The Lost Master, The Traitor And Xehanort's Keyblade!

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

 

That would be interesting... But I have an idea that the sixth apprentice is actually the traitor (It may have some aspects from one of my fanfiction, but please hear me out). I mean, think about it: this "Master of Masters" they mentioned has an "eye" that allowed him to "see the future", and he may have saw a vision of his sixth apprentice causing a horrendous battle we all know as the "Keyblade War" by having his fellow apprentices turn against each other. With that vision, he wrote down the warning within the five copies of the Book of Prophecies and gave each copy to the Foretellers. He even took the sixth apprentice's Keyblade and hid it away in a world that will evenutally be known as the "Land of Departure" where, from one generation to another, Keyblade Masters watched over (originally the Keyblade of the Sixth Apprentice, but that reason/purpose was lost/forgotten as time passes: much like how the story of the Keyblade War faded away into legends) to prevent the history of the Keyblade War from repeating itself due to the vision regarding the Sixth Apprentice coming true. Which explains why Eraqus' reaction and this following quote "There is a reason the precepts bar us from such knowledge." in this cutscene: 

(Courtesy of Everglow and KH13)

 

As for Eraqus and Xehanort's Master, he/she may have been a Keyblade Master who watched over the Land of Departure without even knowing the world's original purpose. And Xehanort took the Keyblade due to sensing a connection/feeling that the Keyblade is his destiny when he looked up at that Keyblade during the KHIII trailer (Due to the reason that Xehanort is the reincarnation direct descendant of the Sixth Apprentice (if you consider the following theory from HMK: 

))

 

So what do you think?

 

 

Hmm, this is very intriguing!  If this were to be the case, then it'd make sense surrounding the whole mystery regarding the Sixth Foreteller, and how his Keyblade came to be owned by Xehanort!  If Xehanort were indeed a direct descendant of the Sixth Foreteller, then that'd be quite interesting!

[ChocoboScribe 3]

 

That would be interesting... But I have an idea that the sixth apprentice is actually the traitor (It may have some aspects from one of my fanfiction, but please hear me out). I mean, think about it: this "Master of Masters" they mentioned has an "eye" that allowed him to "see the future", and he may have saw a vision of his sixth apprentice causing a horrendous battle we all know as the "Keyblade War" by having his fellow apprentices turn against each other. With that vision, he wrote down the warning within the five copies of the Book of Prophecies and gave each copy to the Foretellers. He even took the sixth apprentice's Keyblade and hid it away in a world that will evenutally be known as the "Land of Departure" where, from one generation to another, Keyblade Masters watched over (originally the Keyblade of the Sixth Apprentice, but that reason/purpose was lost/forgotten as time passes: much like how the story of the Keyblade War faded away into legends) to prevent the history of the Keyblade War from repeating itself due to the vision regarding the Sixth Apprentice coming true. Which explains why Eraqus' reaction and this following quote "There is a reason the precepts bar us from such knowledge." in this cutscene: 

(Courtesy of Everglow and KH13)

 

As for Eraqus and Xehanort's Master, he/she may have been a Keyblade Master who watched over the Land of Departure without even knowing the world's original purpose. And Xehanort took the Keyblade due to sensing a connection/feeling that the Keyblade is his destiny when he looked up at that Keyblade during the KHIII trailer (Due to the reason that Xehanort is the reincarnation direct descendant of the Sixth Apprentice (if you consider the following theory from HMK: 

))

 

So what do you think?

 

 

Definitely a legit guess.  Though how clearly the Master of Masters sees the future I think is still up in the air.  Is he seeing something very clearly or is it a more of a jumbled mess with varying possibilities?  Looking into the future can't be that simple.

 

Though while the Sixth Foreteller does sound like a candidate for the traitor, after I saw this video HMK posted in relation to the Rebirth theory I got some other ideas:

 

It also goes into details about the goat on the Keyblade as well.  Such as what the goat and ram represent as a spirit animal.

 

As a supplementary I'll add a link for some info from the Chinese Zodiac on those born in the year of the goat (and doncha know it's almost Chinese New Year) : http://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/chinese-zodiac/goat.htm

 

I think someone may have mentioned this earlier in this post so forgive me if I sound a little bit like a parrot.

