Bartholomew W 67 Posted November 10, 2015 So in Birth By Sleep Xehanort takes over Terra's body. Some time between BBS and KH1 he splits himself into Ansem Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas. Does that mean Xemnas has Terra's heart like how Roxas had Ventus's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenrissychros 167 Posted November 10, 2015 The most accepted theory is that Ansem's ''Guardian'' is in fact, Terra's heart. That's why it has its mouth sealed, it reacts to Riku in DDD....still, it is only a theory for now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted November 10, 2015 No it's different. Ven's heart was hiding in Sora's body aka Roxas but was not combined with Sora's heart like AX with MX and Terra's heart. They remained separate entities inside Sora. In AX's case, MX's heart was trying to consume and take over Terra's completely so his ( AX's) heartless and nobody were made from both Terra and MX. Both special nobodies but the circumstances were different. The most accepted theory is that Ansem's ''Guardian'' is in fact, Terra's heart. That's why it has its mouth sealed, it reacts to Riku in DDD....still, it is only a theory for now Most accepted theory it is not. It's already confirmed Ansem and Xemnas were made from both Terra and MX and they carry traits and memories from both bc of this. You do realize that that in itself makes no sense considering Terra and Aqua had a dual limit in their fight in the final episode where they fight AGAINST the guardian.To free Terra lol 4 Gwynbleidd, Robbie the Wise, Blooming Marluxia and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenrissychros 167 Posted November 10, 2015 You do realize that that in itself makes no sense considering Terra and Aqua had a dual limit in their fight in the final episode where they fight AGAINST the guardian.To free Terra lol In the final battle, Terra and MX keep exchanging the body. Sometimes Terra is speaking in the cutscenes, and other times MX is. When you enter the subconscious of Terra, he is in control of the body, and MX is the one controlling the guardian, thats why it has Terranort's health bar, and by defeating him there you can finish the battle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted November 10, 2015 No it's different. Ven's heart was hiding in Sora's body aka Roxas but was not combined with Sora's heart like AX with MX and Terra's heart. They remained separate entities inside Sora. In AX's case, MX's heart was trying to consume and take over Terra's completely so his ( AX's) heartless and nobody were made from both Terra and MX. Both special nobodies but the circumstances were different. That's right, so basically, Ventus is sleeping inside Sora, but he's still Ventus, while Terra is a part of Xehanort; so Sora and Ventus are two different people, and Xehanort and Terra are the same now. In the final battle, Terra and MX keep exchanging the body. Sometimes Terra is speaking in the cutscenes, and other times MX is. When you enter the subconscious of Terra, he is in control of the body, and MX is the one controlling the guardian, thats why it has Terranort's health bar, and by defeating him there you can finish the battle Sorry, Lea's got a point there, you've got that limit with Terra at the same time that The Guardian is attacking you, so what you're saying is that Terra's heart is using the Trinity Limit at the same time as it throws dark balls at you. I'm not saying that what you're saying is impossible, but Lea does have a good point here. 2 Blooming Marluxia and HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted November 10, 2015 In the final battle, Terra and MX keep exchanging the body. Sometimes Terra is speaking in the cutscenes, and other times MX is. When you enter the subconscious of Terra, he is in control of the body, and MX is the one controlling the guardian, thats why it has Terranort's health bar, and by defeating him there you can finish the battle Terra was not in control of his body that's why he fought Aqua off in the first place.They were trying to regain control of his body and get MX's heart out. Why do you think MX stabbed himself to rid himself of Terra's heart but did not succeed? He was trying to force Terra's heart out. Terra would not be trying to destroy his own heart( the guardian in your theory) to regain his control. He needs that. He would try to fight MX's heart Once again we have no idea what exactly the guardian is and is always up for debate 2 Blooming Marluxia and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bartholomew W 67 Posted November 10, 2015 No it's different. Ven's heart was hiding in Sora's body aka Roxas but was not combined with Sora's heart like AX with MX and Terra's heart. They remained separate entities inside Sora. In AX's case, MX's heart was trying to consume and take over Terra's completely so his ( AX's) heartless and nobody were made from both Terra and MX. Both special nobodies but the circumstances were different. Most accepted theory it is not. It's already confirmed Ansem and Xemnas were made from both Terra and MX and they carry traits and memories from both bc of this. You do realize that that in itself makes no sense considering Terra and Aqua had a dual limit in their fight in the final episode where they fight AGAINST the guardian.To free Terra lol Oh ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenrissychros 167 Posted November 10, 2015 Sorry, Lea's got a point there, you've got that limit with Terra at the same time that The Guardian is attacking you, so what you're saying is that Terra's heart is using the Trinity Limit at the same time as it throws dark balls at you. I'm not saying that what you're saying is impossible, but Lea does have a good point here. What I am saying is that Terra's heart is using the Trinity Limit at the same time that Xehanort's heart is throwing balls at you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted November 10, 2015 What I am saying is that Terra's heart is using the Trinity Limit at the same time that Xehanort's heart is throwing balls at you But you just said that the Guardian is Terra's heart! 