KHUX Is there a 6th Foreteller? (Expansion on the Rebirth Theory!)

[CrystalRaine 77]

Ok folks, I've been doing some reading, and I believe there may be some connection in Kingdom Hearts X to the ancient religion of Zoroastrianism, which is supposedly the oldest religion in existence. In Zoroastrian mythology, Ahura Mazda, the God of Light, created the world in seven stages: the Sky, Water, Earth, Flora, Fauna, the first Man: Keyumars, and Fire.

 

Let's have a closer look at the blades of the foreteller's keyblades. First, Leopardos:

 

 

The blade of the Leopardos keyblade resembles a lightning bolt; the Leopardos foreteller represents the Sky.

 

Next, the Vulpeus foreteller (Ava):

 

 

It may be difficult to see depending on the colour/brightness settings on your device, but on the light blue parts of the blade is what appears to be a tidal wave; Ava represents water. Also, Ava is a name derived from Aban, which in turn is the middle-Persian equivalent of the Avestan word Apas, meaning 'Waters'. The only known use of the Avestan language is in the scripture of the Zoroastrian religion.

 

Next, the Ursus foreteller:

 

 

 

The Ursus keyblade appears to have a rocky motif; the Ursus foreteller is Earth.

 

 

Now, the Anguis foreteller:

 

 

If one looks closely at the blade and the hilt, there are vines and leaves present; the Anguis foreteller represents flora.

 

And finally, the Unicornis foreteller:

 

 

This one was a little harder for me to discern, but looking at it, the blade sort of resembles a bow and arrow. Bows are traditionally associated with hunting; the Unicornis foreteller represents fauna. 

 

 

Ahriman, the evil Lord of darkness, tried to destroy the seven creations one by one. Foreseeing this, Ahura Mazda created six Archangels to protect the seven creations. He made himself the Archangel of Mankind. Ahriman failed to destroy all the creations, except Keyumars, who succumbed to sickness and died. 

 

If we assume that the sixth apprentice represents Keyumars, who was the only creation to succumb to darkness, then it explains why he never became a foreteller - he was the only one who succumbed to the darkness (Ahriman), and was therefore deemed not worthy of becoming a foreteller. 

 

But who represents the Archangel of fire? Ahura Mazda's final creation was Fire. An Archangel of fire was also created to protect this element. Who, in Kingdom Hearts lore, represents fire? That's right, Lea. My theory is that there is a sixth foreteller we currently don't know about, who is a replacement for the failed sixth apprentice, and Lea is the reincarnation of this foreteller. 

 

There is one Keyblade wielder missing; and that's Sora. Sora could be representative of the sixth apprentice and Keyumars, as he succumbed to the darkness in Dream Drop Distance and failed the Mark of Mastery. Therefore, I do not believe Sora is one of the seven lights; didn't Nomura say that not all of the people expected to fill the roles necessarily will? I believe the seven lights are:

 

Mickey (Sent by Master Yen Sid, the Archangel of Mankind and reincarnation of the Foretellers' Master, to act on his behalf)

Ventus (Archangel of Sky and reincarnation of Leopardos Foreteller)

Kairi ( Archangel of Water and reincarnation of Ava/Vulpeus Foreteller)

Terra (Archangel of Earth and reincarnation of Ursus Foreteller)

Aqua (Archangel of Flora and reincarnation of Anguis Foreteller)

Riku (Archangel of Fauna and reincarnation of Unicornis Foreteller)

Lea (Archangel of Fire and reincarnation of unnamed 6th Foreteller)

 

A little more information that may interest you: There's a superboss in Final Fantasy X-2 called Angra Mainyu; this is another name for Ahriman, the evil lord of darkness, so it would seem Square is already familiar with Zoroastrian mythology.

 

What do you guys think? A mindblowing analogy, or just mere coincidence?

Edited January 4, 2016 by CrystalRaine

[Muke 32]

This really..sounds incredible to me. Especially how you "analysed" the Keyblades. 

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

All of this is interesting but I'm wonder about Sora's role if he isn't one of the 7 Lights.

I'm not sure if it's a type of role like Ephemera.

So far in my head right now, Sora is an ordinary boy with amazing things happening to him.  

