KHUX Adding on to the Rebirth Theory

[Salve-SiS 125]

The names of the Foretellers' have finally been revealed, and all evidence points to them being named after the seven deadly sins. Since this is the case, I thought it pertinent to look up the seven virtues, each of which are said to directly oppose the seven sins. 

 

Here: 

 

1. Sloth=Diligence

2. Gluttony=Temperance

3. Greed=Charity 

4. Wrath=Patience

5. Envy=Kindness

6. Lust=Chastity 

7. Pride= Humility. 

 

Let's take a look at Sloth, from which Ursus' name Aced comes from. Sloth is profound laziness. This makes little to no sense considering how hard working we know Terra to be. But that's the thing. He's hardworking. He had such a strong will his mind managed to possess his freakin' armor and make it move. Terra is diligent. 

 

It is possible each of the Foretellers' names come from the seven deadly sins as a way to parallel/contrast them to their future selves slash present counterparts. This can also be seen with Ira (Unicornis) and Riku. Ira's name comes from the latin word for wrath. Patience, in this context, means to endure hardships with patience and dignity, to be able to forgive, and to have sense of harmony and stability. Riku's entire story deals with his struggles with darkness, and aside from the first game, he's shown to endure that painful journey with dignity. He finally manages a sense of stability by the end of KH3D, and it is also in this game he manages to forgive himself for his previous misdeeds. Riku is the EPITOME of patience. 

 

Taking this into account, we notice the motif of the number seven. Seven deadly sins, seven heavenly virtues...seven guardians of light. Now, that may just be coincidence, but if it's not? The Rebirth theory keeps on gaining credence, guys...

[KHUndertaleFan25 2,858]

I believe you, honey. It makes sense.

Edited April 8, 2016 by KHUndertaleFan25

[Lights_Guardian 11]

You know I've been kinda on the edge with this 'Rebirth' theory but this definitely makes me believe it a lot more. I can't wait till I get more into the Unchained X story and see what it leads to and what we discover in X Backcover when its released.  

[Kittenz 4,281]

Only 1% of Japan's population is Christian, and a lot of Japanese people aren't that religious to begin with, it's hard to explain, but they rather take a neutral stance if you ask them about it, most people would say they are Buddhist/Shintoist even if they are more agnostic, because saying you're not would be perceived as being less Japanese, and some people follow Shintoism more out of cultural value than true belief in it. 

 

With that said, I find it extremely unlikely that was intention, and any religious influence in Japanese games usually doesn't go beyond references, for a few reasons, like potential backlash/controversy, it's usually only present in the names of bosses or character design, with story it's usually just to enhance the fantasy element, like the religion in, e.g fantasy world A, being inspired by a real world one, and most of it comes from their own religion, Shintoism, again probably to avoid potential controversy, and it's more familiar.

 

I'm not saying your theory is complete bust, though, because names could indeed of been inspired, but anything more than that I doubt 

[supermegaroxas 155]

Months ago, I also had a theory about the 6th foreteller but they deleted it because of religion, so why this hasn't?...

[CrystalRaine 77]

Only 1% of Japan's population is Christian, and a lot of Japanese people aren't that religious to begin with, it's hard to explain, but they rather take a neutral stance if you ask them about it, most people would say they are Buddhist/Shintoist even if they are more agnostic, because saying you're not would be perceived as being less Japanese, and some people follow Shintoism more out of cultural value than true belief in it. 

 

With that said, I find it extremely unlikely that was intention, and any religious influence in Japanese games usually doesn't go beyond references, for a few reasons, like potential backlash/controversy, it's usually only present in the names of bosses or character design, with story it's usually just to enhance the fantasy element, like the religion in, e.g fantasy world A, being inspired by a real world one, and most of it comes from their own religion, Shintoism, again probably to avoid potential controversy, and it's more familiar.

 

I'm not saying your theory is complete bust, though, because names could indeed of been inspired, but anything more than that I doubt 

 

The Foretellers are already undoubtedly based on the Seven Deadly Sins, why would it be a stretch to assume the other characters (assuming the rebirth theory is true) represent the seven virtues? 

