Time-travel. KH has it. (spoilers)

[keystrike 145]

 

 

Isn't Riku a 5 year old then? Unless you mean time travel and even then this boss seems to have a greater connection to Xehanort who would have the incentive to fight them.

 

And Riku has no connection to Xehanort at all, huh?

 

You're saying that I am saying that Riku has no connection to Xehanort right? (internet talk is so confusing!)

 

What I am saying is that Xehanort seems to have a much more direct connection to this guy than Riku, hence the word greater. Also it seems to make more sense to go with who has the greatest connection.

 

Riku and Xehanort have one of the deepest connections in Kingdom Hearts. We don't know if Xehanort's presence has been completely eradicated from Riku.

 

I know this but thanks anyway. : )

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

Of course you know that. I was falling back on what hatok said.

[Keyblader 325]

I just noticed something. He's probably not related to Xigbar in anyway, but then again: Xigbar can control time sometimes right? I was watching a battle with MF and saw a move similar to what Xigbar used in the fight with him in KH2.

 

no in that case of your suggestion. it would point more to luxord, but this guy is to bad@$$ to be luxord,

 

That's the biggest problem with the '15th Member' theory though, the element of Time is already taken by Xigbar.

Space and Time. Thoguh really they're the same thing.

 

yeah you might say that xigbar's space abilities have some grasp of time, but he isnt the master of time in the organization, thats luxord, unless i just had a total brain fart, but im sure i didnt

[keystrike 145]

This boss might have something to do with Terra seeing future events but I am not sure how. I forgot, did nomura have an explanation of that?

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

I don't think Nomura touched on that, but good point Keystrike.

 

I have a feeling that this boss has to do with Terra and Riku's connection, or Xehanort.

 

Those two are the only options.

 

I did think about Vanitas...but nah. Thats a whole different theory that doesn't even fit with the MF story.

[Tom 437]

It's not Xehanort, Master Xehanort, or Xemnas. There's no way any of the three could suddenly have powers to stop and reverse time, glide around with fire around, turn invisible and create 5 clones and have them gangbang you to death. That isn't their style.

 

It also can't be a 15th member. Someone already has power to use time, and that's Luxord (By the way, I don't know why people are saying Xigbar has the power? He manipulates space. I have never seen him use time powers or Stop. I'm pretty sure KH: 358/2 Days showed an intro of all the Organization, and a person who has the power of time...and a British accent *wink*)

 

Replica could make sense...but no. The Organization only had Riku Replica and Xion to create. They definitly didn't have enough time to make another clone, as Sora pretty muched wiped out most of the Organization (with Riku's and Axel's help of course). Plus...who would he look like? A replica is supposed to be a clone of someone. Riku Replica = Riku, and Xion = Sora (incomplete so she can technically be almost the replica of Kairi, but she still stays as Sora). They wouldn't give him a random face and have it either watch people fight or learn time powers by himself. It's not logical to think that, nor if he was a clone of MX/Xehanort/Xemnas. If he was a clone of/one of the three, then the replica would be just like them unless it's uncomplete. Why would the clone have a different battle stance and more attacks and powers than the three? A replica is supposed to be an 100% copy of something, not a successor. A successor's job is not a replica's job. Understand?

 

It's not a Nobody either. It has many elements and attacks that a Nobody shouldn't have and/or together. It should really only have one specfic element and certain attacks due to strength, aglity, etc. Yes, other members or the Organization have used elements they shouldn't (ex. Larxene using Fire) use, but it's non-canon and I wish I could explain more, but it's complicated.

 

Only one real explanation: New character. A powerful character from the future, who time traveled. I mean, SK3 and RoxSox pretty much figured out that he has many references to time and clocks. Maybe the person has traveled backwards and even study people and learn their attacks and make him unpredictable. I know time travel is confusing and doubtful, but I think Nomura wants to put more twists to the plot, give the KH series more concept and themes rather than just hearts and souls. I mean, he IS Nomura...he would do things like this to develop the story futher and make it enjoyable without the concept being too confusing.

