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A Rant About Kingdom Hearts.

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  On 9/16/2015 at 8:46 PM, Le Weedanort ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

See how everyone can have a good discussion without being rude?

 

  :D

Ya almost but the thing I wish people would consider is that not everyone has the same perspective as they do and as I said earlier in my post "people have different circumstances in life I have been trying to get people to consider other peoples circumstances before attacking their perspectives (an example of this would be a person who doesn't have time to wait until 2017 for kh3 because they could be working a job or in college and never have time for it then) I just want people to consider stuff like that before attacking others viewpoints or opinions, I'm going to continue experimenting with this."

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Yes, it is a huge monetary investment. But the amount of time I've played the series and had fun with it more than makes up for that I think.

In the end, companies a bags crap only interested in money, and though Square may not be leading the charge, it's very high up there. 

 

But hey, it's still cheaper than any kind of addiction, so I am okay with it.

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  On 9/16/2015 at 9:40 PM, Shulk said:

As someone who's played every game from KHI to Dream Drop Distance... the story really is convoluted. All of the sudden retcons and plot points they've been tossing in lately have been getting to be a bit too much. Thankfully, DDD had fantastic gameplay, or I wouldn't have liked it at all because of all of its retcons, and the sudden time travel inclusion where it felt unnecessary. There's no problem with people ranting, and it's not pointless. It can help a lot for people to get their thoughts out instead of getting more frustrated over time, but keeping it all to themselves. Ranting doesn't hurt anyone, so I don't see why you're treating it as such a bad thing. Not to mention that criticism helps game developers quite a bit, contrary to what seems to be the popular opinion that criticism is just plain evil and shouldn't exist. As someone who wants to get into game development and has even made a game, if I ignored the criticism I'd received for my game, it would have been terrible, and the criticism I received is actually something that I believe will help me a lot in the future games that I make. Saying that everything is perfect prevents developers from improving, since they'll just believe that they can keep doing exactly what they did before.

To me, the only thing making it convoluted and hard to understand is the inclusion of time travel like you mentioned, otherwise, not so much.

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I do see your point, especially considering that long-time fans usually have played all those games before and may not need the collections, but I think the HD collections serve a purpose that,speaking for myself, goes beyond simple money making. The thing is that the PS2 is no longer made and while you can get another one at a decent price, it is a console that will sooner or later break. It would leave me no other way but to a) invest in another, probably used, console that may cease to function in a month or two to play Kingdom Hearts b) choose the newer console and buy the HD collections there, or c) stop playing it altogether. Personally speaking, the collections are a way for me to ensure that I can continue playing the series and preserve it without using an emulator should one or more consoles stop working. Then there's also the fact that Europe never got Re: Chain of Memories. I played the original game but, as tedious and annoying the gameplay was in my opinion, I wanted to play the newer version with the improved graphics, the voice overs and so on.

 

I partly agree that the additional content of the Final Mix Versions could have been added earlier and some changes were unnecessary (up to this day I have never understood why the Heartless and the Unversed needed different colors for example.) On the other hand some improvements may not have been possible without releasing the original first. But I don't know that so I can't really argue on that.

In the end I'm still glad I got to play them though because there were some very important cutscenes in KH2 that I wanted to experience myself without relying on Youtube so much.

 

Generally I feel that there are several fractions. First there are the fans that complain that it's on too many consoles. They remade CoM for PS2 and remade Coded so people wouldn't need to play a mobile game in an age where smartphones weren't common. (And I think a lot of people asked for Coded since they could not play it on a phone.) Then there are the collections and another fraction complains how they already played those games and SE and Disney are simply milking the franchise for what it's worth. Then those who want KH3, like the collections, but don't want 2.8. Etc. I guess they will never please everyone, simple as that. And I cannot even say a lot against it because you have a valid point as much as the other people have.

 

As I said, I can really understand your frustration when you spent this much money. But buying a console for one game was never really my thing so it was not that much of a waste of money anyway so I cannot relate to it completely. What I do not adhere to is your opinion about thegames other than KH1+2. While the games have obvious flaws, I think most of them were relevant and added quite a bit to the understanding of the plot. New questions arose of course, but I do not think the story is that convoluted, and there will always be questions that will be left unanswered and things which won't make any sense. But if the games are played again, most of it is understandable.

 

At first it seemed like your arguments were against any game that wasn't KH 1 or 2 and even 2 seemed to be regarded quite negatively. But some of the negative aspects can definitely be regarded as such and, while I do not agree with a large portion of your post, I understand your point.

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  On 9/16/2015 at 7:50 PM, DemyxIsBest said:

It's easy to say something just to appease some people. He's the creative director for the whole series, he might not 'show interest', but I can 100% guarantee that with all these flaming spin-offs, it certainly was a factor for him.