 

When you mentioned "Ahriman", I remember there was a gummi ship named Ahriman from the first game. 

Edited January 3, 2016 by RikuFangirl2008

[Kaweebo 3,617]

I...I love this. I love you. 

[CrystalRaine 77]

I...I love this. I love you. 

 

Aww, thank you! I love you too

[KHUndertaleFan25 2,858]

This is good. I like it.

[Shana09 5,769]

Didn't Riku also succumb to the darkness at one point, even if he is now using it for good?

Terra is also succumbed to the darkness at this point too.

[CrystalRaine 77]

Didn't Riku also succumb to the darkness at one point, even if he is now using it for good?

Terra is also succumbed to the darkness at this point too.

 

I thought about this myself, but if the reincarnation theory is true, then it implies the Keyblade wielders inherited their abilities from the Foretellers, and if they were preordained to be warriors of light, then Riku and Terra succumbing to darkness would not have changed this fate.

[Shana09 5,769]

I thought about this myself, but if the reincarnation theory is true, then it implies the Keyblade wielders inherited their abilities from the Foretellers, and if they were preordained to be warriors of light, then Riku and Terra succumbing to darkness would not have changed this fate.

 

So basically, by your theory, that even if the reincarnations do the most horrible things or do stuff that astray from the path of the light they are still fine since they are destined to get back to the light because of their previous life being so pure?

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I must be quite honest, this rebirth theory doesn't make sense in my opinion. Why? Because of this cutscene below.

 

Young Xehanort says that Master Xehanort's keyblade is the oldest in existence. In the JP version of this, the japanese translated has him say that the keyblade passed down is a will passed on. How can he be a reincarnation of the sixth apprentice? It would not make sense to pass it down back to yourself. Also, Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Riku, and Kairi, should have the keyblades from the Foretellers too. Yet, they don't.

Edited January 5, 2016 by KingdomHearts3

[Guest]

All of this is interesting but I'm wonder about Sora's role if he isn't one of the 7 Lights.

I'm not sure if it's a type of role like Ephemera.

So far in my head right now, Sora is an ordinary boy with amazing things happening to him.  

 

When you mentioned "Ahriman", I remember there was a gummi ship named Ahriman from the first game. 

 

Ephemera is just like Sora in the context that he's an adventurer and wants to be part of something bigger!

 

But yeah, I too felt as though that Lea is the sixth Foreteller. But in terms of the Master of Masters: I have a theory of who that is!  :wink:

[CrystalRaine 77]

Ephemera is just like Sora in the context that he's an adventurer and wants to be part of something bigger!

 

But yeah, I too felt as though that Lea is the sixth Foreteller. But in terms of the Master of Masters: I have a theory of who that is!  :wink:

 

Yep, I feel that the big 'twist' of KHIII will be that Sora was never destined to wield the keyblade at all - he's just an ordinary boy that gained the ability to wield the keyblade due to the strength of his heart alone. That's what makes Sora special and the hero of the KH series - he didn't gain his abilities due to some predetermined fate, but on his own merit

 

I should also add that in the Zoroastrian creation myth, the God of Light instructed Fire to protect and serve Mankind. If we assume that the sixth apprentice/Mankind = Sora, and the sixth 'Foreteller'/Fire = Lea, then this creates a direct parallel with Roxas and Axel's friendship. My God, these similarities are becoming way too conspicuous!

[Guest]

Yep, I feel that the big 'twist' of KHIII will be that Sora was never destined to wield the keyblade at all - he's just an ordinary boy that gained the ability to wield the keyblade due to the strength of his heart alone. That's what makes Sora special and the hero of the KH series - he didn't gain his abilities due to some predetermined fate, but on his own merit

 

I should also add that in the Zoroastrian creation myth, the God of Light instructed Fire to protect and serve Mankind. If we assume that the sixth apprentice/Mankind = Sora, and the sixth 'Foreteller'/Fire = Lea, then this creates a direct parallel with Roxas and Axel's friendship. My God, these similarities are becoming way too conspicuous!

 

You have a really amazing of making comparisons and analogies. I can see Ephemera to be Gayomard seeing as he's a mortal being in the crossfire. How'd you end up finding out about all of this in the first place (cause that's what's intrigued me the most)?