 

Of course, the Mysterious Figure actually being the physical body of Kingdom Hearts makes sense as well. All hearts are connected to Kingdom Hearts, right? It should be able to use familar moves to use against foes. MF used a x blast thing, which reminds me if the X-Blade, which is able to unlock KH. But time travel still must apply here due to the references to time and clocks.

 

But either way, he/she/it must of traveled back in time to stop Terra, Aqua, and/or Ventus from either completing a certain task or elminating them from existance or even just to test them. In the end, MF was defeated and it must of affected his powers and revert him/her/it to the future, or present for this case if this is true.

 

In all, I agree with SK3 and RoxSox: MF has something to do with time and whether MF was good or bad, he went to the past and fight one of the trio.

 

It may be the case of time travel. But we shall see in either Kingdom Hearts Re: Coded, Kingdom Hearts 3D, and/or a future KH game where MF makes an appearence (hopefully includes face) or makes a reference.

[EpiXauce 19]

Hmm, in some parts of the battle he walks toward you instead of running. I thought it looked like Sora's walk from KHII. A grown-up time-travelling Sora maybe? But if you listen carefully, right before the battle starts, the Mysterious Figure/Sora lets out a fierce growl. Not like a battle cry, but a growl. It sounds somewhat like a monster or something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioEGK2Sz2dM&feature=related Skip to 0:29 in that video to hear it. I know it is something small that shouldn't be taken too seriously, but I find it very interesting.

[Sigrun 1,064]

Hmm, in some parts of the battle he walks toward you instead of running. I thought it looked like Sora's walk from KHII. A grown-up time-travelling Sora maybe? But if you listen carefully, right before the battle starts, the Mysterious Figure/Sora lets out a fierce growl. Not like a battle cry, but a growl. It sounds somewhat like a monster or something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioEGK2Sz2dM&feature=related Skip to 0:29 in that video to hear it. I know it is something small that shouldn't be taken too seriously, but I find it very interesting.

 

a time traveling vampire? 0_o jk maybe well find out who it is in kh3d and watching this reminded me why i love kh in the first place.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

A new stand on this boss from me:

 

I think it could possibly be the Somebody of Terranort, or some form of his Somebody. Why is this?

 

Lets look at the facts.

 

MF can use Keyblade abilities, as well as the abilities of other Org. Members (the only person that could do this was Xemnas). That implies a big connection. MF must be able to wield a Keyblade and ETHREAL blades, who else could do this besides Xehanort?

 

Exactly why would Xehanort go back in time? To stop Terra, Aqua, and Ven from doing certain things, possibly causing the future to change.

[hatok 6,413]

 

I just noticed something. He's probably not related to Xigbar in anyway, but then again: Xigbar can control time sometimes right? I was watching a battle with MF and saw a move similar to what Xigbar used in the fight with him in KH2.

 

no in that case of your suggestion. it would point more to luxord, but this guy is to bad@$$ to be luxord,

 

That's the biggest problem with the '15th Member' theory though, the element of Time is already taken by Xigbar.

Space and Time. Thoguh really they're the same thing.

 

yeah you might say that xigbar's space abilities have some grasp of time, but he isnt the master of time in the organization, thats luxord, unless i just had a total brain fart, but im sure i didnt

 

If you want to get all scientifical, Space and Time are the same thing.

[DragonMaster 1,166]

So I have come up with a theory about what 3D will be about, based upon the observations of the Mysterious Figure:

 

 

So, since it is obvious that the Mysterious Figure in BbS is time based, and assuming that it is connected to 3D, what if in 3D time is all screwed up? In the 3 pictures and the summary of the trailer, we know that Sora and Riku will be in it. We also know that they will go to traverse town. The pictures show Sora and Riku in their KH I attire, and shows Sora fighting the Twilight Thorn in Traverse town. Now, there has to be something very weird going on. What if some how time is getting messed up and events from the pass are merging together and happening again in the present. Also, whatever is going on with time could be altering Sora and Riku so they look like they did in KH I. Now this might not answer all the questions, like why there were a whole bunch of Sora clones raining from the sky, but it does fit. This would mean that all of this could happen after KH II and coded, which would definitely advance the plot more than what Sora was dreaming about while he slept (a common theory), and would make more sense than another journey in the data world (at least with what we know at this time, going back to the data world doesn't make sense).

