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[Scrapmaster 1,731]

There is a way to rationalize it.

 

Who's the one person who isn't directly affiliated with the empire and was present at the meeting?

 

We had a deal Dorian. Now you die...

[Atrias 19]

Is Oryx omniscient?

 

Otherwise it's passable that he simply fooled the god thingy and simply doesn't mention it.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Atrias

[Scrapmaster 1,731]

Is Oryx omniscient?

 

Otherwise it's passable that he simply fooled the god thingy and simply doesn't mention it.

 

Well...he isn't omniscient, but he can see through the eyes of his subjects and read their minds, with varying degrees of time taken to be able to build up his influence in them, could be hours, could be days.

 

one thing for sure though, the moment Dorian stepped into that meeting room, saturated with Oryx's power, you really think he came back the same as before? there is a good bit of Oryx's influence (THink of it like an infection) on him by now

Edited January 14, 2016 by Scrapmaster

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

Is Oryx omniscient?

 

Otherwise it's passable that he simply fooled the god thingy and simply doesn't mention it.

There's also the possibility that Dorian hadn't decided to rat them out until after the fact.  It might've just been convenient to inform a Messiah spy for a pouch of gold. ; )

[Atrias 19]

He definitely gave out the information after exiting lying to himself that he will not sell it. Or it could be a state of mind where his thoughts are difficult to read.

 

 

If i say yes Dorian will probably be an overpowered plot device.

 

If i say no then I'd be probably killing him off.

 

What if orient developed some sort of one use drug that counteracts this?

[Scrapmaster 1,731]

He definitely gave out the information after exiting lying to himself that he will not sell it. Or it could be a state of mind where his thoughts are difficult to read.

 

 

If i say yes Dorian will probably be an overpowered plot device.

 

If i say no then I'd be probably killing him off.

 

What if orient developed some sort of one use drug that counteracts this?

 

If you say no then Dex will pay him regular visits...with money, to buy him into Oryx's side.

 

Oryx won't kill Dorian off until Dorian really screws the pooch with them.

 

A drug huh? well, Dorian doesn't know about the infection, no one knows they are infected, and its almost impossible to detect. So I dunno about a drug.

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

He definitely gave out the information after exiting lying to himself that he will not sell it. Or it could be a state of mind where his thoughts are difficult to read.

 

 

If i say yes Dorian will probably be an overpowered plot device.

 

If i say no then I'd be probably killing him off.

 

What if orient developed some sort of one use drug that counteracts this?

Also, if you don't want Oryx reading Dorian's mind he cannot.  It's a general rule that's pretty much at the discretion of the other player so that it was fair to everyone.  It's just that it works in an interesting way when Oryx can read minds and thus most of us accept it, plus it fits well with Oryx's character and dominance of the empire.  I'm sorry; I should've mentioned that earlier.  Regarding your two choices, though, I think you could go with either, though I like the idea of the former and decides to sell out the information later, or has learned that Oryx can read minds.  Maybe he's received training to protect his mind?

[Arya Stark 1,337]

1st: holy crap, you okay? Completely understand, and please take it easy.2nd: definitely allied with the North, possibly a werewolf. I'm juggling with several different character ideas for North character. If I do a werewolf character, it will either be a Stark (if that's alright with you) or something more like Bigby Wolf from Fables/The Wolf Among Us (a werewolf from the other direction). Also toying with an adaptation of a Wolfbrother from Wheel of Time or a Kitsune.

Arya Stark plz Just keep in mind if you decide to do that, and I very much encourage the idea I like it a lot, that Stark's last name is actually Red, opposed to Stark. And any other variations on the werewolf concept are also welcome. And thanks for the concern, but I can function mostly fine.

1.)Hello, GUMMI DREADNOUGHT? The Nobody Dreadnought level in KH2? The Heartless Pirate Ship? The dozens of large warships all over the Nobody Dreadought?I know what I'm doing >.>2.) Duels aren't gone you can have them. I tend to focus on the big stuff, not ruining duels -.-3.) Kaipora will have Ryonne heading there, as well as, hopefully, Neena and Henry, heading their way while Kusanagi keeps the hive ships busy.Don't count the Rebellion out just yet.