[Kittenz 4,281]

The Foretellers are already undoubtedly based on the Seven Deadly Sins, why would it be a stretch to assume the other characters (assuming the rebirth theory is true) represent the seven virtues? 

Well, you have your theories and I have mine. Nomura hasn't said they are based on the seven sins, and until he does, in an official interview, I don't believe they are for the reasons I just said. If you asked Japanese people on a street  what the seven deadly sins are they wouldn't be able to tell you most of the time. 

 

Not to be rude, but I don't understand why american fans feel the need to insist everything based on Christianity when it could just as easily be something else, or the failure to understand that Japanese people think differenty

[Kaweebo 3,617]

Well, you have your theories and I have mine. Nomura hasn't said they are based on the seven sins, and until he does, in an official interview, I don't believe they are for the reasons I just said. If you asked Japanese people on a street  what the seven deadly sins are they wouldn't be able to tell you most of the time. 

 

Not to be rude, but I don't understand why american fans feel the need to insist everything based on Christianity when it could just as easily be something else, or the failure to understand that Japanese people think differenty

Nomura loves his Greek and ancient European languages, though. I mean most people in Japan or Europe aren't gonna known that 'Chi; is a letter of the Greek alphabet and yet he threw it in as the name of the X-blade in BBS. It's not really that far a stretch to assume he would use the latin words for the seven deadly sins to represent the downfall of each Foreteller, just to seem all smart and impress dummies like us. 

Edited April 8, 2016 by Kaweebo

[Kittenz 4,281]

Nomura loves his Greek and ancient European languages, though. I mean most people in Japan or Europe aren't gonna known that 'Chi; is a letter of the Greek alphabet and yet he threw it in as the name of the X-blade in BBS. It's not really that far a stretch to assume he would use the latin words for the seven deadly sins to represent the downfall of each Foreteller, just to seem all smart and impress dummies like us. 

Of course, I think I got confused actually. I thought this person meant injecting the religion into the game itself. I don't doubt he would use names at all

[CrystalRaine 77]

Well, you have your theories and I have mine. Nomura hasn't said they are based on the seven sins, and until he does, in an official interview, I don't believe they are for the reasons I just said. If you asked Japanese people on a street  what the seven deadly sins are they wouldn't be able to tell you most of the time. 

 

Not to be rude, but I don't understand why american fans feel the need to insist everything based on Christianity when it could just as easily be something else, or the failure to understand that Japanese people think differenty

 

Dude, the names are literally all based on the seven deadly sins, it's not even up for debate at this point. 

 

And btw, I'm an atheist from the UK, so your assessment is quite inaccurate

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

I'm sorry, WHEN exactly did all the foreteller's names get revealed? Did I miss something?

[Hearts Creed 142]

I really like this. Excellent insight, my friend. 

[Shimmy 458]

I'm sorry, WHEN exactly did all the foreteller's names get revealed? Did I miss something?

Ah, yesterday Kingdom Hearts χ (pc version) had a story update which revealed the names of the foretellers depending on what union you're in. Read about it more

here because I won't go into story specifics unless you ask.

The names are

Ava for Vulpeus (assumed to take root from the word Avarity which is Latin for extreme Greed)

Gula for Leopardos (Gula latin for the sin of Gluttony)

Ira for Unicornus  (Ira is Latin for Wrath)

Aced for Ursus (Acedia is a state of extreme apathy to the point of not performing one's specific duties ie. Sloth)

Invi for Anguis (Invidia is a sense of extreme jealously or Envy)

What more is that there's also this chart

And lastly, apparently one of three beasts encountered in the level of hell dedicated to Gluttony in Dante's Inferno is in fact, a Leopard. However I couldn't find any sources proving that last one.

So that about sums it up as to why everyone is freaking out about sins right now.

Also I got to say I quite like this rendition to the re:birth theory because it might actually develop this characters in a different sense. 

