KHUX The Foreteller Reincarnation theory

[Kaweebo 3,617]

In Soraalam1's latest analysis video of the 2.8 trailer, he posited the idea that the Foretellers are all reincarnations of our main characters. I'm not sure if this has been discussed before in specific, but I've always believed a version of this is true at least with regards to Xehanort. I've had the theory for a while now that Xehanort is a reincarnated version of the 'traitor' within the Foretellers. But it might actually be somebody else...

 

 

As is mentioned in the video, the theory apparently goes that Riku is the reincarnation of Unicornis; Kairi is the reincarnation of Vulpeus; Aqua is Anguis; Terra is Ursus; and Ventus is Leopardus. These are the five known Foretellers and at face value, they have very similar designs. And if the voice actors DO share between characters, that's basically 100% confirmation. (We don't know that they do, though)

 

However, that leaves an obvious character out. Where is Sora with regards to this theory? Is it possible that he, in another life, was the last apprentice of the Master of Masters who didn't receive a piece of the Tome of Prophecy? Or, perhaps a previous version of Xehanort was the last apprentice and Sora is the reincarnation of another. Ephemera, maybe?

 

I always thought it was a bit strange than when Nomura was drawing signed sketches earlier this year around Unchained X's release in Japan, he drew both Ephemera and Sora with Chirithy...

 

 

 

 

Food for thought. 

Edited December 25, 2015 by Kaweebo

[Guest]

Yeah, I personally believe that Sora and Ephemera have some sort of a connection. Neither are "bound" by an obligation, rather, they just follow their heart.

[Valhite 168]

For me personally, it can't be coincidence that TOO MANY Ephemera's features corresponded with Xehanort, Braig, and mostly with them. Silver hair, Xehanort's Outfit, and Xigbar's scarf are all there with him . One more thing, Ephemera's Chirithy is darker than all of the player.

 

So my prediction is, Ephemera is the traitor and the odd of all of them and Xehanort is his future self and for sora, well, he is the Master of Master. Why, because he is the one who save all of the foretellers future self from darkness. Riku? Terra? Ven? Aqua? Eventually Kairi? They all saved by Sora

Edited December 25, 2015 by Ryo Lutfi Adi

[Komali 594]

I always had the same thought.

 

Ava (Vulpeus) says to Ephemera: "Thank you. If anything were to happen, I'm leaving it in the hands of children like you who are not bounded to the unions. Ride on the winds and fly far far away......

Dandelion."

 

This is also interesting:

When dandelions appear in dreams, they are thought to represent happy unions. They are also considered to be symbols of hope, summer and childhood.

 

What was the story from Kairis grandma again?

 

"Long ago, people lived in peace, bathed in the warmth of light. Everyone loved the light. Then people began to fight over it. They wanted to keep it for themselves. And darkness was born in their hearts. The darkness spread, swallowing the light and many people's hearts. It covered everything, and the world disappeared. But small fragments of light survived... in the hearts of children. With these fragments of light, children rebuilt the lost world. It's the world we live in now. But the true light sleeps deep within the darkness. That's why the worlds are still scattered, divided from each other. But someday, a door to the innermost darkness will open. And the true light will return. So listen, child. Even in the deepest darkness, there will always be a light to guide you. Believe in the light, and the darkness will never defeat you. Your heart will shine with its power and push the darkness away."

 

This would mean: Sora = Ephemera, because he is free and he follows his heart. Sora represents the child, who saves the worlds from the darkness. It fits with the description that Ansem the Wise gave him in DDD:

 

"Surely we remember as children the way our hearts made everything seem so shiny and perfect. Sora has a heart like that - uncorrupted, willing to see the good before the bad."

 

But I wonder why Ephemera wants to know something about the book of prophecies. Maybe he works for the sixth foreteller but deep inside he has good intentions?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Sora not being a reincarnation of anyone special at all would fit his theme perfectly though. He's not special, he's not chosen, just a normal boy who fell into his roll through a series of cosmic accidents. So whereas everyone else involved in this theory is special, Sora being the odd man out actually makes perfect sense.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Hearts Creed 142]

Sora not being a reincarnation of anyone special at all would fit his theme perfectly though. He's not special, he's not chosen, just a normal boy who fell into his roll through a series of cosmic accidents.

Took the words right out of my mouth, I share the exact same thoughts. 

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I don't believe in the reincarnation theory. The voices in the JF trailer I heard are different than the other Japanese voices I have heard before. The theory has also never been confirmed or even hinted in the games at all. This is my opinion and this is what I believe.

[outbackjim21 83]

I don't get how people are buying into this reincarnation theory, the very essence of it contradicts a theme that has not only been a main staple of the series since CoM, but was even expliclty talked about in the most recent DDD, how can you honestly say that all of these characters are individuals if their "hearts" are from someone else, it kind of takes away from what many characters throughout the series have been going through, proving themselves and that their existence is their own, but if you have it so that most of these characters are the way they are and how they ended up in their roles due to a past life it kind of cheapens everything they have come to understand about themselves. I mean, can anyone even explain how this would work with Kairi, her being light incarnate for the most part, how could she be a reincarnation of anyone other than another POH.

