theroy: kairi is the reincarnation of the orginal princess of heart

[gosoxtim 52]

as we all know after the war the princess of heart came to exstience but what if there just one princess before then and she was the light that help protect kingdom hearts but after war ended she had to seprate herself in seven pieces of light which came the princess of hearts and she was reborn into kairi.

 

Edited September 30, 2015 by gosoxtim

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Because the prophecy says the original Xblade was broken into 20 pieces after the first Keyblade War - 13 dark and 7 light. The 7 light pieces are the PoH's hearts.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I don't think she is a reincarnated PoH. She is a princess and soon to be one of the seven. It only takes seven pure lights and thirteen pure darknesses to forge the X-blade. It will be either the seven and thirteen clash or the thirteen and seven princesses of heart to forge the X-blade.

[gosoxtim 52]

I don't think she is a reincarnated PoH. She is a princess and soon to be one of the seven. It only takes seven pure lights and thirteen pure darknesses to forge the X-blade. It will be either the seven and thirteen clash or the thirteen and seven princesses of heart to forge the X-blade.

correct she a princess and one  of the seven but is she more then that could she be the  key to return  hearts and could she be the recinareted princeess of heart before the seven

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I don't think she is a reincarnated PoH. She is a princess and soon to be one of the seven. It only takes seven pure lights and thirteen pure darknesses to forge the X-blade. It will be either the seven and thirteen clash or the thirteen and seven princesses of heart to forge the X-blade.

 

Pure is up for debate considering Xehanort can use the 7 GoL instead of the PoH. Also his 13 darkness's are not the original and are fabricated. I wonder if this can be a kink in his plans. lolz

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Pure is up for debate considering Xehanort can use the 7 GoL instead of the PoH. Also his 13 darkness's are not the original and are fabricated. I wonder if this can be a kink in his plans. lolz

Hmm... who knows? Maybe that is a kink.

[Ninkoro 123]

Actually this brings up a good question; when a princess of heart dies, is their heart reincarnated? The description of chi says it takes place some 100 years ago, so obviously none of the POH were alive at the start. So the only explination is reincarnation, right?

 

Also where are the original 13 pieces of darkness? Could they be like the 7 pieces of light and be within 13 princes of heart? Or are they just lying around in the ROD? Have they formed into 13 imesurably strong 'heartless' who roam the ROD? I seriously want to know! No matter how you look at it, Xeha always tries to form an artifical x-blade, but what about the true original one? Would an artifical really unlock the true kingdom hearts?

Edited September 30, 2015 by Ninkoro

[Guest]

First off, "theroy" lol.  :lol:

 

Seriously, I believe that Kairi is the reincarnation of Vulpeus.

[gosoxtim 52]

First off, "theroy" lol.  :lol: Seriously, I believe that Kairi is the reincarnation of Vulpeus.

I'm not there isn't evidence that kairi is the recincartion of ava beside the color they wear

Edited September 30, 2015 by gosoxtim

[Guest]

I'm not there isn't evidence that kairi is the recincartion of ava beside the color they wear

 

This is a theory by Gelandporn. It's very strong with it's evidence, here's what he has to say about Ava/Vulpeus.

 

"5. Kairi/Vulpeus: Conscientious Objectors. Notice how there is no fifth faction that Xehanort mentions. Consider this one more of a non-faction. She represented all of those who, regardless of ideology, thought that waging a Keyblade War was senseless. It fits Kairi pretty damn well too. This is her purity shining through, and perhaps maybe even how she came to be a Princess of Heart."

[gosoxtim 52]

This is a theory by Gelandporn. It's very strong with it's evidence, here's what he has to say about Ava/Vulpeus.

 

"5. Kairi/Vulpeus: Conscientious Objectors. Notice how there is no fifth faction that Xehanort mentions. Consider this one more of a non-faction. She represented all of those who, regardless of ideology, thought that waging a Keyblade War was senseless. It fits Kairi pretty damn well too. This is her purity shining through, and perhaps maybe even how she came to be a Princess of Heart."

we dont have enough evidence to based this off though

[Guest]

we dont have enough evidence to based this off though

 

Okay, well then, here is the entire quote that I borrowed...

