Why I hate the Rebirth Theory!

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

Now before I start this, i'm not hating on the people who made the theory. I actually think it's quite clever how they spotted it . But there is something that i just detest about the content of the theory and i'll explain why. If it's correct and actually comes true i'm going to be a little annoyed and it feels quite cheap to me, IF the foretellers are EXACTLY or VERY SIMILAR LOOKING to the protagonists.

 

Something I've always felt KH needs is more original characters and designs, be honest, a lot of our current cast of original KH characters are alternate versions or people who look very similar. Let me go through every character that looks similar/exact to another OR is in some way an alternate version of another.

 

Sora-Roxas, Ventus, Data Sora, Xion, Vanitas,

Riku-Repliku,

Kairi-Xion, Namine,

 

Terra-Terranort, Apprentice Xehanort, Ansem SOD, Xemnas. I'm not counting lingering will.

Aqua-Kairi and Xion

Ventus-Roxas, Sora, Vanitas, Xion

Master Xehanort-Young Xehanort, Terranort, Ansem SOD, Xemnas, Apprentice Xehanort.

 

Most of these work vice versa too. I'll edit this if i think of anymore.

 

Every single Org 13 member has their own somebody(Luxord, Demyx, Larxene and Marluxia somebodies haven't appeared but it's safe to say they have a somebody) So that's another 13 people who look like another person exactly.

 

Don't you see how ridiculous this seems now? Oh look 5 new original characters Nevermind they look exactly like our protagonists. Imagine being a new KH player and how utterly stupid it sounds to have yet ANOTHER 5 people resemble our protagonists exactly, 2 of these 5 protagonists already have enough alternate versions or people who look similar to them (Ven and Terra). If it is correct, then I don't want a small detail changed to be able to distinguish them from the protagonists. Also it'll be a mediocre writing choice by Nomura. 

 

Besides looks, it just defeats the purpose of everything the protagonists have worked for by making them destined for greatness instead of having to earn it. Remember all of Riku's trials and tribulations he's had to accomplish during this saga? He was a reincarnation of a powerful keyblade master so he was destined to win all along. If this is true, it demonstrates a lack of originality and that Nomura is just throwing things in for the sake of it (Time travel? Or how Unchained X and X are supposedly taking place in different dimensions?). It just seems silly at this point. But like i said it's just a theory and it may not come true. 

Edited January 2, 2016 by Shinobi Palace

[SorRik 186]

Hmmm Xion has the exact same appearance of Kairi as a girl but at the final battle she looks like Sora because she was created to become the new Sora in order to merge with Roxas and have the power of the keyblade to collect more hearts.

[Kaweebo 3,617]

I don't really care if they look exactly alike or not, tbh. I just find it interesting the cycle of reincarnation that pointed to every main character having once been a Foreteller...except for Sora. If they look alike or not, whatever. It's par for the course. 

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Now before I start this, i'm not hating on the people who made the theory. I actually think it's quite clever how they spotted it . But there is something that i just detest about the content of the theory and i'll explain why. If it's correct and actually comes true i'm going to be a little annoyed and it feels quite cheap to me, IF the foretellers are EXACTLY or VERY SIMILAR LOOKING to the protagonists.Something I've always felt KH needs is more original characters and designs, be honest, a lot of our current cast of original KH characters are alternate versions or people who look very similar. Let me go through every character that looks similar/exact to another OR is in some way an alternate version of another.Sora-Roxas, Ventus, Data Sora, Xion, Vanitas,Riku-Repliku,Kairi-Xion, Namine,Terra-Terranort, Apprentice Xehanort, Ansem SOD, Xemnas. I'm not counting lingering will.Aqua-Kairi and XionVentus-Roxas, Sora, Vanitas, XionMaster Xehanort-Young Xehanort, Terranort, Ansem SOD, Xemnas, Apprentice Xehanort.Most of these work vice versa too. I'll edit this if i think of anymore.Every single Org 13 member has their own somebody(Luxord, Demyx, Larxene and Marluxia somebodies haven't appeared but it's safe to say they have a somebody) So that's another 13 people who look like another person exactly.Don't you see how ridiculous this seems now? Oh look 5 new original characters Nevermind they look exactly like our protagonists. Imagine being a new KH player and how utterly stupid it sounds to have yet ANOTHER 5 people resemble our protagonists exactly, 2 of these 5 protagonists already have enough alternate versions or people who look similar to them (Ven and Terra). If it is correct, then I don't want a small detail changed to be able to distinguish them from the protagonists. Also it'll be a mediocre writing choice by Nomura. Besides looks, it just defeats the purpose of everything the protagonists have worked for by making them destined for greatness instead of having to earn it. Remember all of Riku's trials and tribulations he's had to accomplish during this saga? He was a reincarnation of a powerful keyblade master so he was destined to win all along. If this is true, it demonstrates a lack of originality and that Nomura is just throwing things in for the sake of it (Time travel? Or how Unchained X and X are supposedly taking place in different dimensions?). It just seems silly at this point. But like i said it's just a theory and it may not come true.