 

The possibility that the traitor is the Master of Masters.  He tells his apprentices "Hey I think there's a traitor amongst you keep a sharp eye out!" which gets them paranoid and eventually turning on each other trying to figure out who the traitor is.  This would get him off the suspect list because, he's someone the Foretellers would trust so he wouldn't go right to the top of the suspect list and him putting on the front of being concerned for his apprentices would help to get him off the suspect list.

 

The way I'd work in the Sixth Apprentice is that they are the red herring.  Five out of six apprentices chosen to receive a sacred text? One was left out?  Sounds like Foreteller number six would have a motive.  Who ever our traitor is would realize by playing to the Foretellers' expectations not only does he get off the suspect list, he also gets a fall guy.  And of one Foreteller were to strike down another Foreteller...that would be smashing Pandora's Box WIDE open.

 

Of course this could also still factor in the Sixth Foreteller being the traitor, witting or unwitting.  In that case, they are a pawn who will eventually be disposed of in a variety of ways, examples: You fight them as a boss, the traitor behind the traitor pulls a "You have outlived your usefulness" on the poor sod, one of the Foretellers kills them, they are consumed by darkness and vanish, or they become a Xehanort vessel.

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Definitely a legit guess.  Though how clearly the Master of Masters sees the future I think is still up in the air.  Is he seeing something very clearly or is it a more of a jumbled mess with varying possibilities?  Looking into the future can't be that simple.

 

Though while the Sixth Foreteller does sound like a candidate for the traitor, after I saw this video HMK posted in relation to the Rebirth theory I got some other ideas:

 

It also goes into details about the goat on the Keyblade as well.  Such as what the goat and ram represent as a spirit animal.

 

As a supplementary I'll add a link for some info from the Chinese Zodiac on those born in the year of the goat (and doncha know it's almost Chinese New Year) : http://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/chinese-zodiac/goat.htm

 

I think someone may have mentioned this earlier in this post so forgive me if I sound a little bit like a parrot.

 

The possibility that the traitor is the Master of Masters.  He tells his apprentices "Hey I think there's a traitor amongst you keep a sharp eye out!" which gets them paranoid and eventually turning on each other trying to figure out who the traitor is.  This would get him off the suspect list because, he's someone the Foretellers would trust so he wouldn't go right to the top of the suspect list and him putting on the front of being concerned for his apprentices would help to get him off the suspect list.

 

The way I'd work in the Sixth Apprentice is that they are the red herring.  Five out of six apprentices chosen to receive a sacred text? One was left out?  Sounds like Foreteller number six would have a motive.  Who ever our traitor is would realize by playing to the Foretellers' expectations not only does he get off the suspect list, he also gets a fall guy.  And of one Foreteller were to strike down another Foreteller...that would be smashing Pandora's Box WIDE open.

 

Of course this could also still factor in the Sixth Foreteller being the traitor, witting or unwitting.  In that case, they are a pawn who will eventually be disposed of in a variety of ways, examples: You fight them as a boss, the traitor behind the traitor pulls a "You have outlived your usefulness" on the poor sod, one of the Foretellers kills them, they are consumed by darkness and vanish, or they become a Xehanort vessel.

Hmm, this is very interesting!  I never thought about it this way!  If the Master Of Masters was indeed the traitor, then wow, that'd be one screwed up situation!  But wow, seeing this video by HMK really made me open my eyes in terms of Sora being related to the 6th Disciple!  The parallels drawn between the two are uncanny! And Xehanort's Keyblade is also an interesting factor!  Gah, there's just so much to dissect!  So much to think about!

 

Oh, how I do love speculating!

[Shimmy 458]

Ah I don't have any real major theories on the traitor but, I'm quite fond of the idea that there is no /real/ traitor among the foretellers. I could see someone (be it the Master of Masters or the dreaded Sixth apprentice or whoever) put in the prophecy about the traitor in order to cause distrust among the foretellers which eventually would lead them to all simultaneously betray each other. 

