KingdomHearts3 2,591 Posted January 22, 2016 He needed them to throw away their identities/selves ( their hearts) and basically be an empty husk to put his heart/heart pieces into so he could take over them through his heart which would slowly consume the vessel. That's also why after they lost their hearts he gave them all new names with the X in them. Some members were good candidates for this - others not for various reasons Xemnas also listed in DDD. I see. He wanted them to truly be nobodies who have no feeling and can't feel even though their heart is replaced. That is where they became vulnerable. So really, the Recusant's sigil is merely for those who disobey and turn against him, not a mark of heresy. Hence, why Sora was able to be tracked throughout his journey in the Realm of Sleep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 22, 2016 I see. He wanted them to truly be nobodies who have no feeling and can't feel even though their heart is replaced. That is where they became vulnerable. So really, the Recusant's sigil is merely for those who disobey and turn against him, not a mark of heresy. Hence, why Sora was able to be tracked throughout his journey in the Realm of Sleep. No the sigil was an easy way to track his vessels (or intended vessels)- a way to keep tabs. Sora was a possible vessel - but only after they couldn't use Roxas or Riku. They were still after Riku in DDD until they realized he could no longer be used and had controlled his darkness. So they moved on to Sora. As for their feelings- Xemnas lied to them and told them they were just pretending to have feelings based off their old memories of how they used to be as humans. He did not want them to grow their own hearts back bc he wanted them to have his heart in them instead. He did not want to encourage them to feel or be around other human hearts that would breed proper conditions for hearts to grow. Hence why he made them RTC immediately after missions and stay away from human contact during said missions as much as possible. 3 Blooming Marluxia, Robbie the Wise and luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingdomHearts3 2,591 Posted January 22, 2016 No the sigil was an easy way to track his vessels (or intended vessels)- a way to keep tabs. Sora was a possible vessel - but only after they couldn't use Roxas or Riku. They were still after Riku in DDD until they realized he could no longer be used and had controlled his darkness. So they moved on to Sora. As for their feelings- Xemnas lied to them and told them they were just pretending to have feelings based off their old memories of how they used to be as humans. He did not want them to grow their own hearts back bc he wanted them to have his heart in them instead. He did not want to encourage them to feel or be around other human hearts that would breed proper conditions for hearts to grow. Hence why he made them RTC immediately after missions and stay away from human contact during said missions as much as possible. Oh wow, so they could have still made contact with humans and not change a thing. When they come in contact with humans, they feel as though they have a heart and that is when they can possibly grow one. What they felt was not because of memories, it was because they had a heart. That is why Xemnas made them isolate themselves as much as possible. This makes sense now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 22, 2016 Oh wow, so they could have still made contact with humans and not change a thing. When they come in contact with humans, they feel as though they have a heart and that is when they can possibly grow one. What they felt was not because of memories, it was because they had a heart. That is why Xemnas made them isolate themselves as much as possible. This makes sense now. Nobodies don't just immediately grow back a heart. Some grow one - others don't- and being around others with hearts, emotions, and experiences helps nobodies grow their own hearts back through their connections to others. Axel is the perfect example of this. 3 luka, Blooming Marluxia and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingdomHearts3 2,591 Posted January 22, 2016 Nobodies don't just immediately grow back a heart. Some grow one - others don't- and being around others with hearts, emotions, and experiences helps nobodies grow their own hearts back through their connections to others. Axel is the perfect example of this. Yes he is a perfect example (Axel? Please. The name's Lea. Got it memorized?). I see. So then because of Xemnas had been around people before and had grown his own heart, he was one of the thirteen. So that means that who did not grow a heart? I'd imagine it is those in Radiant Garden whom we saw in KH3D. What about Demyx, Marluxia, and Larxene? I would think since we see Marluxia's nobodies that his whole betrayal was a set up so he could have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 22, 2016 Yes he is a perfect example (Axel? Please. The name's Lea. Got it memorized?). I see. So then because of Xemnas had been around people before and had grown his own heart, he was one of the thirteen. So that means that who did not grow a heart? I'd imagine it is those in Radiant Garden whom we saw in KH3D. What about Demyx, Marluxia, and Larxene? I would think since we see Marluxia's nobodies that his whole betrayal was a set up so he could have. Xemnas in DDD was brought from the past via time travel. He was basically Xehanort to begin with anyways so he didn't need to technically grow a new nort heart to be norted. Although I do think he did grow a heart ( but that goes into a separate topic and theory I had with him). Besides Axel, Roxas, and Xion we do not really know everyone in the org who officially grew a heart during that time and a member could've grown their own heart back like Axel and not been a proper nort vessel. Those factors are not inclusive. Marluxia and Larxene were traitors and supposedly ( look at Saix and tell me how that makes sense?) that rules them out as vessels according to Xemnas. He could be back with his own goals for all we know. 3 Blooming Marluxia, luka and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted January 22, 2016 They reunite with their original hearts when the said nobody and heartless are destroyed. If they started or did grow a new heart it's prolly merged with the old original one. What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts? Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it. It's based off the same body and soul and memories of said nobody It's just an accumulation of new memories,experiences, and emotions from that time period in their life. When Lea revived he still remembered everything during his time as a nobody bc he's still the same person as Axel just now with his original heart back plus whatever new memories and experiences he had as Axel adding on to it...Of course special nobodies are a diff case though. Sora was a walking heart until he was reunited with Roxas. He did not have an actual real body per se. Ansem possessed someone ( Riku) to get a body. My God, I swear, you are an encyclopedia when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series! You explain things so well and take the words right out of my mouth! Not to mention that you've also mastered the art of Nomura-quoting! X3 But yeah, just like Lea here said, the heart of the Nobody forms a part of the original body's heart as well! 4 Blooming Marluxia, Dio Brando, Robbie the Wise and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingdomHearts3 2,591 Posted January 22, 2016 Xemnas in DDD was brought from the past via time travel. He was basically Xehanort to begin with anyways so he didn't need to technically grow a new nort heart to be norted. Although I do think he did grow a heart ( but that goes into a separate topic and theory I had with him). Besides Axel, Roxas, and Xion we do not really know everyone in the org who officially grew a heart during that time and a member could've grown their own heart back like Axel and not been a proper nort vessel. Those factors are not inclusive. Marluxia and Larxene were traitors and supposedly ( look at Saix and tell me how that makes sense?) that rules them out as vessels according to Xemnas. He could be back with his own goals for all we know. I see. So who grew a heart remains unknown. Thanks for clearing all of this up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultima Spark 753 Posted January 22, 2016 It's amazing how people keep making things far more complicated for themselves than ever intended. 2 Robbie the Wise and Blooming Marluxia reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
