Something i never understood about Xehanort becoming Terra/Xehanort

[FlyingEggplant 116]

Okay this is something i never understood. If i understand the story right Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless (and the first organization members) were created when Terra/Xehanort extracted his own heart after doing experiments on hearts and regaining some of his memories i think that is correct please tell me otherwise, but at the end of Terra's story in BBS Xehanort extracted and entered Terra's body shouldn't that have created a Nobody and a Heartless or did it not since the his heart entered another body? also how can Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless destruction resurrect Xehanort when they were created when Terra and Xehanort were the same person? shouldn't Terra/Xehanort been resurrected instead?

 

This was probably answered in the games, even thought Kingdom Hearts is my favorite game series of all time i might have not picked that up when i was playing

Edited September 24, 2015 by FlyingEggplant

[Sorarocks93 678]

Well we just haven't seen the Nobody of MX when he did that at the end of BBS.

 

Or, there wasn't one created because ther wasn't a Heartless created since the Heart took shelter inside Terra's body. Who knows what happened to MX's body. 

 

Maybe he is the villain to the next saga. (lmao)

 

Also it is widely speculated that Terranort is one of the 13th Darknesses. But that means he was taken by YX through time. It's probable that when both the Heartless and the Nobody was destroyed, both MX and Terra went to their original bodies. 

 

That, or the MX we see at the end of DDD isn't the ressurected one but is also take from time.

 

So we have 3 different paths.

 

1: MX at the end of BBS is from the past and the Heartless + Nobody reformed Terranort so we have to save him.

2: Terranort is the one from the past which means both MX and Terra are free from each other.

3: There are two Terranorts, one from the past and one reformed. Along with MX from the past.

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

yea i think the secret ending to Re:Coded implies that because Xemnas and Ansem were killed, Master Xehanort would return as a result which wouldn't make sense, like you said. So he has to be back in some form I would imagine. 

An interesting way to bring the story around full circle would be to establish Terranort as the big bad for KH3 that Sora and co. must take down. In the first game we fought his heartless, in the second game we fought his Nobody and now in the third game we could fight his original self, thus wrapping things up nicely. I feel like this would have made the story work a bit better. KH1 and 2 establishes the existence of Terranort by having Sora fight his respective heartless and Nobody, then BBS comes out to show the origin of Terranort. We learn that destroying his heartless and Nobody just brings him back and thus we are prepared to fight him for real in KH3 and stop him for good. Then Master Xehanort could just be there by means of time travel.

Or he could just not be there at all because time travel is a terrible idea to introduce to this series...

Edited September 24, 2015 by Headphone Jack

[FlyingEggplant 116]

yea i think the secret ending to Re:Coded implies that because Xemnas and Ansem were killed, Master Xehanort would return as a result which wouldn't make sense, like you said. So he has to be back in some form I would imagine. 

An interesting way to bring the story around full circle would be to establish Terranort as the big bad for KH3 that Sora and co. must take down. In the first game we fought his heartless, in the second game we fought his Nobody and now in the third game we could fight his original self, thus wrapping things up nicely. I feel like this would have made the story work a bit better. KH1 and 2 establishes the existence of Terranort by having Sora fight his respective heartless and Nobody, then BBS comes out to show the origin of Terranort. We learn that destroying his heartless and Nobody just brings him back and thus we are prepared to fight him for real in KH3 and stop him for good. Then Master Xehanort could just be there by means of time travel.

Or he could just not be there at all because time travel is a terrible idea to introduce to this series...

i agree with this, a fight against Terranort would be awesome and maybe they can save Terra in the process

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Two things:

 

1. In BBS MX transferred his heart into Terra's body.( a skill masters can do) He did not lose his heart or succumb it to darkness. Not the same situation. So it's possible bc of that to not have a nobody created. On the other hand maybe there was and it has not been revealed. Which leads me to my second point.

