Let's Support Osaka Team!

[thatkingdomheartsguy 153]

Are you serious? BBS and DDD have been developed under limited hardware power. These issues you mentioned will never be in a console game, especially in the current gen. It's not because of the Osaka team, so I don't understand the problem. ^^

Uhhh no? What does balancing issues and bad boss design have to do with hardware power? I mean if you can explain to me how exactly that works, I might take your word for it, but I'm pretty sure that having an attack being OP as **** isn't related to the fact that the game was on a PSP.

[sneakie1 36]

i cant understand how anyone can prefer the osaka games combat over kh2.....

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

i cant understand how anyone can prefer the osaka games combat over kh2.....

Is it really that wrong to like a different combat system?

[Soul_Seeker 753]

While Osaka has disappointed me in the past, I have faith that with some of the Tokyo Team joining the project, we'll proceed to see big improvements. I think Osaka will do a good job if they listen to our feedback and try to improve. I don't like to be negative, so I'll just try to put my hopes in them.

 

Are you serious? BBS and DDD have been developed under limited hardware power. These issues you mentioned will never be in a console game, especially in the current gen. It's not because of the Osaka team, so I don't understand the problem. ^^

 

Err...I'm fairly certain bad boss design, lack of staggering, and unbalanced commands has nothing to do with hardware power. But what do I know? I'm just a programmer enthusiast, after all.

[sneakie1 36]

Is it really that wrong to like a different combat system?

it is not, i just dont understand it. for me its like i would show someone chocolate and liquorice and he would choose liquorice. 

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

The Osaka team will do a fine job with KH3. I believe they can and seeing the E3 trailer from last year and Jump Festa is proof of that. So BbS and KH3D were not everyone's cup of tea, okay fine, their problem. KH3 will be just fine and there is no need to feel like we should support because they aren't getting enough of it or worry over it or anything like that. Let Osaka do their thing and have faith they will do it correctly and to the best of their ability. Why are people obsessing over them and what they do with KH3? It's absolutely a waste of time! Why can't we all just have faith in their abilities to provide and stop thinking we need to support them by emotion or whatever or even worry about them? We support them by buying the game and loving it. That's how you support them. Worrying is a waste of time so don't even bother.

[thatkingdomheartsguy 153]

The Osaka team will do a fine job with KH3. I believe they can and seeing the E3 trailer from last year and Jump Festa is proof of that. So BbS and KH3D were not everyone's cup of tea, okay fine, their problem. KH3 will be just fine and there is no need to feel like we should support because they aren't getting enough of it or worry over it or anything like that. Let Osaka do their thing and have faith they will do it correctly and to the best of their ability. Why are people obsessing over them and what they do with KH3? It's absolutely a waste of time! Why can't we all just have faith in their abilities to provide and stop thinking we need to support them by emotion or whatever or even worry about them? We support them by buying the game and loving it. That's how you support them. Worrying is a waste of time so don't even bother.

There's some truth in this; worrying is a waste of time and we really can't do much by worrying. At the same time though, we can't exactly help them by "supporting and loving them" so they are completely oblivious to the obvious issues that are present.

 

Do not forget that Osaka team created the HD ReMixes, which were disappointments to say the least, especially for those who have played through the original games and are comparing the two. We don't want problems like this in KH3; glitches, freezes, and just overall small but vital points that were overlooked. That's why people worry.

it is not, i just dont understand it. for me its like i would show someone chocolate and liquorice and he would choose liquorice. 

nothing wrong with enjoying BBS/DDD combat system, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However on a technical design scale, the fact is that BBS/DDD battle system is badly designed. Now you can enjoy a badly designed system nonetheless, but the point still stands that it was badly designed, and that I'd imagine most people wouldn't want a badly made system for KH3.

[Hallowseve 143]

The game looks great from what they've shown off, so I'll support them. I have nothing to complain about BbS, and I have yet to play DDD. The system for KH3 seems promising so far.

[Dr. Gauntlet 5]

It has to be better than KH2FM in order to fully fulfill this saga. Are they able to accomplish that?

[clatter411 75]

Here's the thing, I am worried about the fact that the Osaka team is making this game because they certainly do have their flaws. I want to believe in them, and I sincerely hope that they prove me wrong but I have not seen anything thus far that gives me too much hope. Of the games they have done Bbs was certainly better than DDD (I have a huge list of issues with this game in particular both gameplay and story wise), but until they can show me that they are learning by not making the same mistakes they have made before, I'm not going to pretend that I fully support them.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Osaka made my favorite gameplay in the KH series (BBS and its command deck). DDD's gameplay seems floaty from what I hear, but I don't have any complaints when it comes to the team.

 

Oh yeah, Birth By Sleep is amazing!  It, along with Dream Drop Distance and Kingdom Hearts II, are my favorite entries in the series!  Yes, the command deck combat style for BBS was a great idea, and I loved forging powerful commands!  And I happen to like 3D's gameplay too, ya know, especially when it comes to attacking with Dream Eaters!

 

The Osaka team is great. I absolutely love their work. It's too bad they don't get the credit they deserve.

 

Yeah, well, when Kingdom Hearts III comes out, I'm sure the fruits of their labors will bear quite the impressive game for us to play!  But yeah, they're cool!

 

I love the Osaka team!

 

Awesomeness!

 

I'm straight with them or anybody who makes a Kingdom Hearts game. To be honest I didn't catch the flaws that other folks mention about the Osaka team. I really love the battle system from BBS and DDD. It's convenient to me.  