Take this with a grain of salt because I'm not committing to any theory yet haha, 's just food for thought. 

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Ah I don't have any real major theories on the traitor but, I'm quite fond of the idea that there is no /real/ traitor among the foretellers. I could see someone (be it the Master of Masters or the dreaded Sixth apprentice or whoever) put in the prophecy about the traitor in order to cause distrust among the foretellers which eventually would lead them to all simultaneously betray each other. 

Take this with a grain of salt because I'm not committing to any theory yet haha, 's just food for thought. 

That could also be the case!  Sort of like tossing wood into the fire, to see if sparks fly!  And indeed they flew, for an entire war raged, and thousands upon thousands of Keyblade Wielders met their ends!  Pretty good grain of salt you put in there, Shimmy!

[ChocoboScribe 3]

Hmm, this is very interesting!  I never thought about it this way!  If the Master Of Masters was indeed the traitor, then wow, that'd be one screwed up situation!  But wow, seeing this video by HMK really made me open my eyes in terms of Sora being related to the 6th Disciple!  The parallels drawn between the two are uncanny! And Xehanort's Keyblade is also an interesting factor!  Gah, there's just so much to dissect!  So much to think about!

 

Oh, how I do love speculating!

 

Yes, speculating is quite fun,especially when we have a mystery like this ahead of us!  And yeah, when I first saw this video my mind was pretty blown by seeing the parallels between Sora and Xehanort.  They show all the traits associated with the goat and ram, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

And yeah...imagine what that would be like if the Master of Masters turns out to be the traitor.  This is probably someone the Foretellers have known since they were kids.  :sad:

 

 

I'm quite fond of the idea that there is no /real/ traitor among the foretellers. I could see someone (be it the Master of Masters or the dreaded Sixth apprentice or whoever) put in the prophecy about the traitor in order to cause distrust among the foretellers which eventually would lead them to all simultaneously betray each other. 

Take this with a grain of salt because I'm not committing to any theory yet haha, 's just food for thought. 

 

I like this theory too.  I get the feeling this mystery is going to one of types that plays to your expectations for a while somewhat then POW! The plot attacks with multiple curveballs! 

 

 

That could also be the case!  Sort of like tossing wood into the fire, to see if sparks fly!  And indeed they flew, for an entire war raged, and thousands upon thousands of Keyblade Wielders met their ends!  Pretty good grain of salt you put in there, Shimmy!

 

 

Very tasty salt too.  Seeing as the rest of the world has yet to get Unchained X we don't have a whole lot to go on.  So all we can say for sure is someone stirred up trouble.

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Yes, speculating is quite fun,especially when we have a mystery like this ahead of us!  And yeah, when I first saw this video my mind was pretty blown by seeing the parallels between Sora and Xehanort.  They show all the traits associated with the goat and ram, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

And yeah...imagine what that would be like if the Master of Masters turns out to be the traitor.  This is probably someone the Foretellers have known since they were kids.  :sad:

 

 

 

I like this theory too.  I get the feeling this mystery is going to one of types that plays to your expectations for a while somewhat then POW! The plot attacks with multiple curveballs!  >

 

 

 

 

Very tasty salt too.  Seeing as the rest of the world has yet to get Unchained X we don't have a whole lot to go on.  So all we can say for sure is someone stirred up trouble.

I don't think the Master of Masters (I call him grandmaster to sum it up) is the traitor. Nomura said he only has the role in XBC to warn te Foretellers to keep their heads high and eyes alert for him. Plus, he also said the traitor would stick out and he wears a black coat.

[ChocoboScribe 3]

That makes sense.

 

Ugh! I can't wait much longer for this game! I need to find an English patch for KHX so I can play it on my browser!

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Yes, speculating is quite fun,especially when we have a mystery like this ahead of us!  And yeah, when I first saw this video my mind was pretty blown by seeing the parallels between Sora and Xehanort.  They show all the traits associated with the goat and ram, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

And yeah...imagine what that would be like if the Master of Masters turns out to be the traitor.  This is probably someone the Foretellers have known since they were kids.  :sad:

 

Very tasty salt too.  Seeing as the rest of the world has yet to get Unchained X we don't have a whole lot to go on.  So all we can say for sure is someone stirred up trouble.

