The Kingdom Hearts series after Xehanort's Saga

[catmaster0116 2,676]

I'd like to think that Nomura has already started story/scenario planning as well as character development for the next KH game after KH3. That man is probably on par with Xehanort in real life in terms of his ability to plan 10 steps ahead of time, although he is quite careful with what he reveals to the public - sometimes subtle dropping clues for the KH fans to read between the lines.

 

What do people think?

Do you agree that a KH game after the Xehanort Saga has already started planning?

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Probably. One of the reasons I look forward to the next saga is because I bet that before the first game of the saga releases, Nomura will have already planned the plot of the entire saga. This would definitely have some benefits since this would have no retcons.

 

Back on topic : A while back Nomura did say that he had a secret movie (or secret ending) in the works for Kingdom Hearts 3. So he most likely already has ideas for the next saga.

[Pokemoncuzzie 271]

Probably. One of the reasons I look forward to the next saga is because I bet that before the first game of the saga releases, Nomura will have already planned the plot of the entire saga. This would definitely have some benefits since this would have no retcons.

 

Back on topic : A while back Nomura did say that he had a secret movie (or secret ending) in the works for Kingdom Hearts 3. So he most likely already has ideas for the next saga.

This so much this. The current saga had so many retcons and alterations and breaking of the game's own logic. But you got to hand it to him, it all makes sense for some reason.

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

i wouldn't give him that much credit. hasn't he been writing this current saga as he goes along? i mean i sure hope he's at least planning things ahead of time for the next saga so the story flows in a more natural way. 

[Sorarocks93 678]

This so much this. The current saga had so many retcons and alterations and breaking of the game's own logic. But you got to hand it to him, it all makes sense for some reason.

Your sig is basically someone's reaction of this entire saga.

i wouldn't give him that much credit. hasn't he been writing this current saga as he goes along? i mean i sure hope he's at least planning things ahead of time for the next saga so the story flows in a more natural way. 

They did say a couple of years back that the next saga will have a more planned story than this one. 

[Komali 594]

We can assume that Unchained X/ Back Cover will be important for the next saga.

[CriticalAssension 161]

Well, I highly doubt he would already be planning the next game in the new saga seeing as he still has to plan the rest of Kingdom Hearts X, Back Cover, 0.2 and Kingdom Hearts 3. If he was...I would slap him across the face.

Edited September 22, 2015 by RealMenSmellStrongCheese

[Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859]

He must have an idea for it. He probably already planned many things, like new characters, their relationship with the current characters, and the main plot ideas. This will change while he's making the games, that's for sure, and the same goes to the current saga, he had probably planned the existance of nobodys while working in KH1, and the existance of Unversed while creating KH2, just like the begining and the end of the saga (that's probably the first thing that he should have thought about), which has probably changed with the creation of more games like BBS and DDD (who knows if he had planned that Sora was going to sleep for a whole year before he started with CoM).

[Smithee 327]

Provided I don't jump ship after KH3 -- thanks, convoluted and depressing storyline -- I would love something without any retcons, Villain Sues, etc., for once.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Alan Smithee

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

Your sig is basically someone's reaction of this entire saga.

They did say a couple of years back that the next saga will have a more planned story than this one. 

well that's definitely good to know. it'll be interesting to see how Nomura handles the story when he actually plans things out. that would give me more incentive to stick around with the series to see how it goes.

[KingdomCooperFan 8]

Well, it's already been confirmed that Sora will always be the main protagonist so there's that.

Also, judging from the recent emphasis on the lore of the KH world (Unchained X) I'm guessing that'll be an important part of the story of future titles.

 

As for how far ahead Nomura has planned the story I wouldn't be surprised if he already has the bigger events of future titles in mind.

Edited September 22, 2015 by KingdomCooperFan

[Salve-SiS 125]

Nomura thinks ahead when planning games, but not that ahead. When he was brainstorming for KHI, he was already thinking of Chain of Memories and II, and while he was making II, he was thinking of BBS and Days. So I'd wager he only thought up the plot of 3D while making BBS, as well as the events of X. When he was creating the first KH, I highly doubt  he'd thought up the X-Blade. 

 

So in a way, he both plans ahead and makes it up as he goes along. So there are maybe a few discrepancies in the series, but for the most part it stays consistent. So in other words, I have no doubt Nomura is already thinking of the next saga after this one. Maybe not fully, like how the next saga will end and stuff, but he's thinking up the beginning of the next saga at least. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Nomura thinks ahead when planning games, but not that ahead. When he was brainstorming for KHI, he was already thinking of Chain of Memories and II, and while he was making II, he was thinking of BBS and Days. So I'd wager he only thought up the plot of 3D while making BBS, as well as the events of X. When he was creating the first KH, I highly doubt  he'd thought up the X-Blade. 