 

Indeed!  The battle mechanics for both games were quite fun!  I loved the Command Styles of Birth By Sleep and the Dream Eater attacks and interactivity with them in Dream Drop Distance!

 

After seeing the Jump Festa trailer last year, it's given me more hope in the Osaka Team that's for sure. KH3 looks to be improving. 

 

Peace!

 

Gahhh, don't say E3, cuz it'll remind me that we still have to wait a bit for this year's E3, and I really want to see a new trailer for KHIII!

 

I honestly don't care about the gameplays in either games in general. I honestly like the Osaka Team's work in Birth by Sleep and Dream Drop Distance. The command deck's in Birth by Sleep and Dream Drop Distance are my favorite gameplays in the Kingdom Hearts series, plus I only thing I care about is the damn story. Tetsuya Nomura better give me a good KH3 story after the "Reconnected Kingdom Hearts" build up from Birth by Sleep, Re:Coded, and Dream Drop Distance. If Kingdom Hearts 3 delivers a decent, good, and satisfying storyline than I'm all good with a crappy/floaty gameplay, sorry KH fans but that's how I'am, I rather have a good game story over gameplay anyday. I will support the Osaka Team to make a fun fast paced gameplay, HOWEVER is Tetsuya Nomura what I'm worry about. Not speaking for everyone here but Nomura you better give ME a good story to end the Xehanort Saga once and for all so I can look forward to your new Kingdom Hearts saga in the future!

 

Yeah, I agree with you, the most important aspect for me in the Kingdom Hearts series is its story, and I'm more than confident that Nomura will deliver on that front, with quite a few surprises in store!  But yeah, I'm sure that with all the years the game has been in development, Osaka has been honing their skills in refining the gameplay aspect of the game, ya know?

 

I thought the KH3 gameplay we've been given looks fantastic. I see now problem with Osaka team working on it.

 

Omg, I know!!! I love that attack Sora performed on all those aerial Heartless! (It was like kinda a Shotlock type of attack, right? )

 

The only things I hope for in KH3 that they didn't do well in BBS and DDD is avoid the following:

 

- some command that was either one of the only truly viable commands (Surge) or obsoleted every other method of combat (Balloon)

- too much superarmor on bosses (they should stagger more)

 

I don't think bosses should be easily loopable, but I don't think they should retaliate so randomly that you could never complete, say.... an Ars Arcanum. In general, I'd like if they could avoid having something be a go-to option for dealing with bosses, and actually require the player to learn the fight to do reasonably well.

 

But that's a lot to ask.

 

That said, I prefer the Command List over the Command Deck and I'm glad they seem to be sticking with that. For all its flashiness, Command Decks limit you to eight commands. Now, I'm not saying I didn't enjoy BBS or DDD, because I did, but I felt that the Command List in KH1 and KH2 at least allowed me to mix up my gameplay, and no single combat option (attacking or magic) obsoleted the others in most situations (that I can think of off-hand).

 

I'd like to see KH3 do well, but I'm not necessarily going to hold my breath.

 

Yeah, I can see what you mean here.  After all, something that is crucial to good gameplay is balancing, and a great way to bring balance is to have equal parts melee and equal parts magic, ya know?  But yeah, I'm sure Osaka team will find a way to balance out all the gameplay issues and deliver us a great combat system!  

 

But yeah, I agree, enemies should stagger more, and some attacks shouldn't be insanely overpowered! (Although Megaflare was quite awesome to dish out in Birth By Sleep, I must confess. X3)

 

Seriously this is a first for me, I've never heard any of these complaints before, nor have I ever had them myself. The combos and physics seem fine to me. This is why I don't get Smash players sometimes, they put more focus into finesse instead of just trying to have a good time. The portable games are fine, I don't get what you're all fussing over, I see no reason to be worried about this team's abilities. It'll be a good game, nay, a great game, end of story.

 

Glad to see you have such a positive outlook on the game as I do!  I'm sure KHIII will be a very awesome game!

 

Osaka did some things better than the original KH team so I'm not worried at all. I don't like copy-paste gameplay so the fact that they experimented on the handheld entries means that hopefully KH3 will have an interesting style unlike the games we have seen before.

 

Indeed.  The best thing about the KH games is that each of them doesn't exactly play the same as the one before, ya know?  There's always a mix-up of gameplay elements, either it be cards, command decks, flowmotion, shotlocks, medals, you name it!  I think that's one of the reasons why the series has been so successful, aside from the story, of course!  The fact that the gameplay is always being changed up provides for a fresh experience gameplay wise with each new entry!

 

To be honest I have always considered them to be kingdom hearts "B" team which is the only reason I'm disappointed that they are doing a numbered title and not just any, but fricken kingdom hearts 3. I don't know, it's just that the Tokyo team has always felt to me like the creative team that tests what it can do, while Osaka just does whatever Nomura tells them; "I want this op mechanic here"(looking at you dodge roll trio/ flowmotion) "I want this world to do this this and this,...do whatever you want to fill in the space" *does nothing* they should stick to the handhelds, but who knows maybe they actually learned something while doing the remixes, and this might sound weird, but I don't want to enjoy FF15's gameplay significantly more than KH3's because then for the rest of my life I'm going to wish that the teams were reversed.

 

Well, I'm sure that with the added guidance of the FFXV KH crew that'll soon be joining the Osaka team, the gameplay's gonna be polished even more, ya know?