[spenskh89 66]

wasn't there an report that says that time is a part of the corridors or of darkness. I know something was said to that effect.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

Excellent theory Dragonmaster. I was thinking about something like that too. Maybe MF's appearance triggered some sort of time warp, and KH 3D is the effect of that warp.

 

wasn't there an report that says that time is a part of the corridors or of darkness. I know something was said to that effect.

 

Nomura said time passes by very slowly in the ROD, which is why Aqua hasn't aged in 12 years.

[keystrike 145]

May I just restate this: Kh3d takes place on the same "time axis," meaning there is not going to be alternate messed up universes; although something a bit more subtle may be possible. Maybe we will get more information at TGS about 3d.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

Well, I have just finished watching the MF intro cutscene for the 13th time, but this time, I could hear certain things, since this person wasn't playing his battle during the cutscene. The MF character emits some sort robotic, electronic sound before he fights you. This leads me to believe...that this character is some sort of replica, infused with the data of several other people, and sent back in time for a purpose.

[keystrike 145]

I wouldn't call the noise "robotic" as much as music just to freak you out the secret boss in kh1 does a similar thing also.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

Just a little something to add.

 

Crap, so many facts are switching up my theories.

But anyways...lets bring this back to Ansem the Wise. The KH encoder could have possibly blasted him back in time. Why is this?

 

Ansem the Wise: Everything was washed away in whatever currents brought me here.

Currents. Memory loss.

 

Time has different currents..and memory loss is a big side effect to time travel.

[hatok 6,413]

Just a little something to add.

 

Crap, so many facts are switching up my theories.

But anyways...lets bring this back to Ansem the Wise. The KH encoder could have possibly blasted him back in time. Why is this?

 

Ansem the Wise: Everything was washed away in whatever currents brought me here.

Currents. Memory loss.

 

Time has different currents..and memory loss is a big side effect to time travel.

 

You say that as if Time Travel is a real thing. Since we haven't yet seen Time Travel in KH, we have no idea what, if any side effects it has.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

That's why this thread is in the Speculation forum -_-

[hatok 6,413]

That's why this thread is in the Speculation forum -_-

 

Better speculation is based on facts you can back up. Just making up the Time Travel= Memory Loss thing doesn't make for a very good theory.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

I said that because I'm trying to use KH logic. And no, I have no facts to back that up because something like this never happened before. That again, is why I am speculating. I know there is a chance that this theory could be completely wrong, but that means there is a chance it can be right as well.

[keystrike 145]

Something that I thought I would point out about how time is reversed in the battle; it isn't exactly him going back in time but a mechanism that he set reversing him in time and because his weapon activates this mechanism he could possibly see what happens (?) Some of the specifics include using the time spell stop on your character so when time is reverse he appears to have gone back in time. Anyways the point is that it was a mechanism that reversed all time and not just him going back in time because that would mean there would be two of him at once... but that did happen, but that might just be copies.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

Well, it has been confirmed by Nomura that this person is wearing an Organization coat.

Not a black cloak, an ORG coat.

[Keyblader 325]

 

 

I just noticed something. He's probably not related to Xigbar in anyway, but then again: Xigbar can control time sometimes right? I was watching a battle with MF and saw a move similar to what Xigbar used in the fight with him in KH2.

 

no in that case of your suggestion. it would point more to luxord, but this guy is to bad@$$ to be luxord,

 

That's the biggest problem with the '15th Member' theory though, the element of Time is already taken by Xigbar.

Space and Time. Thoguh really they're the same thing.

 

yeah you might say that xigbar's space abilities have some grasp of time, but he isnt the master of time in the organization, thats luxord, unless i just had a total brain fart, but im sure i didnt

 

If you want to get all scientifical, Space and Time are the same thing.

 

well the game creators don't seem to think so

[keystrike 145]

Why would it even be the 15 member if it has weapons practically identical as Xemnas.