 Ryonne can take one, maybe two on a good day with surprise. He is a duelist at heart, and confronting multiple strong opponents like that isn't his strong suit at all. As for Neena and Henry, I doubt they'll get there in time. First they have to deal with Ariana, then Ciriel actually has to convince them to join. 

Hmm . . . .  I just thought of something after reading your last post.  I'm not sure that Messiah could've necessarily caught wind of the attack on Kaipora.  It was a rather small meeting which commenced that even discussed the attack on Kaipora, and Isaac is choosing a very discreet strategy to infiltrate the city.  Either Messiah has *very* good intel and has internal spies, or the Empire has very loud soldiers.  Either way, I suppose it's possible.  I just find it really unlikely that Messiah learned of the potential attack unless there was an information leak, which I kind of doubt.

On the topic of Intel going a bit too freely, I think it's worth noting that Venas probably shouldn't know about Messiah. It's possible that he had spies, but if he did, then why would the king show up with absolutely no idea what the Seraphim looked like, what happened to Eclaire, etc. Having spies within the Empire at Hylvania is possible, but I'm pretty sure they're a little occupied not getting mauled by a werewolf to communicate. That leaves the potential for an intercepted communication, but I'm pretty sure if Messiah was able to keep secret this long, then their comm channels couldn't be so easily hacked, and if it could by the Venas land and it's tech, then why didn't they do it before? I'm just thinking, when Jynn first showed up, he knew nothing, and suddenly he knows that Messiah is a thing, despite that not even being common knowledge within the Empire yet.I hate to go on about Game of Thrones, but it's really influenced me and my writing/characters recently, and it really drove home to me that not everybody knows everything, and how much of the stuff the characters in our games know that are actually probably well-kept secrets. If we're going to make Intel as free as we have right now, we should make mention of the hackers or spies that get it. Incredibly skilled hackers and spies I might add.Also, @Kuni when are you postinggggg

[Atrias 19]

Also, if you don't want Oryx reading Dorian's mind he cannot.  It's a general rule that's pretty much at the discretion of the other player so that it was fair to everyone.  It's just that it works in an interesting way when Oryx can read minds and thus most of us accept it, plus it fits well with Oryx's character and dominance of the empire.  I'm sorry; I should've mentioned that earlier.  Regarding your two choices, though, I think you could go with either, though I like the idea of the former and decides to sell out the information later, or has learned that Oryx can read minds.  Maybe he's received training to protect his mind?

My thoughts exactly.

 

And on the subject of mind reading it would fit Dorian's slippery character that cant be read.

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

On the topic of Intel going a bit too freely, I think it's worth noting that Venas probably shouldn't know about Messiah. It's possible that he had spies, but if he did, then why would the king show up with absolutely no idea what the Seraphim looked like, what happened to Eclaire, etc. Having spies within the Empire at Hylvania is possible, but I'm pretty sure they're a little occupied not getting mauled by a werewolf to communicate. That leaves the potential for an intercepted communication, but I'm pretty sure if Messiah was able to keep secret this long, then their comm channels couldn't be so easily hacked, and if it could by the Venas land and it's tech, then why didn't they do it before? I'm just thinking, when Jynn first showed up, he knew nothing, and suddenly he knows that Messiah is a thing, despite that not even being common knowledge within the Empire yet.I hate to go on about Game of Thrones, but it's really influenced me and my writing/characters recently, and it really drove home to me that not everybody knows everything, and how much of the stuff the characters in our games know that are actually probably well-kept secrets. If we're going to make Intel as free as we have right now, we should make mention of the hackers or spies that get it. Incredibly skilled hackers and spies I might add.Also, @Kuni when are you postinggggg

I was actually kind of thinking the same thing.  I mean, I don't want to say that Jynn *couldn't* learn of this information, but Messiah has been kept a secret for over a year and it's unlikely that its name is even breathed (unless THEY have an information leak, which they don't).  I also am a little miffed that he sensed darkness within Yevgeni.  He's very discreet about his tampering with necromancy, and he's also very secretive about the attacks on imperials.  If he does do it for the Order he claims it was a necessity or in error, and if he doesn't either he or a small secret group of troops does it.  I sincerely don't think Jynn could know that Yevgeni is up to anything ill; it is far from common knowledge.