 

I'll hold my judgement but i do not trust them with KH 3 and I know without a doubt that If the original team had been given this game then it would be better than what we'll get. I did not enjoy either games they've made as much as the numbered titles. They've put too much faith in a handheld developer and that's what worries me.

 

Well, who knows?  Osaka could surprise the doubtful!  We'll have to wait and see for what happens!

 

So I see a bunch of people here saying that they were never "aware" of the issues in BBS and DDD, so to clear some things up: these issues that people refer too usually come from the most experienced players, especially those who have played through the games several times. As such, we are far more experienced and knowledgeable of the battle system.

 

The point is that even though you are given so many commands and attack options, through a bunch of experience, people find that none of these commands are useful except for chosen few. In addition, those who has experience would most likely be playing on the most challenging difficulties, where the game seemingly even encourages you to spam one command/ability to win (for example, Mysterious Figure fight in BBS; it's unbelievably difficult/near impossible to win that fight w/o surges).

 

So obviously newbies wouldn't see this, but hopefully you can see that if an issue like that persists and arrives in KH3, it could be a serious problem, since I'd imagine many people are planning to play through KH3 multiple times when it inevitably comes out.

 

"Supporting Osaka Team" may be a nice gesture, but it won't help them resolve potential issues that can damage our KH3 experience. Having seen their work, I'm honestly not that optimistic; people are doing all they can to reduce the potential of them screwing up KH3. At this point, I don't think moral support will make much of a difference; something like a shoutout to them to make them pay attention to the issues of the handhelds are what we need.

 

Like I said: I'm not optimistic about KH3. But hey, I'm sorta a pessimist so who knows, the game might just surprise all of us. For now though, I'm keeping my hopes down, just in case I get disappointed; it won't be as big of a blow to my emotions.

 

*inb4 fanboys flame me for "hating" on KH3*

 

*I'm not hating, I just want the best for one of the most anticipated games for me ever*

 

Yeah, I see what you mean.  As a person whose played all the games numerous times before, I can see why people can be doubtful of the Osaka team because of their work in BBS and KH3D.  Enemies not staggering when they're supposed to is annoying, the floaty combos can slow the pace of combat a bit, and certain abilities can be overpowered, ya know?  But even so, I enjoyed BBS and KH3D greatly, as they are two of my favorite entries in the KH series, along with KHII!  I'm looking forward to seeing what Osaka will have in store for us with Kingdom Hearts III!

 

Are you serious? BBS and DDD have been developed under limited hardware power. These issues you mentioned will never be in a console game, especially in the current gen. It's not because of the Osaka team, so I don't understand the problem. ^^

 

Well, let's see how Osaka fares on the PS4, eh?

 

At least they're showing improvements.

 

Remember that 3 hit air combo he does in the Hercules section of the e3 trailer and now compare to the air combo he does at end of the recent trailer in Yensid's tower.That's a big improvement if i do say so myself and it's old footage too so who knows how much they've improved since then.

 

Indeed!  What we've seen isn't even the final product yet!  We're just viewing snippets of work in progress!  The final product will no doubt be something of splendor! Gahhh, I can't wait to see how the final product will look like! X_X

 

I agree! I honestly don't understand the hate for Osaka team's games. My favorite kh game made by the osaka team is DDD:)

 

Haha, awesome!  I love KH3D as well, as I do BBS! Like I've mentioned previously, they are two of my favorite entries in the KH series, alongside KHII!

 

I agree. They a are a great team, they wont screw this up. 

 

That's the attitude to have!  The Osaka team will surely deliver a great KH game for us in KHIII!

 

Glad to see some positivity about the Osaka team. At the end of the day, the original team will be collaborating with the Osaka team to finalise Kingdom Hearts III so we shouldn't be too concerned!

 

Indeed!  With the original team coming to assist Osaka, their combined efforts will form something out of this world for when Kingdom Hearts III finally comes out!

 

We're being laughed at by a speedrunner now.

 

Lol, okay?

 

Amen! I 100% agree with you! These game developers are working their behinds off while they are getting so many complaints. It just ain't fair, am I right?

 

So like you just mentioned, they have flaws. All of us do, it's just natural. And as you also said, why only look at the negatives? I believe there are so many misguided fans of game companies nowadays that forget how much time these games take to build from the foundation. We should make a list of all the great and positive things about the Osaka Team rather than a list of the negatives! >

 

Personally, I could wait for KHIII! Let them take their time, hide a bunch of info from us, and wait to announce the release date! I would rather see a nice, clean game than a rushed, sloppy one.

 

And hey, yeah, they actually worked on the Kingdom Hearts games (Unlike most of us! ). They know what they're doing.

 

The Osaka Team has MY support!

 

 

Rock on!

 

Yep, we haven't worked on games before, so we don't know how hard it is to develop a game from the ground up!  We can only speculate how things go behind the scenes, ya know?  But yeah, I'm sure that at the end of the day, the Osaka team will deliver a great and amazing game for us in Kingdom Hearts III!

 

Echoing the sentiment that I love the Osaka team! BBS is my favorite game, DDD is great as well, and tbh I was never a big fan of the combat in KH1 and KH2, so I was very glad to hear they're handling KH3. What we've seen of KH3 so far looks amazing, so I don't doubt that the team's only managed to improve on their previous successes. we shall see in the 2.8!