Indeed, I wholeheartedly agree!  Speculating is all part of the fun of being a Kingdom Hearts fan!  But yeah, the video did open up my eyes to the parallels between Sora and Xehanort, and after having watched said video, I think to myself...was this Nomura's scheme all along?  Some kind of hidden meaning with the characters?  Which maybe also has something to do with their chess pieces in the Kingdom Hearts III trailer facing together...they mirror themselves, and thus, perhaps are destined to clash from those parallels!

 

Yep, the Foretellers would be quite shocked if the Master Of Masters turned out to be the evil Puppet Master! X_X

 

Gahhh, we need Unchained X soon! D:

[AzureAce 544]

Here's what I think.

 

The Lost Masters: The Foretellers, why? Because the Foretellers are the ones who caused the original Keyblade War.

 

The Traitor(s): Honestly, this is a tricky one. My bets are on either Vulpeus or Leopardis. Why? Vulpeus attacks the player, unprovoked, when the player is trying to find Ephemera in Chi, and makes the excuse of "testing your strength" Vulpeus is also the only one of the five Foretellers to be given a name, being Master Ava, which leads me to believe, she is of more importance than meets the eye. The creators wouldn't just name only one of the five Foretellers for no reason, that cannot and is not a coincidence, which is why I strongly believe Master Ava is the traitor.

 

Master Xehanort's Keyblade: This is also pretty tricky territory because none of us really know of its origin. All we know is that it is the oldest Keyblade in existence and that it and its will has been passed down many generations to where it is at today. It most definitely belongs to Young Xehanort's Master, who I believe is the Master of Masters, the original Master. The 6th Foreteller. But that's all heavy speculation. There's no real way of telling until we get our hands on 2.8

 

Edit: I forgot to include my reason for suspecting Leopardis. It's no where near as strong a theory as Vulpeus, but he's very nonchalant to the idea of there being a traitor among the Foretellers.

Edited January 31, 2016 by AzureAce

[Shimmy 458]

Edit: I forgot to include my reason for suspecting Leopardis. It's no where near as strong a theory as Vulpeus, but he's very nonchalant to the idea of there being a traitor among the Foretellers.

 

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I've been hearing this so much: What gives the indication that Leopardos is apathetic about the whole scenario?

"It's written on that page that one will betray us all." He's really just stating a fact here yet a lot of people mark him as suspicious, huh. Unless I'm missing something?

 

Again, I'm just curious as to why everyone is marking this as indifference. I really don't get that intuition whatsoever? But I wouldn't mind hearing reasoning of course.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Shimmy

[AzureAce 544]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I've been hearing this so much: What gives the indication that Leopardos is apathetic about the whole scenario?

"It's written on that page that one will betray us all." He's really just stating a fact here yet a lot of people mark him as suspicious, huh. Unless I'm missing something?

 

Again, I'm just curious as to why everyone is marking this as indifference. I really don't get that intuition whatsoever? But I wouldn't mind hearing reasoning of course.

Listen to his voice in the trailers for 2.8. His tone of voice is very nonchalant and uncaring, as if he trying to play it off.

[Shimmy 458]

Listen to his voice in the trailers for 2.8. His tone of voice is very nonchalant and uncaring, as if he trying to play it off.

Huh I don't really hear it. Oh well.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Here's what I think.

 

The Lost Masters: The Foretellers, why? Because the Foretellers are the ones who caused the original Keyblade War.

 

The Traitor(s): Honestly, this is a tricky one. My bets are on either Vulpeus or Leopardis. Why? Vulpeus attacks the player, unprovoked, when the player is trying to find Ephemera in Chi, and makes the excuse of "testing your strength" Vulpeus is also the only one of the five Foretellers to be given a name, being Master Ava, which leads me to believe, she is of more importance than meets the eye. The creators wouldn't just name only one of the five Foretellers for no reason, that cannot and is not a coincidence, which is why I strongly believe Master Ava is the traitor.

