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[Guest]

This is news to you?

 

Not really, just needed a definitive confirmation and this plot point was exactly that.

 

In all seriousness, from what I can gather, if X and Unchained X are alternate dimensions, we can assume that one of these two dimensions is Daybreak Town in the "actual distant past" and that the other is either a digital recreation (like Re: Coded), or, Daybreak Town trapped in The Realm of Sleep.

[Salve-SiS 125]

Not really, just needed a definitive confirmation and this plot point was exactly that.

 

In all seriousness, from what I can gather, if X and Unchained X are alternate dimensions, we can assume that one of these two dimensions is Daybreak Town in the "actual distant past" and that the other is either a digital recreation (like Re: Coded), or, Daybreak Town trapped in The Realm of Sleep.

 

YES. THAT. I actually believe Kingdom Hearts X takes place in the Realm of Sleep, while Unchained X is the actual past. 'Unchained', anyone? Unchained means to break loose-and in the Realm of Sleep things are in a continuous loop. 

 

But this begs the question-how is Ephemera communicating to us from 'real' Daybreak Town into the Daybreak Town of the RoS? If he's in the real Daybreak Town, then how is Daybreak Town in the RoS at the same time?

 

What if-What if!- Unchained means the entire real world?  Like, KH1, KH2, every other game in the series, it's ALL Unchained because they're in the real world. So Unchained X is the actual past happening, and it leads into the rest of the series, while X is a repeat of everything. This means when Ava says Ephemera is 'Unchained', she isn't saying he's in the real daybreak town now-this could mean he's in THE REAL WORLD AFTER THE KEYBLADE WAR. 

 

Which could mean two things: Either Ephemera survived the Keyblade War and escaped Daybreak Town before it fell, or he was taken out of the Realm of Sleep and into the Realm of Light (most likely by the Unknown Figure). I find the second option more likely.

 

Doesn't this mean X itself is in the present time? The events depicted in X are from the past, but the the Town itself-that's in the present time? In the Realm of Sleep time is iffy. If THAT'S the case, then maybe...Ephemera is alive in the present time as well? 

[Guest]

YES. THAT. I actually believe Kingdom Hearts X takes place in the Realm of Sleep, while Unchained X is the actual past. 'Unchained', anyone? Unchained means to break loose-and in the Realm of Sleep things are in a continuous loop. 

 

But this begs the question-how is Ephemera communicating to us from 'real' Daybreak Town into the Daybreak Town of the RoS? If he's in the real Daybreak Town, then how is Daybreak Town in the RoS at the same time?

 

What if-What if!- Unchained means the entire real world?  Like, KH1, KH2, every other game in the series, it's ALL Unchained because they're in the real world. So Unchained X is the actual past happening, and it leads into the rest of the series, while X is a repeat of everything. This means when Ava says Ephemera is 'Unchained', she isn't saying he's in the real daybreak town now-this could mean he's in THE REAL WORLD AFTER THE KEYBLADE WAR. 

 

Which could mean two things: Either Ephemera survived the Keyblade War and escaped Daybreak Town before it fell, or he was taken out of the Realm of Sleep and into the Realm of Light (most likely by the Unknown Figure). I find the second option more likely.

 

Doesn't this mean X itself is in the present time? The events depicted in X are from the past, but the the Town itself-that's in the present time? In the Realm of Sleep time is iffy. If THAT'S the case, then maybe...Ephemera is alive in the present time as well? 

 

To make sure I'm still making sense, I'll place a distinction here...

 

Unchained X = Distant Past

X = Sleeping World/Data Recreation

 

In Kingdom Hearts 3D, it's been established that beings in the real world can go into the realm of sleep if they are able to dive into sleeping worlds. The Unchained X Ephemera would have presumably escaped Daybreak Town through a variety of means before Daybreak Town goes into the Realm Of Sleep/Transforms/Gets digitally recreated. Unchained X Ephemera would be able to communicate to the player as an outside being like KH3D Sora and Riku did when they traveled through sleeping worlds. 

[Salve-SiS 125]

To make sure I'm still making sense, I'll place a distinction here...

 

Unchained X = Distant Past

X = Sleeping World/Data Recreation

 

In Kingdom Hearts 3D, it's been established that beings in the real world can go into the realm of sleep if they are able to dive into sleeping worlds. The Unchained X Ephemera would have presumably escaped Daybreak Town through a variety of means before Daybreak Town goes into the Realm Of Sleep/Transforms/Gets digitally recreated. Unchained X Ephemera would be able to communicate to the player as an outside being like KH3D Sora and Riku did when they traveled through sleeping worlds. 

 

So Unchained X Ephemera=Real Ephemera.