 

Gahhh, the hype is real!!!  I want 2.8 so badly!!! D:

 

Some people always seem to focus on the negatives of the Osaka team instead of the positives. Look, they have flaws. Everything has flaws. Just because Osaka didn't have any of the mechanics of KH1 and KH2 in the KH games they made doesn't make them horribly bad. They haven't made a KH game before BBS, and they certainly haven't made a console KH game, so of course the mechanics of the console games aren't gonna be in BBS or DDD. Osaka probably didn't know about those mechanics. Now they're working on KH3, one of the most highly anticipated games in the series, and I'm certain that they are trying their best to make it great. I have faith in them, even after knowing their flaws. And besides, the original KH team[or what's left of it]will probably come in and help them after FFXV releases. Sorry if this sounds poorly written by the way

 

Yep, I agree!  This is like a proving ground for Osaka, so they can show to the world that putting Kingdom Hearts III in their hands was no mistake!  I'm sure they're working hard and diligently to make this game, and the end product will be something truly marvelous!  With all the years this game has been in development, I've got no doubt in my mind that Osaka's been honing their skills and bettering themselves every day!

 

i cant understand how anyone can prefer the osaka games combat over kh2.....

 

Well, I understand what you mean, because heck, KHII's gameplay is godly!  But hey, people like different kinds of gameplay, ya know?  In my case, at least, I've been fine with all the combat mechanics we've been witness to throughout the KH series!

 

While Osaka has disappointed me in the past, I have faith that with some of the Tokyo Team joining the project, we'll proceed to see big improvements. I think Osaka will do a good job if they listen to our feedback and try to improve. I don't like to be negative, so I'll just try to put my hopes in them.

 

Well, we'll see what happens in the long run!  I can't wait for some new trailers at this year's E3!

 

The Osaka team will do a fine job with KH3. I believe they can and seeing the E3 trailer from last year and Jump Festa is proof of that. So BbS and KH3D were not everyone's cup of tea, okay fine, their problem. KH3 will be just fine and there is no need to feel like we should support because they aren't getting enough of it or worry over it or anything like that. Let Osaka do their thing and have faith they will do it correctly and to the best of their ability. Why are people obsessing over them and what they do with KH3? It's absolutely a waste of time! Why can't we all just have faith in their abilities to provide and stop thinking we need to support them by emotion or whatever or even worry about them? We support them by buying the game and loving it. That's how you support them. Worrying is a waste of time so don't even bother.

 

Amen to your words, brother!  I'm happy you think this way regarding this topic!  I agree with you fullheartedly, and I know Osaka will make Kingdom Hearts III an amazing game! Until we get the game, all we can do is hype up, ya know?

 

The game looks great from what they've shown off, so I'll support them. I have nothing to complain about BbS, and I have yet to play DDD. The system for KH3 seems promising so far.

 

Indeed, the game does look promising so far, especially given all the different combat styles we'll be experimenting with in the game, such as Flowmotion, Free Run, Attraction Flow, plus the traditional style of combat!

 

Also, KH3D is great, you'll love the game!

 

It has to be better than KH2FM in order to fully fulfill this saga. Are they able to accomplish that?

 

I'm pretty sure KHIII will surpass KHII, or at the very least, come very close to doing so!

 

Here's the thing, I am worried about the fact that the Osaka team is making this game because they certainly do have their flaws. I want to believe in them, and I sincerely hope that they prove me wrong but I have not seen anything thus far that gives me too much hope. Of the games they have done Bbs was certainly better than DDD (I have a huge list of issues with this game in particular both gameplay and story wise), but until they can show me that they are learning by not making the same mistakes they have made before, I'm not going to pretend that I fully support them.

 

Well, that may be the case, but as you stated, you could be proven wrong, and Osaka could surprise you in the end!  We'll just have to wait until we get the game in our hands to judge for ourselves, ya know?  Osaka may have their flaws, but at least they are trying their best, ya know?

 

Whew, I never expected this topic to have so many replies!  I think this is the biggest set of quotes I've ever compiled!  Also, when my quota is free again, I'll like the rest of your posts!!!  But yeah, here's to Osaka making KHIII an unforgettable game!

[MythrilMagician 6,963]

The mere fact of people liking the Osaka team at all makes him laugh.

Say what? Which speedrunner is this? Why would he laugh just because what others like is different to what he likes?

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

Say what? Which speedrunner is this? Why would he laugh just because what others like is different to what he likes?

Bl00dyBizkitz. He apparently joked that he was "so triggered" by this thread on his twitter. Not like that surprises me at all considering he pretty much hates the Osaka team and every game that came after KH2 and has little to no faith in KH3's development that he thinks it would be a miracle if the game was even good. But I should stop talking about him. Don't wanna relapse into how I acted when I first started here.

[MythrilMagician 6,963]

Bl00dyBizkitz. He apparently joked that he was "so triggered" by this thread on his twitter. Not like that surprises me at all considering he pretty much hates the Osaka team and every game that came after KH2 and has little to no faith in KH3's development that he thinks it would be a miracle if the game was even good. But I should stop talking about him. Don't wanna relapse into how I acted when I first started here.

I wouldn't worry too much about him then. He's going to be one of those people that will be like this when he plays KH3 (assuming he even does):

 

 

So, jokes on him.

[thatkingdomheartsguy 153]

Bl00dyBizkitz. He apparently joked that he was "so triggered" by this thread on his twitter. Not like that surprises me at all considering he pretty much hates the Osaka team and every game that came after KH2 and has little to no faith in KH3's development that he thinks it would be a miracle if the game was even good. But I should stop talking about him. Don't wanna relapse into how I acted when I first started here.