 

Gelandporn: It’s a fairly good bet that the “Lost Masters” Xehanort speaks of at the end of the 2.5 ReMix trailer are the Foretellers. And if that’s the case, then we could in turn guess that the “previous Keyblade Wielders” that Riku and Mickey are supposed to be searching for (based on the KH3 press release) are also the Foretellers.

 

This begs the question—how the hell are the Foretellers still around?

 

Before I give my answer to that question, let me direct your attention to the possible connection between Xehanort and the Foretellers (as blatant as it is):

 

 

Oh look, his keyblade matches the motif of the five Foretellers. All of them have an “eye of darkness” for their keychain. Additionally, the hilt is designed to look like an animal. In Xehanorts’s case, it appears to be a goat, or perhaps even Baphomet.

 

And that’s not all:

 

 

Ok, so my math might be a little fuzzy here, but I believe 5=/=6. Meaning we have one apprentice unaccounted for. Sooooo… who is this sixth apprentice? XEHANORT

 

Wait! I forgot about the thousand or so years that separate the era of the Foretellers and Xehanort.

Right, well, we do have a few time dilation tools at our disposal in the KH universe. Some time travel shenanigans come to mind, but we’ll get to that later. Placing bodies in a state of suspension (eg in the RoD or by losing one’s heart) could also be the source.

But for the hell of it, I’m going to stray off the beaten path and say instead that Xehanort was reincarnated. You heard it here first, folks:

 

Xehanort: Reborn. 

 

While that’s out of left field, it does fit the cyclical nature of the Keyblade War and Master Xehanort’s obsession with destiny. Note here that I’m not saying per se that Xehanort has even more lost memories. Rather, it’s more of a matter of his memory slate being cleansed in the natural process of rebirth. Think of the time traveling Young Xehanort whose future memories are etched into his heart. Xehanort will always have a connection to the Keyblade War—one which spurred his initial fascination and later drove him to obsession.

 

So, reincarnation. A cycle. There are constants in the KH universe which allow for history to repeat itself. Numbers have meaning. Seven lights. Thirteen darknesses. And… Six apprentices? Does anyone else find this story a little familiar? Six apprentices, one of unknown identity, and a missing master? Perhaps Xehanort was fated to play the role of the betrayer, be it of Ansem the Wise or the master of the Foretellers.

 

More broadly, maybe Xehanort is the catalyst by which the universe continues in a cycle of death and rebirth. The Keyblade War marks an end, shepherded in by a Xehanort, but this allows for light to begin anew. A light that is fostered through seven pure individuals.

 

The exact mechanism by which Xehanort could be reborn every thousand or so years is uncertain but not too hard to imagine. All hearts are created out of Kingdom Hearts, and return there in the end. Could the same heart continually be spit out? Probably. It’s a little process I like to call Birth by Sleep.

 

Sleep in the KH series is death. Ergo Birth by Sleep = Birth by Death = Rebirth. “A new beginning.” Xehanort rose from his own ashes. 

 

Convinced yet? Good, neither was I, initially. I mean, there –supposedly—isn’t any precedence in the series for literal reincarnation. Maybe some metaphorical rebirths. So let’s skip to the good stuff. The real meat and potatoes.

 

There are others who have been reborn. The Five Foretellers: Anguis, Leopardos, Unicornis, Ursus, Vulpeus.

We know that these were pseudonyms that their master bestowed upon them so you know what? I’m going to call them by their current names—[spoilers]Aqua, Ventus, Riku, Terra and Kairi, respectively.[/spoilers]

 

 

Yeah that’s right! The biggest giveaway is, in typical Nomura fashion… their fashion. Color-coordination between clothes and hair: Blue, Yellow, Grey, Brown, Pink. Not to mention, the body types match perfectly. Even the palette of some of their keyblades bear a resemblance (Terra and Ursus having the most obvious similarity).

