the writers just ignore.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Shun Kurosaki

[Deadpool 1,200]

Why would they take a character created by two Jewish people and turn him into an in-universe nazi? That's really disrespectful.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

There's literally nothing else I can say that would sound any different from what others are saying right now. Stupidest. Firetrucking. Comic Book. Retcon. EVER. >

[sorakm 96]

meh, I'd say that's a change.

what's a problem is that with the way comics are, this is going down the irrelevant and illogical road. You just can't write a character for so long to make it take such a different path after such a long time. It's bound to not being well welcomed.

 

Again, this is at least a change.though I never really cared for our marvel boyscout.

 

comics should know when to stop too.that'll be their downfall.

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:31 AM, Rey Starkiller said:

This is pretty much why I hate this new twist. Cap has always fought Hydra, the Red Skull and Baron Zemo at every turn. He's been on the front lines against Hydra for years. And somehow he's been one of their's since the beginning? It's so out of character.They can at least fix this one way. They just need to say, "Yeah, Cap's been on Hydra's side for years. But guess what? He was a double agent the entire time. He's been playing chess within the system since the beginning. He's planning something big to stop Hydra forever."Unless they do that, it's out of character and just wrong. Nope. This is Earth-616. The main comic continuity, that started with the Stan Lee comics in the 1960's.

I wonder what Stan Lee has to say about this.

[AzureAce 544]

I'm not sorry.

 

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

This is the most disrespectful, most disgusting, most cliche, most idiotic plot twist in the history of plot twists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well.....at least we still have MCU Cap.....

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

  On 5/26/2016 at 3:27 AM, Aqua7KH said:

I would burn down everything if this made it into the movies. The only way it could be the slightest bit good in my opinion if it was somehow a Cap impostor (the real Cap being tied up somewhere) for the movie. It could throw Black Widow into an emotional loop.Back to the comics, this isn't like a cannon cannon thing right? I mean, there's like 10,000 different Marvel universes so this neccesarily isn't an actual canon thing is it? More just like an AU?

 

Well, I would love it if this happened in the movies!  It'd be an insanely twisted turn of events, and it'd definitely shock all of the Avengers!  I'm pretty sure that the audience would go crazy if this happened, though, so it may not make it into the films! X3

 

And, as Rey mentioned, this is from the 616 continuity, which is the main Marvel continuity.  So yeah, no alternate stunts, here, this is real! O.O

[Alicia Maddox 2,141]

  On 5/26/2016 at 5:30 AM, Deadpool said:

Why would they take a character created by two Jewish people and turn him into an in-universe nazi? That's really disrespectful.

 

YES! Finally, someone gets it.

  On 5/26/2016 at 4:19 PM, KeybladeLordSora said:

This is the most disrespectful, most disgusting, most cliche, most idiotic plot twist in the history of plot twists.Well.....at least we still have MCU Cap.....

I'm very afraid this might spill over into the MCU. And if that really does happen, then guys, you're looking at the newest DC fan.........

[Axtwyt 500]

Saw this and had to post this.

And also, here's this video (skip to 1:35):

Edited May 28, 2016 by Rey Starkiller

[Axtwyt 500]

I saw this on Facebook and it perfectly sums up how I feel about Hydra Cap 

I've held off on writing this for two reasons. The first is that I was so angry at first that I could only articulate it with the word f--- in creative manners and pictures of middle fingers. The second is that I kept telling myself that I shouldn't be upset because it's just a comic book character. Except... F--- THAT, and you can change the word that to you if you're going to give me s--t for being upset. It may not be important to you but it is to me and if you feel the need to belittle me for that? Yeah, f--- you.

There's this cute saying in fashion about color trends, I always go back to Josie and the Pussycats (the movie) _______ is the new black. Well right now nerd is the new black. It's hip to be square folks. Nerd is chic. That means that we don't have to hide our comic book love cause it's sexy now. Nerd is the new black so these once hidden icons belong to the world. This point will come into play again later.

I don't care if you don't like Captain America. I don't care if you're Team Stark. I don't care if you think Cap's boring. Everyone loves a bad boy in their fantasy. But see, my issues here only partly stem from fantasy. Let's start at the beginning, yeah? Captain America, the man who punched Hitler, was created by two Jewish men at a time when America WOULD NOT act in WWII. This was the dream of two men who were watching their world go down the tubes, a man who would fly in the face of government and law to do the right thing. But Hail Hydra, right? It's insulting. It's offensive. Frankly, it's god damn heartbreaking.

I almost didn't wear my jacket today, you know the red, white, and blue baseball jacket with the Cap shield prominently on the front? I almost switched out my Industrial barbell, you know the bright blue one with Cap's shield prominently in my ear? And then I had a Nick Fury moment.

Cap is important to me personally and, I think, to America in general. Because I live in a time where it's hard to be a Patriot. I live in a world where sports icons get paid to cheat and our government harms it's people. I am living in a time where one presidential candidate is actively spewing hate for a single religious group and rocketing up fear. The other candidate, if she pulls the nomination, isn't awesome either. I live in a time of dissent and I don't want it to become a time of descent. I live in a time where my government actively harms it's people and doesn't care. It is god damn hard to be patriotic. How do you keep faith in your country when the people who run it broke faith with you? How do you keep hope when you're faced with an ocean of bulls--t? I can't always... But there's this man... He'll punch Hitler in the face when the government won't move. He'll give wise speeches about immigrants. He speaks out against hate. He tells you to plant your feet. NO. YOU MOVE. And sure, this man is fiction.

This man is an icon. He is a rallying point. He is a thing that we can stand behind. He is a symbol of what America can be, and sometimes just reading those comics is enough to refresh the willpower stores so I can pick myself back up and go back to fighting for my country. No, I'm not a soldier, at least I'm not military. My battleground is politics. I sweat for what I believe and sometimes that's hard. Sometimes I just want to curl up and ignore the s---ty things people say. I want to forget that people die in this fight, that I've been physically harmed, that I have to worry about that. Sometimes I want to quit and let someone else take over. And then I read a couple comics and I take a deep breath and I get back out there. Because it's right.

Captain America wasn't about Law and Order. Captain America was about Right and Wrong. Captain America was Just and Justice.

But Hail Hydra, right?

At a time when our country is fracturing into wildly disparate polar opposites, when nerd is the new black, Marvel took our last great Hope and destroyed him. For money. And isn't that the most heartbreaking thing ever?

But Hail f---ing Hydra anyway.