Firstly, he did not "joke" that he was triggered; he was actually legitimately annoyed that people seem so optimistic. I've been in his streams, and I know his opinions on BBS/DDD, and how he has no faith that KH3 will be good; but all of it with good reason too.

 

Point is, y'all are saying that he's being a "prick" by laughing at one's opinion and judging it, and here you are, not accepting his opinion. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

[thatkingdomheartsguy 153]

Thought this might be some interesting content, since it was made by what many of you may refer to as an "official" and "accurate" Kingdom Hearts youtuber.

 

 

I'd say Dean brought up some pretty good points in this video, especially as to why some aren't as optimistic about KH3 as others are.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Oh yeah, Birth By Sleep is amazing!  It, along with Dream Drop Distance and Kingdom Hearts II, are my favorite entries in the series!  Yes, the command deck combat style for BBS was a great idea, and I loved forging powerful commands!  And I happen to like 3D's gameplay too, ya know, especially when it comes to attacking with Dream Eaters!   Yeah, well, when Kingdom Hearts III comes out, I'm sure the fruits of their labors will bear quite the impressive game for us to play!  But yeah, they're cool!   Awesomeness!   Indeed!  The battle mechanics for both games were quite fun!  I loved the Command Styles of Birth By Sleep and the Dream Eater attacks and interactivity with them in Dream Drop Distance!   Gahhh, don't say E3, cuz it'll remind me that we still have to wait a bit for this year's E3, and I really want to see a new trailer for KHIII!   Yeah, I agree with you, the most important aspect for me in the Kingdom Hearts series is its story, and I'm more than confident that Nomura will deliver on that front, with quite a few surprises in store!  But yeah, I'm sure that with all the years the game has been in development, Osaka has been honing their skills in refining the gameplay aspect of the game, ya know?   Omg, I know!!! I love that attack Sora performed on all those aerial Heartless! (It was like kinda a Shotlock type of attack, right? )  Yeah, I can see what you mean here.  After all, something that is crucial to good gameplay is balancing, and a great way to bring balance is to have equal parts melee and equal parts magic, ya know?  But yeah, I'm sure Osaka team will find a way to balance out all the gameplay issues and deliver us a great combat system!   But yeah, I agree, enemies should stagger more, and some attacks shouldn't be insanely overpowered! (Although Megaflare was quite awesome to dish out in Birth By Sleep, I must confess. X3)  Glad to see you have such a positive outlook on the game as I do!  I'm sure KHIII will be a very awesome game!   Indeed.  The best thing about the KH games is that each of them doesn't exactly play the same as the one before, ya know?  There's always a mix-up of gameplay elements, either it be cards, command decks, flowmotion, shotlocks, medals, you name it!  I think that's one of the reasons why the series has been so successful, aside from the story, of course!  The fact that the gameplay is always being changed up provides for a fresh experience gameplay wise with each new entry!   Well, I'm sure that with the added guidance of the FFXV KH crew that'll soon be joining the Osaka team, the gameplay's gonna be polished even more, ya know?   Well, who knows?  Osaka could surprise the doubtful!  We'll have to wait and see for what happens!   Yeah, I see what you mean.  As a person whose played all the games numerous times before, I can see why people can be doubtful of the Osaka team because of their work in BBS and KH3D.  Enemies not staggering when they're supposed to is annoying, the floaty combos can slow the pace of combat a bit, and certain abilities can be overpowered, ya know?  But even so, I enjoyed BBS and KH3D greatly, as they are two of my favorite entries in the KH series, along with KHII!  I'm looking forward to seeing what Osaka will have in store for us with Kingdom Hearts III!   Well, let's see how Osaka fares on the PS4, eh?   Indeed!  What we've seen isn't even the final product yet!  We're just viewing snippets of work in progress!  The final product will no doubt be something of splendor! Gahhh, I can't wait to see how the final product will look like! X_X  Haha, awesome!  I love KH3D as well, as I do BBS! Like I've mentioned previously, they are two of my favorite entries in the KH series, alongside KHII!   That's the attitude to have!  The Osaka team will surely deliver a great KH game for us in KHIII!   Indeed!  With the original team coming to assist Osaka, their combined efforts will form something out of this world for when Kingdom Hearts III finally comes out!   Lol, okay?   Yep, we haven't worked on games before, so we don't know how hard it is to develop a game from the ground up!  We can only speculate how things go behind the scenes, ya know?  But yeah, I'm sure that at the end of the day, the Osaka team will deliver a great and amazing game for us in Kingdom Hearts III!   Gahhh, the hype is real!!!  I want 2.8 so badly!!! D:  Yep, I agree!  This is like a proving ground for Osaka, so they can show to the world that putting Kingdom Hearts III in their hands was no mistake!  I'm sure they're working hard and diligently to make this game, and the end product will be something truly marvelous!  With all the years this game has been in development, I've got no doubt in my mind that Osaka's been honing their skills and bettering themselves every day!   Well, I understand what you mean, because heck, KHII's gameplay is godly!  But hey, people like different kinds of gameplay, ya know?  In my case, at least, I've been fine with all the combat mechanics we've been witness to throughout the KH series!   Well, we'll see what happens in the long run!  I can't wait for some new trailers at this year's E3!   Amen to your words, brother!  I'm happy you think this way regarding this topic!  I agree with you fullheartedly, and I know Osaka will make Kingdom Hearts III an amazing game! Until we get the game, all we can do is hype up, ya know?   Indeed, the game does look promising so far, especially given all the different combat styles we'll be experimenting with in the game, such as Flowmotion, Free Run, Attraction Flow, plus the traditional style of combat!  Also, KH3D is great, you'll love the game!   I'm pretty sure KHIII will surpass KHII, or at the very least, come very close to doing so!   Well, that may be the case, but as you stated, you could be proven wrong, and Osaka could surprise you in the end!  We'll just have to wait until we get the game in our hands to judge for ourselves, ya know?  Osaka may have their flaws, but at least they are trying their best, ya know? Whew, I never expected this topic to have so many replies!  I think this is the biggest set of quotes I've ever compiled!  Also, when my quota is free again, I'll like the rest of your posts!!!  But yeah, here's to Osaka making KHIII an unforgettable game!