Edited April 8, 2016 by Shimmy

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Ah, yesterday Kingdom Hearts χ (pc version) had a story update which revealed the names of the foretellers depending on what union you're in. Read about it more

here because I won't go into story specifics unless you ask.

The names are

Ava for Vulpeus (assumed to take root from the word Avarity which is Latin for extreme Greed)

Gula for Leopardos (Gula latin for the sin of Gluttony)

Ira for Unicornus  (Ira is Latin for Wrath)

Aced for Ursus (Acedia is a state of extreme apathy to the point of not performing one's specific duties ie. Sloth)

Invi for Anguis (Invidia is a sense of extreme jealously or Envy)

What more is that there's also this chart

And lastly, apparently one of three beasts encountered in the level of hell dedicated to Gluttony in Dante's Inferno is in fact, a Leopard. However I couldn't find any sources proving that last one.

So that about sums it up as to why everyone is freaking out about sins right now.

Also I got to say I quite like this rendition to the re:birth theory because it might actually develop this characters in a different sense. 

Yeah except we only have five fortellers and one sixth renegade, so how would you account for the seventh? Unless we're going to count the unseen master as one of them?

[Shimmy 458]

Yeah except we only have five fortellers and one sixth renegade, so how would you account for the seventh? Unless we're going to count the unseen master as one of them?

The Foretellers and their correspondences to deadly sins is essentially fact. It's just when you start thinking of who could represent lust and pride and what the theme of sins actually means is when things start to be more in theoretical land.

 

Actually, I figured the master of masters is a real possible candidate for Pride, as it's obvious whoever originally wielded the Goat Keyblade was probably lust. After all Pride is considered to be the deadliest of them all. But that's just me.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

The Foretellers and their correspondences to deadly sins is essentially fact. It's just when you start thinking of who could represent lust and pride and what the theme of sins actually means is when things start to be more in theoretical land.

 

Actually, I figured the master of masters is a real possible candidate for Pride, as it's obvious whoever originally wielded the Goat Keyblade was probably lust. After all Pride is considered to be the deadliest of them all. But that's just me.

Well I guess that would explain the lack of a lion guild, which I really would have gone for if given the choice. -3-"

[Guest]

The names of the Foretellers' have finally been revealed, and all evidence points to them being named after the seven deadly sins. Since this is the case, I thought it pertinent to look up the seven virtues, each of which are said to directly oppose the seven sins. 

 

Here: 

 

1. Sloth=Diligence

2. Gluttony=Temperance

3. Greed=Charity 

4. Wrath=Patience

5. Envy=Kindness

6. Lust=Chastity 

7. Pride= Humility. 

 

Let's take a look at Sloth, from which Ursus' name Aced comes from. Sloth is profound laziness. This makes little to no sense considering how hard working we know Terra to be. But that's the thing. He's hardworking. He had such a strong will his mind managed to possess his freakin' armor and make it move. Terra is diligent. 

 

It is possible each of the Foretellers' names come from the seven deadly sins as a way to parallel/contrast them to their future selves slash present counterparts. This can also be seen with Ira (Unicornis) and Riku. Ira's name comes from the latin word for wrath. Patience, in this context, means to endure hardships with patience and dignity, to be able to forgive, and to have sense of harmony and stability. Riku's entire story deals with his struggles with darkness, and aside from the first game, he's shown to endure that painful journey with dignity. He finally manages a sense of stability by the end of KH3D, and it is also in this game he manages to forgive himself for his previous misdeeds. Riku is the EPITOME of patience. 

 

Taking this into account, we notice the motif of the number seven. Seven deadly sins, seven heavenly virtues...seven guardians of light. Now, that may just be coincidence, but if it's not? The Rebirth theory keeps on gaining credence, guys...

 

I like this theory a lot, however, I want to add more to it. Something a little bit more Unconventional.

 

Ephemera = Roxas

Skuld = Xion

6th Foreteller/Lust = Axel/Lea

Master of Masters/Pride = Ansem the Wise