 

Master Xehanort's Keyblade: This is also pretty tricky territory because none of us really know of its origin. All we know is that it is the oldest Keyblade in existence and that it and its will has been passed down many generations to where it is at today. It most definitely belongs to Young Xehanort's Master, who I believe is the Master of Masters, the original Master. The 6th Foreteller. But that's all heavy speculation. There's no real way of telling until we get our hands on 2.8

 

Edit: I forgot to include my reason for suspecting Leopardis. It's no where near as strong a theory as Vulpeus, but he's very nonchalant to the idea of there being a traitor among the Foretellers.

Okay, Transcendent what's his name's not here, so I, your friendly neighborhood Deadpool, will keep discussing this topic in his absence!  *Brings out reading glasses and gets a notepad and a pencil and sits on a comfortable couch.* 

 

Okay, so on your first note, you may be right about the Five Amigos being the Lost Masters, although some people think it's Earthman, Watergal and Windboy!  But yeah, I'd like to think the whole "Lost Masters" term referring to the Five Amigos, so that's a possible yes!

 

On your second note, I find it interesting!  So this Ava chick is a fox girl?  Hehe, a foxy lady, huh? Could be my kind of gal!  But now that I think about what you said, I find it strange she's the only one with a known name, so you could be on to something!  Leopardude could probably be high on the suspect list too, since as you said, the guy's a shady mother lover!  I wonder what's going on in his mind!?  I must investigate! *Makes evil scientist hand gesture.*

 

Aaaand on your last note, well, that's really all up in the air!  Before the old geezer had it, I'm sure someone higher up in the power hungry food chain had it a hell long time ago, so you could be right about that!  But, we won't know anything until we get ourselves 2.8!  But in the meantime, we could hire Sherlock Holmes to find this out for us!  Or maybe I'll give a holla to Professor X?

 

Anyways, this is all interesting stuff!  It's no wonder that Transcendent what's his name loves these games!  They get ya hooked!  

[Carius229 2]

The Grand Master, in my eyes, isn't using  Xehanort's Keyblade. I believe he crafted the Master's Defender keyblade that Master Eraqus and master Aqua wield. He left and founded the Land of Departure. Or he and his six followers did and then he went poof to who knows where. Maybe the RoD since we never got an answer as to who talked to Sora in the beginning and end of KH I. That may indicate he's been traveling through the RoD  this whole time, like Aqua.  Or perhaps he's in the Realm of Sleep? Remember in KH DDD Sora stayed in slumber, causing Dream Eaters to appear in the Realm of Light. Riku saw and teamed up with them. The Grand Master created the Chirthy Dream Eaters. For them to appear in the eventual Realm of Light, someone would have to be asleep to allow their presence.

 

As for the traitor, I think it's still the sixth apprentice who wears his black coat. After the conclusion of the Unions and the Keyblade War this sixth apprentice leaves behind knowledge of the X-Blade, the different versions of Kingdom Hearts, a Book of Prophecy which shows Xehanort the future. Hence why he saw  the Mark of Mastery exam happening in the future for KH DDD. The fact that Xehanort took the Sixth Apprentice's keyblade  is what lead him to let's call it the Sixth Apprentice's vault. We've seen keyblades guide their wielder to where they have to go. Sora, and Ventus show this. So why not Xehanort as well? I think his keyblade guided him to al the knowledge he has during KH BBS.

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The Grand Master, in my eyes, isn't using  Xehanort's Keyblade. I believe he crafted the Master's Defender keyblade that Master Eraqus and master Aqua wield. He left and founded the Land of Departure. Or he and his six followers did and then he went poof to who knows where. Maybe the RoD since we never got an answer as to who talked to Sora in the beginning and end of KH I. That may indicate he's been traveling through the RoD  this whole time, like Aqua.  Or perhaps he's in the Realm of Sleep? Remember in KH DDD Sora stayed in slumber, causing Dream Eaters to appear in the Realm of Light. Riku saw and teamed up with them. The Grand Master created the Chirthy Dream Eaters. For them to appear in the eventual Realm of Light, someone would have to be asleep to allow their presence.