Use that word "hype" carefully. I have seen it taken out of context and over the top amount of it. You see and hear from people who had it for weeks.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Omg, I know!!! I love that attack Sora performed on all those aerial Heartless! (It was like kinda a Shotlock type of attack, right? )

I've kept my eye on that Focus gauge that had been sitting there since the game's initial reveal and I got super hyped seeing the Shotlock happen in the more recent trailers. I'm not the biggest fan of BBS, but it was the only game I felt was solid with its command system and the shotlocks were wonderful. I can't wait to see all the ones Sora will have in KH3. His combat is supposed to be a mix of previous gameplay mechanics after all, so I'm pretty stoked for it either way.

[bbizkitz 15]

Let me preface this post by first stating that I do not laugh at anyone that enjoys BBS or DDD. I hate both of these games, and for very good reason, but if anyone ever asked me if they should play BBS/DDD, I would say yes. I always want people to form opinions for themselves on the game rather than blindly follow my point of view.

 

That being said, I think the thing that amazes me to this day about Osaka Team games (more specifically BBS/DDD) is that their fans rarely look at their games in a critical light. In fact, fans of Osaka Teams are VERY quick to be apologetic of Osaka Team even when they do recognize they aren't perfect, and this thread is a perfect example of this. Time and time again, I see fans saying these exact things, that we should love and support they Osaka Team and give them credit for working their butts off and we shouldn't judge them too harshly for the mistakes they CONSISTENTLY make in each of their games (and this includes the ports 1.5 and 2.5 by the way).

 

The only thing I have to say in response to this is... really? Look I want KH3 to be good as much as everybody else, but just being wide-eyed and saying "KH3 will be good" when clearly Osaka Team has not done a great job is in fact the worst thing you can do as a fan. Yeah, acknowledging that BBS/DDD has flaws is great, but then to go back and say "it's no biggie, I'm sure KH3 will be great." Like there is no evidence to back up that Osaka Team will do a good job besides blind faith in them, and do you honestly think blind faith will do that? If you just sit on your hands and say nothing, Osaka Team will just go back to making KH3 with proven flawed gameplay mechanics, and nobody wants that in KH3. I'll never understand fans who think that blindly supporting a game developer whom has made games with incredibly obvious flaws is going to actually make KH3 into a good game.

 

Also, to the person who labeled me a "speedrunner" as if it's some kind of insult. Speedrunners do not just "hate" video games and love using game breaking glitches and "cheating" the game. We're just like you, we're fans of video games and want to see them do well. The only difference between you and me is that we get really in depth with video games and we see these game mechanics up close and personal. I love KH1 and KH2, I hate BBS/DDD, but I do NOT want KH3 to just be a clone of KH1/KH2, I want it to try new things and incorporate new ideas. Heck I like Re:Coded's system a lot and would like to see something like that implemented. I even like DDD's idea of flow motion, even if it was implemented poorly in 3D. The point here is, your conception of how a speedrunner thinks and what he/she feels I feel is very skewed and I hope you think about that differently from now on.

Edited April 14, 2016 by bbizkitz

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Thought this might be some interesting content, since it was made by what many of you may refer to as an "official" and "accurate" Kingdom Hearts youtuber.

 

 

I'd say Dean brought up some pretty good points in this video, especially as to why some aren't as optimistic about KH3 as others are.

 

Yeah, I agree, the video was pretty enlightening!  He was just stating his honest worries about the game, and that's cool!

 

Use that word "hype" carefully. I have seen it taken out of context and over the top amount of it. You see and hear from people who had it for weeks.

 

Haha, don't worry, when I mean hype, I mean excitement for more news about the game and new trailers and info and such, not hype as in over-expecting something, ya know?

 

I've kept my eye on that Focus gauge that had been sitting there since the game's initial reveal and I got super hyped seeing the Shotlock happen in the more recent trailers. I'm not the biggest fan of BBS, but it was the only game I felt was solid with its command system and the shotlocks were wonderful. I can't wait to see all the ones Sora will have in KH3. His combat is supposed to be a mix of previous gameplay mechanics after all, so I'm pretty stoked for it either way.

 

Gahhh, I know!!!  Imagine if that attack we saw in the trailer is just one of many different Shotlock-esque attacks!?  That's no doubt gonna be badass!  But yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how Sora fights this time around with all the different combat options available to him! ^_^

 

Let me preface this post by first stating that I do not laugh at anyone that enjoys BBS or DDD. I hate both of these games, and for very good reason, but if anyone ever asked me if they should play BBS/DDD, I would say yes. I always want people to form opinions for themselves on the game rather than blindly follow my point of view.