:')You don't know how long I have been wanting to hear this! *starts kissing your foot* Edited January 2, 2016 by KingdomHearts3

[awesomeinmyworld 268]

Besides looks, it just defeats the purpose of everything the protagonists have worked for by making them destined for greatness instead of having to earn it. Remember all of Riku's trials and tribulations he's had to accomplish during this saga? He was a reincarnation of a powerful keyblade master so he was destined to win all along.

Well here's the rub: the Foretellers obviously failed. Remember, they formed their Unions to PREVENT the Keyblade War, but it still happened anyway, and most likely the Foretellers fell in battle. Regardless if Rebirth theory is true and Riku is Unicornis' reincarnation, his accomplishments still stand because Unicornis and all the other Foretllers failed. Riku is still the only Keyblade Wielder/Protagonist that has handled, controlled and faced the darkness in his heart is such a powerful way, making him one of the most powerful characters in the series. And on the flip side we have Terra, while he, like Riku, is "destined for greatness" because he is Ursus' reincarnation in the theory, he is way far from it since he is still possessed by Xehanort and most likely a 13th Darkness.

 

I personally like the Rebirth theory, I feel it clever, but to each their own.

[Shimmy 458]

Ahh I understand this complaint. I too would like some variety in designs but I'm more or less indifferent to rebirth theory. It does admittedly have a lot to back it up but regardless some design variety would be nice ;;

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

I don't really care if they look exactly alike or not, tbh. I just find it interesting the cycle of reincarnation that pointed to every main character having once been a Foreteller...except for Sora. If they look alike or not, whatever. It's par for the course. 

Don't you find the lack of originality a bit disturbing?

 

:')You don't know how long I have been wanting to hear this! *starts kissing your foot*

Don't kiss my feet, buy me food if you want to please me and ask Nomura when you'll be releasing and in my ps4  

 

Ahh I understand this complaint. I too would like some variety in designs but I'm more or less indifferent to rebirth theory. It does admittedly have a lot to back it up but regardless some design variety would be nice ;;

 

Well here's the rub: the Foretellers obviously failed. Remember, they formed their Unions to PREVENT the Keyblade War, but it still happened anyway, and most likely the Foretellers fell in battle. Regardless if Rebirth theory is true and Riku is Unicornis' reincarnation, his accomplishments still stand because Unicornis and all the other Foretllers failed. Riku is still the only Keyblade Wielder/Protagonist that has handled, controlled and faced the darkness in his heart is such a powerful way, making him one of the most powerful characters in the series. And on the flip side we have Terra, while he, like Riku, is "destined for greatness" because he is Ursus' reincarnation in the theory, he is way far from it since he is still possessed by Xehanort and most likely a 13th Darkness.

 

I personally like the Rebirth theory, I feel it clever, but to each their own.

Hmm, I like the counter argument you present. But it still feels like Nomura just ran out of ideas.

[Kaweebo 3,617]

Don't you find the lack of originality a bit disturbing?