 

Do you think it's possible for someone who was stuck in a Sleeping World to be woken up without waking up the world itself? Like, what if Ephemera WAS on Daybreak Town when it fell, and he's been reliving the events of the beginning of the Keyblade War like everyone else, but then he became 'Unchained'. Becoming Unchained could mean he was freed from the chains of the sleeping world (you know, stuck in a loop of events), and managed to make his way into the Realm of Light (thus conversing from another dimension). That doesn't answer WHEN in time he managed to get out, but that's another question for another time. 

 

Personally, I think Ephemera managed to escape the realm of sleep somehow and is now in the Realm of Light in the present day...that would certainly make it possible for him to appear in III. Nomura did hint Ephemera might become a part of the main story of Kingdom Hearts III.

[Guest]

So Unchained X Ephemera=Real Ephemera.

 

Do you think it's possible for someone who was stuck in a Sleeping World to be woken up without waking up the world itself? Like, what if Ephemera WAS on Daybreak Town when it fell, and he's been reliving the events of the beginning of the Keyblade War like everyone else, but then he became 'Unchained'. Becoming Unchained could mean he was freed from the chains of the sleeping world (you know, stuck in a loop of events), and managed to make his way into the Realm of Light (thus conversing from another dimension). That doesn't answer WHEN in time he managed to get out, but that's another question for another time. 

 

Personally, I think Ephemera managed to escape the realm of sleep somehow and is now in the Realm of Light in the present day...that would certainly make it possible for him to appear in III. Nomura did hint Ephemera might become a part of the main story of Kingdom Hearts III.

 

The thing is, Chi Ephemera is an extension of Daybreak Town's sleeping world. What I mean by that is that, all the characters in the sleeping world Daybreak Town are just remnants of the worlds themselves and not actual beings. For instance, the real Monstro was large enough to wander outside its own world, yet, in Pranksters Paradise, Monstro is still under the sea in the Pranksters Paradise world. Once a sleeping world wakes up, the beings and events recreated in the sleeping world no longer occur, therefore, Dream Drop Distance's Pinocchio, Jiminy, Blue Fairy and Gepetto would no longer exist.

 

Back to your question, a person who inhabits a sleeping world cannot "wake up" because they are the extension of the sleeping world itself. However, we cannot rule out the possibility of an inhabitant leaving their sleeping world. Let me elaborate with a theory here. Xehanort needs vessels for the inevitable Keyblade War. He cannot get the real Foretellers, because, they are no longer (hypothetically) around or available in his timeline. However, because Daybreak Town is in the Realm Of Sleep, Xehanort could manipulate the "Sleeping world" Foretellers of their true identity as fallacies. The Foretellers that reside in the "Sleeping world" would be disheartened by that and Xehanort would be able to transform them from extension of a "Sleeping world" to beings he can use as vessels. 

 

As far as Ephemera's fate, he's definitely a survivor, as far as how he survived, he could either be in a Ventus situation in which he needs to stay in a deep sleep in order to recover from the Keyblade War, or, he's trapped in the Realm of Darkness (this seems like a more likely probability due to 2.8's correlation).

[Salve-SiS 125]

The thing is, Chi Ephemera is an extension of Daybreak Town's sleeping world. What I mean by that is that, all the characters in the sleeping world Daybreak Town are just remnants of the worlds themselves and not actual beings. For instance, the real Monstro was large enough to wander outside its own world, yet, in Pranksters Paradise, Monstro is still under the sea in the Pranksters Paradise world. Once a sleeping world wakes up, the beings and events recreated in the sleeping world no longer occur, therefore, Dream Drop Distance's Pinocchio, Jiminy, Blue Fairy and Gepetto would no longer exist.

 

Back to your question, a person who inhabits a sleeping world cannot "wake up" because they are the extension of the sleeping world itself. However, we cannot rule out the possibility of an inhabitant leaving their sleeping world. Let me elaborate with a theory here. Xehanort needs vessels for the inevitable Keyblade War. He cannot get the real Foretellers, because, they are no longer (hypothetically) around or available in his timeline. However, because Daybreak Town is in the Realm Of Sleep, Xehanort could manipulate the "Sleeping world" Foretellers of their true identity as fallacies. The Foretellers that reside in the "Sleeping world" would be disheartened by that and Xehanort would be able to transform them from extension of a "Sleeping world" to beings he can use as vessels. 

 

As far as Ephemera's fate, he's definitely a survivor, as far as how he survived, he could either be in a Ventus situation in which he needs to stay in a deep sleep in order to recover from the Keyblade War, or, he's trapped in the Realm of Darkness (this seems like a more likely probability due to 2.8's correlation).