 

As for the traitor, I think it's still the sixth apprentice who wears his black coat. After the conclusion of the Unions and the Keyblade War this sixth apprentice leaves behind knowledge of the X-Blade, the different versions of Kingdom Hearts, a Book of Prophecy which shows Xehanort the future. Hence why he saw  the Mark of Mastery exam happening in the future for KH DDD. The fact that Xehanort took the Sixth Apprentice's keyblade  is what lead him to let's call it the Sixth Apprentice's vault. We've seen keyblades guide their wielder to where they have to go. Sora, and Ventus show this. So why not Xehanort as well? I think his keyblade guided him to al the knowledge he has during KH BBS.

That's quite a juicy theory you got there, bub!  Could be that old timer Grandmaster has been working behind the scenes and we just don't know it!  Maybe he's been trying to help the heroes on their journeys!  But if that'd be the case, he'd be an immortal mother lover!  Like me!

 

And as for the traitor, you could be right about that!  But that's all still a big "who's who?" situation!  But if Amigo Numero Six did leave behind some X-Blade trivia, then maybe that explains how old geezer knows so much about everything and plans ahead for the future!  Or maybe he has Professor X's powers but makes sure no one knows it?  Nobody knows!!!

 

But yeah, interesting stuff there!

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

That's quite a juicy theory you got there, bub!  Could be that old timer Grandmaster has been working behind the scenes and we just don't know it!  Maybe he's been trying to help the heroes on their journeys!  But if that'd be the case, he'd be an immortal mother lover!  Like me!

 

And as for the traitor, you could be right about that!  But that's all still a big "who's who?" situation!  But if Amigo Numero Six did leave behind some X-Blade trivia, then maybe that explains how old geezer knows so much about everything and plans ahead for the future!  Or maybe he has Professor X's powers but makes sure no one knows it?  Nobody knows!!!

 

But yeah, interesting stuff there!

The grandmaster has a small role. His role is telling the Foretellers to keep their heads high and eyes alert for the traitor. That's it. The traitor is the sixth apprentice wearing the black coat we have seen. Nomura said so in an interview. It was said in a confusing order, but that's what he said.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

The grandmaster has a small role. His role is telling the Foretellers to keep their heads high and eyes alert for the traitor. That's it. The traitor is the sixth apprentice wearing the black coat we have seen. Nomura said so in an interview. It was said in a confusing order, but that's what he said.

Hmm, okay, I get the gist!  But still, can't help but wonder what's gonna happen next!  I'd bet my healing factor something big will happen, and it's gonna rock us all to our core!!!!

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Hmm, okay, I get the gist!  But still, can't help but wonder what's gonna happen next!  I'd bet my healing factor something big will happen, and it's gonna rock us all to our core!!!!

Of course. Naturally it will.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Of course. Naturally it will.

Yep!  Huh, Keyblades sure are powerful, though.  If I could get my hands on one, I'd probably be invincible!  Well hell, I'm already invincible!  But a touch of a little more invincibility doesn't hurt, right?

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Yep!  Huh, Keyblades sure are powerful, though.  If I could get my hands on one, I'd probably be invincible!  Well hell, I'm already invincible!  But a touch of a little more invincibility doesn't hurt, right?

You? You think you could get one so easily? HA! As if! It chooses its wielder. It goes by its and Kingdom Hearts' terms. No one can assume it will be theirs.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

You? You think you could get one so easily? HA! As if! It chooses its wielder. It goes by its and Kingdom Hearts' terms. No one can assume it will be theirs.

Ah, is that a challenge!?  I'm Deadpool!  I can do anything!!!  I even killed the entire Marvel Universe!!!!

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Ah, is that a challenge!?  I'm Deadpool!  I can do anything!!!  I even killed the entire Marvel Universe!!!!

Nonetheless, the keyblade makes the choice. You could hold on to one, but it will not remain with you unless it decides to. Just as it chose the Foretellers and seven lights.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Nonetheless, the keyblade makes the choice. You could hold on to one, but it will not remain with you unless it decides to. Just as it chose the Foretellers and seven lights.

Hmm...most interesting...