 

2. In DDD it was said that the old man was the newest and most future self so how did this happen?

 

 

Well one way is the heart shapes the vessel and since we know MX's heart eventually won control of Terra's body this could just be a physical indicator of that. ORRRRRRRRR :

 

Since MX's heart did not belong to Terra's body in the first place it's possible in the revival process the hearts went back to their proper correct bodies and Terra and MX were separately revived. To further complicate things, if Xemnas grew a heart himself Terra could've been automatically norted AGAIN upon revival still making him a vessel bc Xemnas was Terra's physical body and soul. What lousy luck

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

• In order for a Nobody to be created, a Heartless must be created before hand. Master Xehanort at the end of BBS did not turn into a Heartless cause his heart was transferred to another body/vessel (Terra). Xehanort's body and soul disappeared, possibly for good, like yours truly.
• It has been speculated that Terra-Xehanort returned from the destruction of Ansem SOD and Xemnas. But it is also speculated that Xehanort's heart manipulated the body to make it look like Master Xehanort. This would make sense cause we've already seen this situation before. We know that the heart can manipulate the body of a being. Ventus' heart manipulated Roxas' body to look like Ventus and Ansem SOD changed Riku's body to make it look like Xehanort in his thirties or forties.

Edited September 24, 2015 by Master Eraqus

[Sorarocks93 678]

Two things:

 

1. In BBS MX transferred his heart into Terra's body.( a skill masters can do) He did not lose his heart or succumb it to darkness. Not the same situation. So it's possible bc of that to not have a nobody created. On the other hand maybe there was and it has not been revealed. Which leads me to my second point.

 

2. In DDD it was said that the old man was the newest and most future self so how did this happen?

 

 

Well one way is the heart shapes the vessel and since we know MX's heart eventually won control of Terra's body this could just be a physical indicator of that. ORRRRRRRRR :

 

Since MX's heart did not belong to Terra's body in the first place it's possible in the revival process the hearts went back to their proper correct bodies and Terra and MX were separately revived. To further complicate things, if Xemnas grew a heart himself Terra could've been automatically norted AGAIN upon revival still making him a vessel bc Xemnas was Terra's physical body and soul. What lousy luck

Wait.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

 

Nomura what have you done!?

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Well keep in mind that Namine and Roxas didn't form until the hearts they came from left the vessil they stayed in, that being Sora. Namine didn't exist because Kairi's body as a Princess couldn't leave the Realm of Light and she couldn't turn into a Heartless, so it left for Sora's body. Once Sora gave up both his and Kairi's hearts Roxas was made, but so was Namine. They were both "born" from Sora because his body could work like any other normal denizen of the Realm of Light. With that in mind, it serves the theory that unless the person is an exception to the rule like a Princess of Heart, their Nobody and Heartless wouldn't form unless they did it the "proper" way, loosing his heart to Darkness or simply having it released and fade away into Darkness, turning into a Heartless, while his body turns into his Nobody. However, because he transferred his heart to another vessil, and his body isn't an exception like Kairi's, it probably just simply vanished. It isn't until Terra-nort lost his heart(s?) and body when he formed Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, Ansem and Xemnas. So Xehanort only got a legit Heartless and Nobody by use of Terra's body, not from anything else.

Edited September 24, 2015 by Hero of Light XIV

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Wait.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

 

Nomura what have you done!?

 

It's actually a really cool theory if this turns out true. But either option I listed is probable.

[Gwynbleidd 551]

It's actually a really cool theory if this turns out true. But either option I listed is probable.

So, if that were to be true, Xemnas would have to be defeated to release Terra?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

So, if that were to be true, Xemnas would have to be defeated to release Terra?

 

Xemnas' heart inside Terra would need to be I imagine. Maybe a fight in the heartstation I guess? Riku should do this fight!

[Gwynbleidd 551]

Xemnas' heart inside Terra would need to be I imagine. Maybe a fight in the heartstation I guess? Riku should do this fight!

That would be very interesting! Give me L'Oscurita Dell'Ignoto and we are golden.

[FlyingEggplant 116]

To further complicate things, if Xemnas grew a heart himself Terra could've been automatically norted AGAIN upon revival still making him a vessel bc Xemnas was Terra's physical body and soul. What lousy luck

I really like this theory but poor Terra I just see it in front of me Terra - I'M FINALLY FREE FROM MASTER XEHANORT'S CONTROLL, now off to find Aqua and VenXemnas - NOPE you're mine nowTerra - god damnit Edited September 24, 2015 by FlyingEggplant

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I really like this theory but poor Terra I just see it in front of meTerra - I'M FINALLY FREE FROM MASTER XEHANORT'S CONTROLL, now off to find Aqua and VenXemnas - NOPE you're mine nowTerra - god damnit

 

Yeah I really want Terra freed too. He's had the worst time considering his whole life was stolen away from an old pedo.  FREE TERRA!!!!!