 

How does this seem to be more likely (I'm not trying to be mean, I just really wanna know why you think he could be in the Realm of Darkness)? So you think he could still be alive and present in III? 

 

BTW, What actually happens to the people who WERE on their worlds when they were destroyed? Worlds destroyed by the Heartless become Sleeping Worlds, correct? Survivors end up on Traverse Town, what happens to the people who didn't make it? They don't die, and they come back as soon as the world wakes up...Has Nomura ever explained this?  

Edited October 4, 2015 by Salve-SiS

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

The thing is, Chi Ephemera is an extension of Daybreak Town's sleeping world. What I mean by that is that, all the characters in the sleeping world Daybreak Town are just remnants of the worlds themselves and not actual beings. For instance, the real Monstro was large enough to wander outside its own world, yet, in Pranksters Paradise, Monstro is still under the sea in the Pranksters Paradise world. Once a sleeping world wakes up, the beings and events recreated in the sleeping world no longer occur, therefore, Dream Drop Distance's Pinocchio, Jiminy, Blue Fairy and Gepetto would no longer exist.

 

Back to your question, a person who inhabits a sleeping world cannot "wake up" because they are the extension of the sleeping world itself. However, we cannot rule out the possibility of an inhabitant leaving their sleeping world. Let me elaborate with a theory here. Xehanort needs vessels for the inevitable Keyblade War. He cannot get the real Foretellers, because, they are no longer (hypothetically) around or available in his timeline. However, because Daybreak Town is in the Realm Of Sleep, Xehanort could manipulate the "Sleeping world" Foretellers of their true identity as fallacies. The Foretellers that reside in the "Sleeping world" would be disheartened by that and Xehanort would be able to transform them from extension of a "Sleeping world" to beings he can use as vessels. 

 

As far as Ephemera's fate, he's definitely a survivor, as far as how he survived, he could either be in a Ventus situation in which he needs to stay in a deep sleep in order to recover from the Keyblade War, or, he's trapped in the Realm of Darkness (this seems like a more likely probability due to 2.8's correlation).

 

How does this seem to be more likely (I'm not trying to be mean, I just really wanna know why you think he could be in the Realm of Darkness)? So you think he could still be alive and present in III? 

 

Plot twist: Ephemera = Xehanort.

 

Lol, JK. X)

 

Although he curiously has a similar looking colorscheme, but I wouldn't put any stock in that.

 

Anyway, it's interesting seeing the theories you guys are throwing around, I feel like there might be something to that. One way or another the Realm of Sleep is heavily involved somehow, and yet the events we are seeing are confirmed to be from the furthest point in the series' past. So the possibility of one game being in the actual past while another is set in a Dream World of the past would make sense. Just figuring out how it works will probably take another year's worth of story updates tho. Either way, I hope that for those of us in the West, we'll be able to get the full grasp of the story, despite X being seemingly exclusive to Japan.

[Epi Carrero 6]

Ok so I wanna get this straight...we meaning ''us'' ,the players, are in the realm of sleep? 

[Guest]

Ok so I wanna get this straight...we meaning ''us'' ,the players, are in the realm of sleep? 

 

Yes. "we/us" in the X Universe is the Avatar player.

 

 

How does this seem to be more likely (I'm not trying to be mean, I just really wanna know why you think he could be in the Realm of Darkness)? So you think he could still be alive and present in III? 

 

BTW, What actually happens to the people who WERE on their worlds when they were destroyed? Worlds destroyed by the Heartless become Sleeping Worlds, correct? Survivors end up on Traverse Town, what happens to the people who didn't make it? They don't die, and they come back as soon as the world wakes up...Has Nomura ever explained this?  

 

With Ephemera being in the realm of darkness, a Foreteller like Anguis may have banished him there. As far as the location of the original Foretellers, they too may be in The Realm of Darkness due to being overtaken by the Darkness they fostered whilst hunting for Lux (the light) and fighting in the Keyblade War. 

[Nathan Hatton 274]

Kingdom Hearts is essentially the Flash now... Time travel and the multiverse. But at this point, I don't even care how convoluted it gets. Think of everything as just another zipper on the costume of Kingdom Hearts fandom.

[kristi-swat 61]

well the way I see it "Unchained" isn't another world...on the playthrough it is said based on the translation that : "he is in another world besides the free one that we call "Unchained", "...based on this, my conclusion is that the world that the player is on X is called Unchained...if it meant that Unchained was another world then the translation should have been like this "he is in another world besides the free one, that we call "Unchained"...commas make all the difference :S

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I so wish they would explain this unchained realm a little more. It would be nice if they would just get the whole story out and be done with it so we don't have to wait.