[Kittenz 4,281]

I don't think it cheapens anything, cycles of life and death are common themes in asia. I personally think it's pretty feelsy

 

I don't think having different voice actors doesn't necessarily disprove it either. Because, they can be very different people now to who they were then and having a different voice because of that, having a different body. Namine is kairi's nobody but has a different voice. It doesn't really mean anything because they could have a different voice and then Nomura confirms the theory in an interview or something. 

 

With her being a PoH, the PoH came to being after the true keyblade shattered, there's no reason why her heart could be an ordinary one then come to contain one of the shards after the world fell to darkness

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I don't get how people are buying into this reincarnation theory, the very essence of it contradicts a theme that has not only been a main staple of the series since CoM, but was even expliclty talked about in the most recent DDD, how can you honestly say that all of these characters are individuals if their "hearts" are from someone else, it kind of takes away from what many characters throughout the series have been going through, proving themselves and that their existence is their own, but if you have it so that most of these characters are the way they are and how they ended up in their roles due to a past life it kind of cheapens everything they have come to understand about themselves. I mean, can anyone even explain how this would work with Kairi, her being light incarnate for the most part, how could she be a reincarnation of anyone other than another POH.

I actually think it would strengthen the position of people like Roxas because if Riku and the others used to be somebody else but became different people because of their own personal expiriances, than the same could be true for Roxas, Naminé and even Xion. Just becuse Terra may have the same heart as Ursus for example, doesn't necessarily make him the same person, if this pans out.Kairi is a problem though. The only way I could see it working with her is if one of the fragments of light found its way into Ava's heart making it pure light and her one of the first generation princesses.It would also fit the "Destiny is inevitable" theme, having the Foretellers being forced into fighting the traitor again, this time as the GoL and Xehanort. Edited December 26, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I don't get how people are buying into this reincarnation theory, the very essence of it contradicts a theme that has not only been a main staple of the series since CoM, but was even expliclty talked about in the most recent DDD, how can you honestly say that all of these characters are individuals if their "hearts" are from someone else, it kind of takes away from what many characters throughout the series have been going through, proving themselves and that their existence is their own, but if you have it so that most of these characters are the way they are and how they ended up in their roles due to a past life it kind of cheapens everything they have come to understand about themselves. I mean, can anyone even explain how this would work with Kairi, her being light incarnate for the most part, how could she be a reincarnation of anyone other than another POH.

*kisses your foot* You don't know how long I have been waiting for the voice of reason!

[CrystalRaine 77]

I've been doing some reading, and apparently the name Ava (Vulpeus foreteller) is a Persian name meaning 'Water', and also the name of an angel. Some people reckon that Kairi is the Vulpeus forteller reborn, so the name definitely implies a connection with either her or Aqua.

[Shimmy 458]

I like the idea of there being a connection between the foretellers and some of the characters but not necessarily reincarnation. Ya feel? I'm down for whatever though, all I know is that the foretellers are pretty rad and I enjoy them so far

[Kaweebo 3,617]

I don't get how people are buying into this reincarnation theory, the very essence of it contradicts a theme that has not only been a main staple of the series since CoM, but was even expliclty talked about in the most recent DDD, how can you honestly say that all of these characters are individuals if their "hearts" are from someone else, it kind of takes away from what many characters throughout the series have been going through, proving themselves and that their existence is their own, but if you have it so that most of these characters are the way they are and how they ended up in their roles due to a past life it kind of cheapens everything they have come to understand about themselves. I mean, can anyone even explain how this would work with Kairi, her being light incarnate for the most part, how could she be a reincarnation of anyone other than another POH.

No one said their hearts were reincarnated. In fact, the essence that could be reincarnating them might be the soul, a force that is hardly ever talked about in this series. The hearts are unique to each person, that's why Terra isn't Ursus and Ventus isn't Leopardus. But the soul, what breathed life into those Foretellers, could be shared amongst the modern-day characters post-Keyblade War, thereby linking them in a personal way. 

 

As for Kairi, we know absolutely nothing about how the POH work or even if there were any other generations of POH before the Disney Princesses+Kairi. She's already proven herself unique apart from the other POH anyway, I wouldn't say it's a stretch that she's destined for greater things. In fact, one of Disney (and Square's, tbh) greatest themes is destiny, so it makes double sense. The only character I'm kind of against being reincarnated (even from Ephemera, tbh) would be Sora, since he's supposed to be regular average Joe who just happened to hang out with characters who are destined for greatness and sort of fell into the role of hero.

 

Either way, it's all fun 'n games speculation anyway, so I don't see the harm.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Kaweebo