Not particularly. On the contrary, I think it makes a lot of sense. Given KH's (particularly Xehanort's) emphasis on 'destiny', it fits that several of our main characters are, in fact, reincarnated versions of the Foretellers, brought together again to fix what went wrong centuries before. I don't really take issue with the character doubles since most of them serve some kind of actual purpose. (besides Xion, anyway...) Throwing a few more in there, especially in this context, won't hurt anything, I think. 

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

Not particularly. On the contrary, I think it makes a lot of sense. Given KH's (particularly Xehanort's) emphasis on 'destiny', it fits that several of our main characters are, in fact, reincarnated versions of the Foretellers, brought together again to fix what went wrong centuries before. I don't really take issue with the character doubles since most of them serve some kind of actual purpose. (besides Xion, anyway...) Throwing a few more in there, especially in this context, won't hurt anything, I think. 

i actually really like that take on this theory. if Nomura really went with this kind of theme then i might be more inclined to hate KHX less.

to me it feels like a new plot point that could actually fit into the series easily at this point. i wouldn't want Nomura to half ass it and just say they're reincarnated and that's it. I'd like for him to give that more of a purpose. Like how you phrased it. The Foretellers were brought back together by the hands of fate in order to correct their mistake from before. 

[Shana09 5,769]

Not gonna like everything I heard from X already makes me feel its going to complicate and make KH3 far more ridiculous.

If this theory is confirmed true....then jesus christ Nomura.

[Soul_Seeker 753]

Not gonna like everything I heard from X already makes me feel its going to complicate and make KH3 far more ridiculous.

If this theory is confirmed true....then jesus christ Nomura.

 

No, more accurately, if that happens:

 

[NoWay 63]

I'm hoping that if the rebirth theory is true that the foretellers will NOT look like the exact same person as Riku, Kairi etc. I mean they can be reincarnation but this does not mean that they have to look the same..

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

i actually really like that take on this theory. if Nomura really went with this kind of theme then i might be more inclined to hate KHX less.

to me it feels like a new plot point that could actually fit into the series easily at this point. i wouldn't want Nomura to half ass it and just say they're reincarnated and that's it. I'd like for him to give that more of a purpose. Like how you phrased it. The Foretellers were brought back together by the hands of fate in order to correct their mistake from before. 

The hands of fate? That seems kind of vague to just be brought back by the hands of fate. 

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

The hands of fate? That seems kind of vague to just be brought back by the hands of fate. 

well yea it is vague but would it be better to write it off as destiny?

 

honestly i wouldn't expect "the hands of fate" to be the sole reason for why the foretellers are back because it would be a cop-out explanation. i could imagine that phrase being used by someone like Yen Sid, while explaining to the main characters how the foretellers are back or something. it's the kind of mystical and cryptic sounding phrase that can be thrown around to make something seem grander in scale so that's probably why i went with that.

 

Yen Sid might explain who the Foretellers are, what happened to them and why they're back and then to top it all off he could make an off hand comment like "Almost as if the hands of fate themselves brought them back to correct their mistakes..."

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Not gonna like everything I heard from X already makes me feel its going to complicate and make KH3 far more ridiculous.

If this theory is confirmed true....then jesus christ Nomura.

It won't be because of this cutscene alone: 

 

How can someone be reincarnated if they are passing down their power? You don't pass it down to yourself.

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

well yea it is vague but would it be better to write it off as destiny?

 

honestly i wouldn't expect "the hands of fate" to be the sole reason for why the foretellers are back because it would be a cop-out explanation. i could imagine that phrase being used by someone like Yen Sid, while explaining to the main characters how the foretellers are back or something. it's the kind of mystical and cryptic sounding phrase that can be thrown around to make something seem grander in scale so that's probably why i went with that.

 

Yen Sid might explain who the Foretellers are, what happened to them and why they're back and then to top it all off he could make an off hand comment like "Almost as if the hands of fate themselves brought them back to correct their mistakes..."

 I doubt Yen Sid would know, he's not that smart.

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

 I doubt Yen Sid would know, he's not that smart.

then some other character who serves as an exposition fountain for the series