[KingdomCooperFan 8]

Personally I'm hoping that Terranort is the one who was revived instead of MX and that he'll be the final villain of Kh3. I'd rather fight Xehanort as a younger, faster and more powerful beast rather than Xehanort in an old body that he disposed of in BBS. It kinda ruins the primary point of that body transfer if he just reverts back to his older self.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Since MX's heart did not belong to Terra's body in the first place it's possible in the revival process the hearts went back to their proper correct bodies and Terra and MX were separately revived. To further complicate things, if Xemnas grew a heart himself Terra could've been automatically norted AGAIN upon revival still making him a vessel bc Xemnas was Terra's physical body and soul. What lousy luck

3: There are two Terranorts, one from the past and one reformed. Along with MX from the past.

What if both these things are true? That's 3 new members for the Org. Edited September 24, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[MasterLorX 43]

Personally I'm hoping that Terranort is the one who was revived instead of MX and that he'll be the final villain of Kh3. I'd rather fight Xehanort as a younger, faster and more powerful beast rather than Xehanort in an old body that he disposed of in BBS. It kinda ruins the primary point of that body transfer if he just reverts back to his older self.

totally agree, fighting Terranort would be a lot more cool than fighting the old MXhowever I'm pretty sure (because of YX speaking about his most future self) that the defeat of Ansem SoD and Xemnas brought back to life both MX and Terra, that was surely norted just after his resurrection.at this point I think we have two options:1)in KH3 MX is going to possess again Terra thus creating another Terranort(who will be the main antagonist)2)in KH3 MX and Terra will remain two separate people, probably because MX knows he still have some time before dying and doesn't need another vessel anymore

[Inactive user 59]

well always though its was like this.

 

Terra + Xehanort = Terranort 

When Terra is first seen as Terranort his hair is grey and his eyes are yellow telling you that is no longer Terra its MX in Control 

but later on we see Terranort With Brown eyes, i think its because there mix now not just one in control but both ( a shared heart ) but with MX mind/will and motive since terras mind/will is The lingering Will.

 

Terranort's shared heart divided = Xemnas and X Heartless (Ansem seeker of darkness)

 

Hence why the act and look different and why Xemnas visits his/Terra's "friend" Aqua

There a mixture of both not one. xemnas = terra+ and xehanort- so Ansem = xehanort+ and Terra-

 

so i think that the revived xehanort is terranort and the one seen in DDD is one of the one's that young Xehanort Brought With Him from the past or future

 

nobodies are formed when a heart falls into darkness so i dont think that there was a nobody formed when Xehanort's heart left his body (but i would loved if that happend ) i think Roxas and Namine are special occasion 

 

PS: tell me if i missed something.  

this is just the way i think it goes i'm  sorry for the math   

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

well always though its was like this.

 

Terra + Xehanort = Terranort 

When Terra is first seen as Terranort his hair is grey and his eyes are yellow telling you that is no longer Terra its MX in Control 

but later on we see Terranort With Brown eyes, i think its because there mix now not just one in control but both ( a shared heart ) but with MX mind/will and motive since terras mind/will is The lingering Will.

 

Terranort's shared heart divided = Xemnas and X Heartless (Ansem seeker of darkness)

 

Hence why the act and look different and why Xemnas visits his/Terra's "friend" Aqua

There a mixture of both not one. xemnas = terra+ and xehanort- so Ansem = xehanort+ and Terra-

 

so i think that the revived xehanort is terranort and the one seen in DDD is one of the one's that young Xehanort Brought With Him from the past or future

 

nobodies are formed when a heart falls into darkness so i dont think that there was a nobody formed when Xehanort's heart left his body (but i would loved if that happend ) i think Roxas and Namine are special occasion 

 

PS: tell me if i missed something.  

this is just the way i think it goes i'm  sorry for the math  >. 

 

You missed the part where in DDD it was said that the old man nort was the newest version and most future self. So no the MX we saw was not from the past.The question is why.