 

But what does it all mean???

From here on, I’m going to make some inferences. Let’s start with the fate of the Foretellers.

 

Well, they were probably lost to the Keyblade War. But what side did they join? Remember, Xehanort tells of the different factions:

 

 

We have reason to believe that a rift grew between the Foretellers based on what Chirithy said. “Also, as you know, even though the five Foretellers share the same goal, they by no means share the same will. So, you mustn't lose sight of it yourself.”

Odds are, I’d say, that each had their own approach to preventing a darkness-filled future, and it’s those irreconcilable differences that actually led to it. A self-fulfilling prophecy. 

 

So maybe, rather than them all joining a side… they WERE the sides. Their infighting snowballed into the full-blown Keyblade War. While it might not match up perfectly, we could definitely assign some of them to a group based on their known personality traits:

1. Aqua/Anguis: Defenders of Light. This is a pretty obvious one. Aqua, like Master Eraqus, believes in the absolute righteousness of the light. Open and shut case.

 

2. Ventus/Leopardos: Servants of Darkness. At first glance, this one appears to be contradictory, but when you stop to think about it, it does make sense. We’re used to meek ol’ Ven being such a light-hearted (literally) individual. But what about before the split from his dark side? We know so little about that Ven. With Xehanort having considered the possibility of using Ven as his vessel, I’m sure Ven had a great capacity for darkness (that he refused to use), hence why Vanitas was so strong. And remember, darkness does not necessarily equate to being evil… Perhaps Leopardos, tasked with upholding a light which created so much hatred between the other Foretellers, realized that maybe it was the darkness in need of saving—against the “Tyranny of Light,” which Xehanort as the 6th apprentice would convince him of. Hence why Ven continued to follow Xehanort even in his next life.

 

3. Riku/Unicornis: Reconcilers of Dawn (or whatever you want to call them). This is another obvious one. Riku, the road to dawn… yeah.

 

4. Terra/Ursus: Seekers of Power. Another one which might not be readily apparent. Your first instinct might be to brand Terra as a Servant of Darkness. While Terra was by no means selfish, I’d say above all he was about power. Seeking the strength to protect what matters is what led him down his path. Eraqus flat out calls him out on his “obsession with power.”

 

5. Kairi/Vulpeus: Conscientious Objectors. Notice how there is no fifth faction that Xehanort mentions. Consider this one more of a non-faction. She represented all of those who, regardless of ideology, thought that waging a Keyblade War was senseless. It fits Kairi pretty damn well too. This is her purity shining through, and perhaps maybe even how she came to be a Princess of Heart.

So where does Xehanort fall in all of this? One would think he too would be a Servant of Darkness. And maybe that’s the case, but I can imagine that as the Judas of the group he’s above all else concerned with ensuring that the Keyblade War will be waged. He doesn’t fall on any one side so much as he is the instigator of the war through whatever means possible, whispering into each member’s ear suggestions and temptations. 

 

As for what this says about the future, it can’t be a coincidence that most of the Foretellers are now going to become Guardians of Light. So maybe the original Guardians of Light were Riku, Kairi, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Xehanort... and Mickey. As a quick aside for Mickey, I think reincarnation definitely works, as odd as it sounds. Mickey has had countless iterations over the years, and this provides an in-universe explanation for it without having to weave them all into a single lifetime. 

 

The band’s getting back together and they’re at least one member short--Xehanort. I mean, let’s be real here. They’re going to find Aqua. Ven’s heart will be restored. And would it be any surprise that Terra defects from the Seekers of Darkness? Of course not. 

So basically, that just leaves Sora. I’ll maintain that this is not a fated role for him. I’m sticking with the “normal boy” narrative. Sora came to be a Guardian of Light by accident and through his own power. There was no past Sora. But still, he does fit the bill quite nicely, acting basically as an anti-Xehanort. He’s all about that group cohesion, forgiving past sins, unity, love and all that jazz.