1 Blooming Marluxia reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenrissychros 167 Posted November 10, 2015 But you just said that the Guardian is Terra's heart! And that they keep exchanging the body. When you fight ''normal Terranort'', Xehanort is controlling the body and Terra is the guardian When you enter the subconscious, Terra is in the body, stunned (and you can perform the Trinity with him) and Xehanort is now in the guardian, attacking you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted November 10, 2015 And that they keep exchanging the body. When you fight ''normal Terranort'', Xehanort is controlling the body and Terra is the guardian When you enter the subconscious, Terra is in the body, stunned (and you can perform the Trinity with him) and Xehanort is now in the guardian, attacking you Now I see your point! Sorry for not having understood earlier. Fair enough, yeah, it makes sense, but I still doubt that The Guardian is actually Terra's heart, anyone can think whatever they like until it is confirmed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted November 10, 2015 And that they keep exchanging the body. When you fight ''normal Terranort'', Xehanort is controlling the body and Terra is the guardian When you enter the subconscious, Terra is in the body, stunned (and you can perform the Trinity with him) and Xehanort is now in the guardian, attacking you They are not exchanging control of the body or we would've seen Terranort stop fighting Aqua in battle constantly. At that point MX had control and that's why they used a dual limit in attempt to regain control of Terra. Just like MX tried to kick Terra's heart out as another means of fighting off Terra's heart. He was trying to maintain control. And that they keep exchanging the body. When you fight ''normal Terranort'', Xehanort is controlling the body and Terra is the guardian When you enter the subconscious, Terra is in the body, stunned (and you can perform the Trinity with him) and Xehanort is now in the guardian, attacking you None of this is fact this is your theory. 2 Blooming Marluxia and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenrissychros 167 Posted November 10, 2015 Now I see your point! Sorry for not having understood earlier. Fair enough, yeah, it makes sense, but I still doubt that The Guardian is actually Terra's heart, anyone can think whatever they like until it is confirmed. Yeah, that is why I said it is just a theory. Everglow did a couple of videos talking about it. If this is true, it would explain where Terra's heart exactly is, why it kind of reacted to Riku's keyblade in 3D, and the overall appearance of the guardian, with a sealed mouth. Still, it is just a theory They are not exchanging control of the body or we would've seen Terranort stop fighting Aqua in battle constantly And we do actually see this. At the end of the battle, Terranort stops fighting Aqua, trying to move his body with something stopping him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted November 10, 2015 Yeah, that is why I said it is just a theory. Everglow did a couple of videos talking about it. If this is true, it would explain where Terra's heart exactly is, why it kind of reacted to Riku's keyblade in 3D, and the overall appearance of the guardian, with a sealed mouth. Still, it is just a theory And we do actually see this. At the end of the battle, Terranort stops fighting Aqua, trying to move his body with something stopping him At the end --bc Aqua had "won' ( if you can call it that). Not throughout the fight. She might not have saved him totally but there seemed to be reprecussions of her winning. Then we have MX trying to rid Terra's heart but failed by stabbing himself. All this is prolly the reason he awoke in RG with no memories at the time .His eyes were also brown in a scene a tad later and i think that might signify that neither were in total control bc of Aqua's fight ( hearts locked away)...Then we know later AX regained memories but hid it to further his plan. 2 Blooming Marluxia and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted November 10, 2015 At the end --bc Aqua had "won' ( if you can call it that). Not throughout the fight. She might not have saved him totally but there seemed to be reprecussions of her winning. Then we have MX trying to rid Terra's heart but failed.All this is prolly the reason he awoke in RG with no memories at the time .His eyes were also brown in a scene a tad later and i think that might signify that neither were in total control bc of Aqua's fight ( hearts locked away)...Then we know later AX regained memories but hid it to further his plan. Is it fact that he lost his memories? I know that he did have his memories back before turning into a Heartless, but I was never sure if he actually did lose them (although whenever he appeared with brown eyes it didn't look like he could remember much; I think the scenes are when he entered Ansem's room in KH2 and in BBS's secret ending). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted November 10, 2015 Is it fact that he lost his memories? I know that he did have his memories back before turning into a Heartless, but I was never sure if he actually did lose them (although whenever he appeared with brown eyes it didn't look like he could remember much; I think the scenes are when he entered Ansem's room in KH2 and in BBS's secret ending). Well that's what he at the very least pretended to do at one point for sure - but the brown eyes back this up. It would also be why they experimented on hearts and especially memories. Everything was to further his goals somehow. Prolly why he did not do what he ended up doing immediately. ( stabbing everyone into nobodies) He needed all that time and why? He prolly needed to regain all his memories and once he did then implimented his plans and tricked everyone into the org ..I cannot wait until they show everything that went down during that year from BBS to the fall of RG. 3 Blooming Marluxia, Robbie the Wise and Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingdomHearts3 2,591 Posted November 11, 2015 Ansem is the heartless of Terra-Xehanort. It is composed of MX's heart that took over Terra's. Xemnas is obviously the body of Terra-Xehanort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helios X 6 Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) The most accepted theory is that Ansem's ''Guardian'' is in fact, Terra's heart. That's why it has its mouth sealed, it reacts to Riku in DDD....still, it is only a theory for nowI believe that the Guardian is simply a pureblooded heartless born from the combined darknesses of both Terra and Xehanort and its existance may be due to excess darkness within Terra-Xehanort. Terra-Xehanort's heart must be so resilent that it did not collapsed when it produced its own corresponding heartless. Given that Terra's heart had great capacity for darkness and Xehanort embraced it to such an extent that he could benefit from its powers without any ill effects, pared with that they both were strong hearted individuals, I believe these might be the reasons why Terra-Xehanort's heart can, not only survive, but have full control of the heartless once born. I see the Guardian as the manifestation of darkness within Terra-Xehanort's heart. With the strenght of his heart and the desire to be one with the darkness he can then control it as an extention of himself. These are just my thoughts reguarding what the Guardian might be. It's simply an hypothesis. Edited December 15, 2015 by geocenter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