Also LW is his thoughts but that doesn't mean it was Terra's entire mind. AX and Xemnas and Ansem were made up of both Terra and MX. We do find out in DDD that Xemnas was controlled mostly by MX since he followed his plans.

[Nweintraub 630]

Back then, Xehanort wasn't part of Ansem's apprentices, so he could not invent Heartless or Nobodies yet.

[Inactive user 59]

You missed the part where in DDD it was said that the old man nort was the newest version and most future self. So no the MX we saw was not from the past.The question is why.

Also LW is his thoughts but that doesn't mean it was Terra's entire mind. AX and Xemnas and Ansem were made up of both Terra and MX. We do find out in DDD that Xemnas was controlled mostly by MX since he followed his plans.

 

i think its because of the knowledge that he has of whats going to happen next. (probably as a countermeasure) idk 

 

unless Xemnas was scheming. lol    (highly unlikely).

He did follow the plan but i've allways wondered, WHY did he visit Aqua? for what purpose?   

 

( i put the + and - signs to show that when they combine there balanced, to show that the end result is terranort )

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

 

i think its because of the knowledge that he has of whats going to happen next. (probably as a countermeasure) idk 

 

unless Xemnas was scheming. lol    (highly unlikely).

He did follow the plan but i've allways wondered, WHY did he visit Aqua? for what purpose?   

 

( i put the + and - signs to show that when they combine there balanced, to show that the end result is terranort )

 

 

I'm a little confused on what you are trying to say here but for your question on Xemnas and Aqua Xemnas might have been following MX's plans but he's still part Terra. Both Ansem and Xemnas were made up of both Terra and MX but followed MX's plans. I would not exactly call it balanced since we know they were following MX's plans but they both carry traits of both characters. You can assume that's why for now since we don't have any more answers to that as of the moment but it makes sense.

 

Anyways the old man nort we saw in DDD was the revived Xehanort and this was stated in game and by Nomura himself. This is not a guess lol

[KingdomCooperFan 8]

totally agree, fighting Terranort would be a lot more cool than fighting the old MXhowever I'm pretty sure (because of YX speaking about his most future self) that the defeat of Ansem SoD and Xemnas brought back to life both MX and Terra, that was surely norted just after his resurrection.at this point I think we have two options:1)in KH3 MX is going to possess again Terra thus creating another Terranort(who will be the main antagonist)2)in KH3 MX and Terra will remain two separate people, probably because MX knows he still have some time before dying and doesn't need another vessel anymore

If they have both returned to being their former selves I'd wager that Xehanort will try to do something to prolong his life. He desired a younger body because he wanted to see what awaited "beyond the Keyblade War" which could last for many, many years. So just using his old body would be risky since there's no guarantee that he won't die of old age before that time.

[Inactive user 59]

I'm a little confused on what you are trying to say here but for your question on Xemnas and Aqua Xemnas might have been following MX's plans but he's still part Terra. Both Ansem and Xemnas were made up of both Terra and MX but followed MX's plans. I would not exactly call it balanced since we know they were following MX's plans but they both carry traits of both characters. You can assume that's why for now since we don't have any more answers to that as of the moment but it makes sense.

 

Anyways the old man nort we saw in DDD was the revived Xehanort and this was stated in game and by Nomura himself. This is not a guess lol

 

I just think that there is more to the Xemnas visiting Aqua's armor thing, i hope that's touch upon in 2.8 or at least in KH3

 

what i meant to say is that i think that the ver. of MX we'll see in KH3 is Terranort. (at first)

 

DDD was a very confusing title for me. lol

I'm sorry if confused anybody. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I just think that there is more to the Xemnas visiting Aqua's armor thing, i hope that's touch upon in 2.8 or at least in KH3

 

what i meant to say is that i think that the ver. of MX we'll see in KH3 is Terranort. (at first)

 

DDD was a very confusing title for me. lol

I'm sorry if confused anybody. 

 

The old man nort we saw in DDD was MX revived in the present  ( this is fact not a theory).The question is why is it him. The only way the old man is Terranort is if Xehanorts heart consumed Terra's and since the heart shapes the vessel it gives Terranort's body the appearance of the old man. In other news  It's also possible to have picked up a version of Terranort from the past for KH3 too. So we can have both in the new org.

 

As for the armor well of course there is we just don't know what and it's most likely bc of Terra.