 

Does that leave the old Foreteller group relegated to the pages of history? Nope. Remember, Riku and Mickey are looking for them. Kinda weird that they’re searching for past versions of characters, but what would Kingdom Hearts be without even more character doubles.

This is where time travel comes into play. If Xehanort can time travel to different periods of his life, could that also extend to the Xehanort of yore? If so, why not pay the Keyblade War a visit and get a firsthand experience? After all, if Young Xehanort can time travel to, say, Xemnas (who is for all intents and purposes a “reborn” version of himself), I’m sure we can extend that law to literal past lives.

 

And what would Xehanort find waiting for him? Well... “Another” Xehanort, hence the meaning of that anagram. This Xehanort would likely fill the role of our requisite “new form” of Xehanort that we get in all of the major titles--Ansem in KH1, Xemnas in KH2, MX in BbS, YX in DDD. 

 

However, I doubt this Xehanort was actually called Xehanort. Remember that the Foretellers’ master gave them new names. Going back to the whole animal theme, would that mean Xehanort is... Goatius? Well, doubtful. This Xehanort was the only one not to receive a tome of prophecy. I imagine this would be because their master found him either unworthy of one or suspect in some manner. Without a tome, perhaps he never received a proper title either. So let’s call him “No Heart.”

 

There’s one motif on the Foretellers’ keyblades which Xehanort’s lacks--a heart. No heart.

 

Now I wouldn’t go so far as to say No Heart was literally heartless. But I’d say he may have been instrumental in creating the Heartless.

Nomura said in the BbS Ultimania that the Heartless have been around for “a long time.” He never said forever. And then if we’re to examine Kairi’s grandmother’s story:

 

 

We can see a likely origin for the Heartless. Darkness has likely been around for as long as light has, but here we see that it was “born.” Given life. So with all of this bedlam that No Heart accomplished, I imagine Xehanort would learn from this. And above all, the most important thing he takes away from what he witnesses is that, in order to succeed in the Keyblade War, he has to keep the Guardians of Light in disarray. 

Sora is going to be his greatest obstacle there because there was no past Sora to stop all of the infighting. Xehanort may bring the Foretellers to the present to quite literally have history repeat itself. To take them at a time when they were at their lowest so they can ensure the destruction of the light in the present.

 

There’s a couple ways I can see him going about this. One would be to directly use the Foretellers’ powers. That is, to bring them into the Nort crew. I’ve seen this suggested a couple times before and it does seem to round out the roster, considering there are at least five unknowns:

 

1. MX

2. Xemnas

3. Ansem

4. Xigbar

5. Saix

6. YX

7. Terranort/Luxord

8. Vanitas

9. Anguis

10. Leopardos

11. Unicornis

12. Ursus

13. Vulpeus

 

The major problem here is how exactly MX could Nortify them (especially Vulpeus if my factions are correct). That and Terranort/Ursus are basically repeats--though with Terra likely defecting, that would leave a spot open for someone, be it Eraqus, No Heart, or whoever.

Another possibility is that Xehanort brings them through the power of persuasion--that “the future needs them” or some such nonsense. They won’t necessarily side with Xehanort, but their clashes will impede the current Guardians regardless.

 

So yeah. That’s about it for now. There’s a lot more I can say on the subject. Might update later.

[blue way finder 3]

Is it possible that Aqua may have originally been one of the princesses of light? Because in BBS Aqua meets young Kairi and places some light into her necklace to protect her. Could it be that She transferred the light from within herself to Kairi before Aqua fell into the realm of darkness? I was thinking that if Aqua was a princess of light couldnt she just poof herself out of the realm of darkness? Also If Kairi was the seventh princess to begin with then who was the seventh before Kairi was even born? This led me to the idea that it may have been Aqua. To my understanding there must always be seven princesses of light at all times correct? So this would kind of maybe hint that Aqua might have been the seventh and explain the idea that reincarnation may apply but also transferring the title of princess of light may exist as well. Im not entirely sure about this theory and want to hear your guys' opinions.

Edited October 6, 2015 by blue way finder