 

That being said, I think the thing that amazes me to this day about Osaka Team games (more specifically BBS/DDD) is that their fans rarely look at their games in a critical light. In fact, fans of Osaka Teams are VERY quick to be apologetic of Osaka Team even when they do recognize they aren't perfect, and this thread is a perfect example of this. Time and time again, I see fans saying these exact things, that we should love and support they Osaka Team and give them credit for working their butts off and we shouldn't judge them too harshly for the mistakes they CONSISTENTLY make in each of their games (and this includes the ports 1.5 and 2.5 by the way).

 

The only thing I have to say in response to this is... really? Look I want KH3 to be good as much as everybody else, but just being wide-eyed and saying "KH3 will be good" when clearly Osaka Team has not done a great job is in fact the worst thing you can do as a fan. Yeah, acknowledging that BBS/DDD has flaws is great, but then to go back and say "it's no biggie, I'm sure KH3 will be great." Like there is no evidence to back up that Osaka Team will do a good job besides blind faith in them, and do you honestly think blind faith will do that? If you just sit on your hands and say nothing, Osaka Team will just go back to making KH3 with proven flawed gameplay mechanics, and nobody wants that in KH3. I'll never understand fans who think that blindly supporting a game developer whom has made games with incredibly obvious flaws is going to actually make KH3 into a good game.

 

Also, to the person who labeled me a "speedrunner" as if it's some kind of insult. Speedrunners do not just "hate" video games and love using game breaking glitches and "cheating" the game. We're just like you, we're fans of video games and want to see them do well. The only difference between you and me is that we get really in depth with video games and we see these game mechanics up close and personal. I love KH1 and KH2, I hate BBS/DDD, but I do NOT want KH3 to just be a clone of KH1/KH2, I want it to try new things and incorporate new ideas. Heck I like Re:Coded's system a lot and would like to see something like that implemented. I even like DDD's idea of flow motion, even if it was implemented poorly in 3D. The point here is, your conception of how a speedrunner thinks and what he/she feels I feel is very skewed and I hope you think about that differently from now on.

 

Yeah, I get what you're saying here, and you have a good point!  Osaka definitely has flaws, and it's apparent in the gameplay of both BBS and KH3D, but I personally believe that with all the time they've had making Kingdom Hearts III, they've been honing their talents to make sure the game is polished, ya know?  And given that the Tokyo team is coming to aid Osaka soon, then that's all the better, since the gameplay will probably be even more polished!

 

It's not that we recognize flaws but just ignore them.  No, not at all.  I know the problems BBS and KH3D have, but even so, I deeply enjoy these games! Do I want KHIII to have the same type of combat flow as in BBS and KH3D?  No, I do not.  I know I can't just blindly say that Osaka will make KHIII into a masterpiece in terms of gameplay, but I truly believe that after working on BBS, KH3D and the HD ReMixes, Osaka should definitely be more polished in terms of gameplay, ya know?  Only time will tell if this is the case, but honestly, I'm gonna think positively about the game's development, and when we get more substantial trailers of how the final product will look like, you can bet I'll be more hyped! And 0.2: A Fragmentary Passage will be a testing ground for KHIII, so there's that too, so playing that will give us a feel for KHIII's gameplay pacing, ya know?

 

But yeah, I see your point, man.  If you dislike the way BBS and KH3D are made gameplay-wise, then that's perfectly fine, and I can understand your gripes with the Osaka team.  All I aimed to do with this topic is show my support for the Osaka team! ^_^

Edited April 15, 2016 by The Transcendent Key

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Thought this might be some interesting content, since it was made by what many of you may refer to as an "official" and "accurate" Kingdom Hearts youtuber.

 

 

I'd say Dean brought up some pretty good points in this video, especially as to why some aren't as optimistic about KH3 as others are.

 

 

Let me preface this post by first stating that I do not laugh at anyone that enjoys BBS or DDD. I hate both of these games, and for very good reason, but if anyone ever asked me if they should play BBS/DDD, I would say yes. I always want people to form opinions for themselves on the game rather than blindly follow my point of view.

 

That being said, I think the thing that amazes me to this day about Osaka Team games (more specifically BBS/DDD) is that their fans rarely look at their games in a critical light. In fact, fans of Osaka Teams are VERY quick to be apologetic of Osaka Team even when they do recognize they aren't perfect, and this thread is a perfect example of this. Time and time again, I see fans saying these exact things, that we should love and support they Osaka Team and give them credit for working their butts off and we shouldn't judge them too harshly for the mistakes they CONSISTENTLY make in each of their games (and this includes the ports 1.5 and 2.5 by the way).

 

The only thing I have to say in response to this is... really? Look I want KH3 to be good as much as everybody else, but just being wide-eyed and saying "KH3 will be good" when clearly Osaka Team has not done a great job is in fact the worst thing you can do as a fan. Yeah, acknowledging that BBS/DDD has flaws is great, but then to go back and say "it's no biggie, I'm sure KH3 will be great." Like there is no evidence to back up that Osaka Team will do a good job besides blind faith in them, and do you honestly think blind faith will do that? If you just sit on your hands and say nothing, Osaka Team will just go back to making KH3 with proven flawed gameplay mechanics, and nobody wants that in KH3. I'll never understand fans who think that blindly supporting a game developer whom has made games with incredibly obvious flaws is going to actually make KH3 into a good game.