 

I don't know; I don't want to ask KHDude to edit the post, but at the same time the amount of knowledge that Jynn has is rather unfathomable and kind of disrupts things.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Mystics Apprentice

[Scrapmaster 1,731]

My thoughts exactly.

 

And on the subject of mind reading it would fit Dorian's slippery character that cant be read.

 

RIghty then, Oryx won't read Dorian's mind, but can he see through the mans eyes? that takes much less influcence buildup necessary to do so.

[Atrias 19]

RIghty then, Oryx won't read Dorian's mind, but can he see through the mans eyes? that takes much less influcence buildup necessary to do so.

 

 

It'd be possible but would he know a messiah spy who was sitting at Dorians back while they exchanged information?

 

It's pretty common to do it that way so neither would know the others face in case they got caught. And if it were Messiah you could justify the caution.

 

 

 

And I agree with Emerald that information like this should not leek so often. I will try to justify that as well as try to sew any plot holes that may occur if at all possible.

[Vaude 536]

The second deuce looked into Ol' Yella's eyes:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw3fN3OPk3A

 

Glorious.  =P

 

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NO!!!  Dorian, you traitor!!!

 

That's a fine idea; thank you.

 

An information seller can make a fine character in this game.  There's nothing quite like a man who is on all sides just to make a profit, but I fear for his safety when he confronts a leader willing to lose an asset to close the gaps made by the asset.

 

I was actually kind of thinking the same thing.  I mean, I don't want to say that Jynn *couldn't* learn of this information, but Messiah has been kept a secret for over a year and it's unlikely that its name is even breathed (unless THEY have an information leak, which they don't).  I also am a little miffed that he sensed darkness within Yevgeni.  He's very discreet about his tampering with necromancy, and he's also very secretive about the attacks on imperials.  If he does do it for the Order he claims it was a necessity or in error, and if he doesn't either he or a small secret group of troops does it.  I sincerely don't think Jynn could know that Yevgeni is up to anything ill; it is far from common knowledge.

 

I don't know; I don't want to ask KHDude to edit the post, but at the same time the amount of knowledge that Jynn has is rather unfathomable and kind of disrupts things.

 

I understand your viewpoint, but the way I read it was more along the lines of moral darkness rather than his tampering with necromancy if the post was on the 7th of January.  I admit, though, that darkness in many a way is being exuded by Kaspar, that rascallike soul, and in no small part to his night-time activities of disturbing rigor mortis victims.

[Scrapmaster 1,731]

It'd be possible but would he know a messiah spy who was sitting at Dorians back while they exchanged information?

 

It's pretty common to do it that way so neither would know the others face in case they got caught. And if it were Messiah you could justify the caution.

 

 

 

And I agree with Emerald that information like this should not leek so often. I will try to justify that as well as try to sew any plot holes that may occur if at all possible.

 

Kinda fits actually, MEssiah found out about Hylvania and Kaipora attack, and intercepted Oryx's attacks, that would make him very cautious, and the first person he'd think sold them out would be Dorian, since he wasn't affiliated with them and he attended the meeting. Makes snese

 

If he looked through Dorian's eyes during the exchange...yes, he would find out.

[Atrias 19]

Kinda fits actually, MEssiah found out about Hylvania and Kaipora attack, and intercepted Oryx's attacks, that would make him very cautious, and the first person he'd think sold them out would be Dorian, since he wasn't affiliated with them and he attended the meeting. Makes snese

 

If he looked through Dorian's eyes during the exchange...yes, he would find out.

 

Wrong interpretation.

 

If the spy and Dorian were sitting back to back in a way that they couldn't see each other then that would eliminate the danger entirely. Furthermore it would cause suspicion among the Oryx party since there'd be no proof. In fact if the seeing through his eyes thing yielded no evidence he could say someone else did it who knew about it to frame him.

[Scrapmaster 1,731]

Wrong interpretation.

 

If the spy and Dorian were sitting back to back in a way that they couldn't see each other then that would eliminate the danger entirely. Furthermore it would cause suspicion among the Oryx party since there'd be no proof. In fact if the seeing through his eyes thing yielded no evidence he could say someone else did it who knew about it to frame him.

 

A very good point.