 

So in a way, he both plans ahead and makes it up as he goes along. So there are maybe a few discrepancies in the series, but for the most part it stays consistent. So in other words, I have no doubt Nomura is already thinking of the next saga after this one. Maybe not fully, like how the next saga will end and stuff, but he's thinking up the beginning of the next saga at least. 

Yes he's confirmed in a couple interviews he hadn't planned everything from the start and he writes as he goes. One way he 'thinks' ahead is to leave open ended concepts he can choose to address or not address if it suits him. He was still writing DDD when it went into production and it was thrown together quickly. DDD was retcon city bc of this and contradicted BBS a ton. So it does not always end up consistent. Anyways Nomura has already discussed better planning in the future and having ideas for the future. 

 

• Speaking of the previous titles, about when do you start thinking of the “next title”?

It’s a gradual process. When Kingdom Hearts was in production, I was considering ideas for Kingdom Hearts II and Chain of Memories. And when those two were in production, I was thinking of ideas for the next three, 358/2 Days, Coded, and Birth by Sleep.

 

• Were you thinking of KH3D when those 3 titles were in production?

KH3D was put together relatively quickly, I was still concepting the story when I brought it to the table.

• When the first KINGDOM HEARTS was released, we did not know that the series would continue over the years to reach its tenth birthday. The story chronicles the Seeker of Darkness has it developed progressively games, or did you have in mind an idea of the overall story of this saga from the beginning?

Nomura : When I created the first KINGDOM HEARTS, I did not have a clear vision of the history of the Seeker of Darkness, but I was already thinking of the KINGDOM HEARTS II and Chain of Memories. I knew at that time that there were two additional games after the first KINGDOM HEARTS. Later, when I finished KINGDOM HEARTS Chain of Memories, I had other plans: Birth by Sleep, 358/2 Days and coded. This is kind of what happened in the history of the series: I did not have a clear idea of the whole story from the beginning, but it is built over time.

[SuperSmashDrake 48]

I think the groundwork for the next saga will be laid in KH3. There are so many things going on in the Kingdom Hearts universe its almost impossible for them all to seem important at the time. We will get some setup in KH3 but be too busy fighting Xehanort so it won't stick out at us.

Edited September 22, 2015 by SuperSmashDrake

[Connected 978]

I'm positive that they already have big ideas for the next saga.

[Pokemoncuzzie 271]

i wouldn't give him that much credit. hasn't he been writing this current saga as he goes along? i mean i sure hope he's at least planning things ahead of time for the next saga so the story flows in a more natural way. 

The credit is because for some reason, even though changes are still being made, everything makes perfect sense. You just need to play every single game.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

The credit is because for some reason, even though changes are still being made, everything makes perfect sense. You just need to play every single game.

 And read every single interview and every single report....bwahahaha! Let's be honest here.

[DemyxIsBest 367]

I think there are two possibilities for the main villain after Kingdom Hearts III

1) Maleficent () comes back even more bad-ass and evil than before with a brand new scheme (remember the re:coded secret movie?)

2) An entirely new foe we not yet know of.

 

Yes he's confirmed in a couple interviews he hadn't planned everything from the start and he writes as he goes. One way he 'thinks' ahead is to leave open ended concepts he can choose to address or not address if it suits him. He was still writing DDD when it went into production and it was thrown together quickly. DDD was retcon city bc of this and contradicted BBS a ton. So it does not always end up consistent. Anyways Nomura has already discussed better planning in the future and having ideas for the future. 

 

• Speaking of the previous titles, about when do you start thinking of the “next title”?

It’s a gradual process. When Kingdom Hearts was in production, I was considering ideas for Kingdom Hearts II and Chain of Memories. And when those two were in production, I was thinking of ideas for the next three, 358/2 Days, Coded, and Birth by Sleep.
 

• Were you thinking of KH3D when those 3 titles were in production?

KH3D was put together relatively quickly, I was still concepting the story when I brought it to the table.

• When the first KINGDOM HEARTS was released, we did not know that the series would continue over the years to reach its tenth birthday. The story chronicles the Seeker of Darkness has it developed progressively games, or did you have in mind an idea of the overall story of this saga from the beginning?

Nomura : When I created the first KINGDOM HEARTS, I did not have a clear vision of the history of the Seeker of Darkness, but I was already thinking of the KINGDOM HEARTS II and Chain of Memories. I knew at that time that there were two additional games after the first KINGDOM HEARTS. Later, when I finished KINGDOM HEARTS Chain of Memories, I had other plans: Birth by Sleep, 358/2 Days and coded. This is kind of what happened in the history of the series: I did not have a clear idea of the whole story from the beginning, but it is built over time.

 

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I'd say the series after KH3 will be about bringing the true Kingdom Hearts back from the darkness as told in the tale by Kairi's grandmother.

[blue way finder 3]

I hope Nomura comes up with a super bad ass villain that goes head to head with Sora personally. I feel like Sora doesn't have as much beef with Xehanort compared to Aqua, Terra and Ven do. I'd like to see an enemy aimed more at Sora specifically.