 

Also, to the person who labeled me a "speedrunner" as if it's some kind of insult. Speedrunners do not just "hate" video games and love using game breaking glitches and "cheating" the game. We're just like you, we're fans of video games and want to see them do well. The only difference between you and me is that we get really in depth with video games and we see these game mechanics up close and personal. I love KH1 and KH2, I hate BBS/DDD, but I do NOT want KH3 to just be a clone of KH1/KH2, I want it to try new things and incorporate new ideas. Heck I like Re:Coded's system a lot and would like to see something like that implemented. I even like DDD's idea of flow motion, even if it was implemented poorly in 3D. The point here is, your conception of how a speedrunner thinks and what he/she feels I feel is very skewed and I hope you think about that differently from now on.

Now with this, I'm able to see where people have their worries. I am just as worried, honestly. I like some of the mechanics conceived throughout the series, but when it comes to balancing moves and actually producing realistic knockback to your finishers, or just hits at all, Osaka Team has failed at doing this. In fact, there is no enemy flinch, or the rewarding system of the Revenge Values. Enemies should feel your hits and show it and looking back at the trailers, they feel it, but they show no realistic knockback from the finishers at all. In any game, not just Kingdom Hearts, when you hit an enemy, especially with a finishing move, they flinch and/or get knocked back. None of that happens in Osaka's KH titles nor in the gameplay they've given us. With some of the Tokyo staff on board, they should be improving that and making sure we can feel the solid hit a Keyblade should be making against a Heartless, Nobody, or whatever else they decide to work with.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Yeah, I agree, the video was pretty enlightening!  He was just stating his honest worries about the game, and that's cool!   Haha, don't worry, when I mean hype, I mean excitement for more news about the game and new trailers and info and such, not hype as in over-expecting something, ya know?   Gahhh, I know!!!  Imagine if that attack we saw in the trailer is just one of many different Shotlock-esque attacks!?  That's no doubt gonna be badass!  But yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how Sora fights this time around with all the different combat options available to him! ^_^  Yeah, I get what you're saying here, and you have a good point!  Osaka definitely has flaws, and it's apparent in the gameplay of both BBS and KH3D, but I personally believe that with all the time they've had making Kingdom Hearts III, they've been honing their talents to make sure the game is polished, ya know?  And given that the Tokyo team is coming to aid Osaka soon, then that's all the better, since the gameplay will probably be even more polished! It's not that we recognize flaws but just ignore them.  No, not at all.  I know the problems BBS and KH3D have, but even so, I deeply enjoy these games! Do I want KHIII to have the same type of combat flow as in BBS and KH3D?  No, I do not.  I know I can't just blindly say that Osaka will make KHIII into a masterpiece in terms of gameplay, but I truly believe that after working on BBS, KH3D and the HD ReMixes, Osaka should definitely be more polished in terms of gameplay, ya know?  Only time will tell if this is the case, but honestly, I'm gonna think positively about the game's development, and when we get more substantial trailers of how the final product will look like, you can bet I'll be more hyped! And 0.2: A Fragmentary Passage will be a testing ground for KHIII, so there's that too, so playing that will give us a feel for KHIII's gameplay pacing, ya know? But yeah, I see your point, man.  If you dislike the way BBS and KH3D are made gameplay-wise, then that's perfectly fine, and I can understand your gripes with the Osaka team.  All I aimed to do with this topic is show my support for the Osaka team! ^_^

If only that term were used that way. I have seen too many times "fails to live up to hype" because the expectations were stupid and unrealistic. That and people rant for weeks because of that. If the term were used the way you use it, I would have no problem, but alas, it isn't.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Now with this, I'm able to see where people have their worries. I am just as worried, honestly. I like some of the mechanics conceived throughout the series, but when it comes to balancing moves and actually producing realistic knockback to your finishers, or just hits at all, Osaka Team has failed at doing this. In fact, there is no enemy flinch, or the rewarding system of the Revenge Values. Enemies should feel your hits and show it and looking back at the trailers, they feel it, but they show no realistic knockback from the finishers at all. In any game, not just Kingdom Hearts, when you hit an enemy, especially with a finishing move, they flinch and/or get knocked back. None of that happens in Osaka's KH titles nor in the gameplay they've given us. With some of the Tokyo staff on board, they should be improving that and making sure we can feel the solid hit a Keyblade should be making against a Heartless, Nobody, or whatever else they decide to work with.

 

Well, the only way we'll know if there's been any progress or not is by waiting for this year's E3!  I'm pretty sure that Kingdom Hearts III will have a presence, and if that's the case, a new gameplay trailer should put us up to speed and show us how far Osaka is in terms of their polishing and balancing!  After last year, it could be they've improved, ya know?  We'll just have to wait until E3 to see, ya know?

 

If only that term were used that way. I have seen too many times "fails to live up to hype" because the expectations were stupid and unrealistic. That and people rant for weeks because of that. If the term were used the way you use it, I would have no problem, but alas, it isn't.

 

Oh well, not everyone uses the terms the same way I do, ya know?  Hehe, but yeah, I'm excited for the game, and I'm excited for it to be the best KH game to date!

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Oh well, not everyone uses the terms the same way I do, ya know?  Hehe, but yeah, I'm excited for the game, and I'm excited for it to be the best KH game to date!

Naturally it would be.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Naturally it would be.

 

I want E3 to come already!  The wait is agonizing!!! ;_;