 

If Dorian finds out Oryx can see through his eyes, he can definitely do this. Yes. Specially if they give information i nthe form of papers and messages and whatnot, since Oryx can hear what you say and what you hear also when he sees through your eyes.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Scrapmaster

[Atrias 19]

It can be labeled as standard procedure since plenty of info trades happen like that IRL

[Scrapmaster 1,731]

It can be labeled as standard procedure since plenty of info trades happen like that IRL

 

Indeed they are, so no problem there.

 

Go for it. I guess.

[Arya Stark 1,337]

Also I forgot to mention, but I was a little peeved that Ryonne's outburst went ignored. I understand a lot is happening, but the barest acknowledgement that it happened would be enough, especially since this is intended to be an integral part of Ryonne's plotline.

[Nero Kunivas 3,046]

I'llllllll possssssssttt soooooooooooooonnn.....

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

Glorious.  =P

 

 

An information seller can make a fine character in this game.  There's nothing quite like a man who is on all sides just to make a profit, but I fear for his safety when he confronts a leader willing to lose an asset to close the gaps made by the asset.

 

 

I understand your viewpoint, but the way I read it was more along the lines of moral darkness rather than his tampering with necromancy if the post was on the 7th of January.  I admit, though, that darkness in many a way is being exuded by Kaspar, that rascallike soul, and in no small part to his night-time activities of disturbing rigor mortis victims.

You're probably right.  I was covering my bases by discussing both forms of his darkness, just in case.  His darkness of morality is not common knowledge, either.  He's incredibly discreet about his attacks on imperials, unless of course he has an excuse and can put it to the Order's name.  If people are referring to the Godolvia attack in assuming his dark moral I could slightly see the point, though funnily enough I was never going to actually have him blatantly attack Godolvia like that. : P  I'm still kind of thinking that attack shouldn't have been him, which means we've got another party to worry about.

[Saber Lily 1,543]

Also I forgot to mention, but I was a little peeved that Ryonne's outburst went ignored. I understand a lot is happening, but the barest acknowledgement that it happened would be enough, especially since this is intended to be an integral part of Ryonne's plotline.

Sorry, I honestly have been more focused on trying to salvage every imaginable plan I have where was the outburst? I'll go and edit something in.Also, Hylvania is clearly in full swing...but the MAJORITY of the Imperials were sent to Kaipora. Anyone could notice an army led by some of the most powerful warriors of the Empire with FOUR Taken hive ships heading in the direction of Kaipora.

[Vaude 536]

Oh-h-h, gotcha.  I had not known that his perturbed sense of morality was not common knowledge, though this makes sense to me now.

 

I wonder what abysmal acts Kaspar can do with this altered overall moral system.  Imagine an undead army attacking a New Empire town or city from within, chanting the name of Oryx as it creates mayhem.  That would be a death's knell to Oryx's popularity unless he halts it mid-action, given the lack of accrued knowledge of necromancy in this world.  Necromancers can create all sorts of chaos given there's a cemetery around, sort of like Harris from Heroes Reborn with his clones.

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

Sorry, I honestly have been more focused on trying to salvage every imaginable plan I have where was the outburst? I'll go and edit something in.Also, Hylvania is clearly in full swing...but the MAJORITY of the Imperials were sent to Kaipora. Anyone could notice an army led by some of the most powerful warriors of the Empire with FOUR Taken hive ships heading in the direction of Kaipora.

The ship to Kaipora is actually still stationed within the imperial base and hasn't taken off yet, and their plan is to, well, Isaac has a plan to be very discreet.  One thing is that they're planning to stop a far ways away from Kaipora, but it is possible that Eclaire's meeting is of a slightly different timeline that Isaac.  He could be preparing his army, while Eclaire's party is jumped ahead an hour or so where he's en route.  Either way it's fine; we can leave it as-is. : )

[Arya Stark 1,337]

Sorry, I honestly have been more focused on trying to salvage every imaginable plan I have where was the outburst? I'll go and edit something in.Also, Hylvania is clearly in full swing...but the MAJORITY of the Imperials were sent to Kaipora. Anyone could notice an army led by some of the most powerful warriors of the Empire with FOUR Taken hive ships heading in the direction of Kaipora.

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