I really don't think so, at least it doesn't come off that way. Nomura seems like every decision he makes, he makes with the intention of appeasing fans. Initially, he didn't even want to make CoM on GBA and instead roll right into KHII, it was the little Japanese boys and girls who demanded a KH on GBA that convinced him. With 358, Roxas's story was one he always wanted to tell and doing so on a portable system instead of the (by then, dead) PS2 seemed like the best option. Same thing with Birth by Sleep, the PS2 was dead by the time he got to work on it and so decided to port it to PSP. Re: Coded was done purely so people outside of Japan could experience the mobile game, same thing with why Unchained X is happening.

 

Everything is a business, but I've never gotten the sense that Nomura decided all of this with a grand scheme of 'Just make a KH on every system and profit!' It's not like he profits directly from the fans buying the system, just the games themselves. Every 'spinoff', as you call it, was created for the express purpose if introducing or expanding on something with direct relation to where he wanted to take the story, not because 'If I make a KH game on DS, I'll be rich!' 

 

I get the sentiment that, from a consumer's POV, having to buy all of these systems just to continue the story is BS...which is why the HD collections were made in the first place. Yeah, sure, you can argue it's 'MOH MONEY FO' NOMURA', but given his track record and statements I really do believe everything was done with the intention of satisfying the fans.

 

Everything, from a game focusing on Roxas, a KH game on GBA, to the KH HD collections have all been asked for by fans. None of these were ideas directly and only thought up by Nomura as simply a means of attaining more cash. From some people's point of view, it's all a waste of time getting in the way of what they really want: KHIII. To others, it's simply more content for fans of the series. To Nomura, from what he's said in interviews, all of this was just to expand his story's horizons beyond simply 'a trilogy on the PS2' into something more than that. If Nomura has any faults, it's that he was thinking from the POV of a creator, not a consumer, and that's what led to so many games becoming scattered across many different consoles.

Edited by Kaweebo

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  On 9/16/2015 at 7:38 PM, MickeyTheMick said:

No lol. I play games for fun and the story. I'm not sitting there complaining about every little feature in a game. Some games were more frustrating than others, but oh well. Games are games at the end of the day

This, this and This! I honestly barely complain about the story and gameplay in the kh games. 

Edited by Luke Fon Fabre

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Well, first of all, of course all a company cares about is making money. Without money, they can't make more games, or more of whatever they're business is. Some companies care more about their fans than others, but at the end of the day, every single company in exsistance wants to make money in some way in order to keep going. Even charities; all they want is money because otherwise they can't support anything.

 

And about the money thing; yeah, sure, it gets expensive if you're just getting into the series today, but from my perspective, it doesn't seem like a lot; I bought each game as each one came out. Well, sort of. I played KH1 in 2004 when I randomly stumbled upon it as a kid, then KH2 two years later, then Chain of Memories for the GBA shortly after. So, that's about thirty dollars spent for one day, then about forty or so spent two years later. They were for systems I already had owned and was given to by my parents as gifts, so to their eyes, adding to my collection wasn't that crippling of a desicion considering the timeframe. Then, this continued on and on for the other games, so I won't get into it further. But, you don't HAVE to buy the games. You don't NEED them. It's your own fault for spending hundreds of dollars for buying the stuff, not Squares. They didn't threaten you or anything to buy it.

 

But yeah, to YOU it may seen expensive, but it's all about perspective. Sorry to say that, if you don't have the money, or you can't afford to spend money elsewhere, then tough. That's how it is with everything in the world. I have a job, so I can easily pay for every game that I want that comes out, but it's at a steady pace, so I'm not crippling my savings by doing this.

 

And now about the story; I love it. It's got that ridiculous complexity that I love, but isn't TOO complex. It takes a little homework to understand, but it isn't hard to follow whatsoever in my eyes. If you want confusing, play the Metal Gear Solid games if you haven't already. Speaking of, I felt that it should have ended at MGS4, but I still loved all the games after that expanded the world and story events, and I loved discovering what they were going to show next. The same with KH; I love every game because it expands on things that we didn't know yet, and makes what was at first a simple universe into a much bigger one. But anyway, the story is a matter of personal opinion with any series. So, with that said, I will gladly buy 2.8. I want KH3 as much as you, man, but I like to look at this as Square Enix giving us one last thing to hold us over before KH3 is released and is still being developed, instead of just a cash grab or letting us sit here with no news at all while we wait.

 

But, at the end of the day, you're allowed to hate on it's flaws as much as you want. It clearly has some. This isn't me trying to change your mind, but just giving you my two cents on this.

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Well technically, you don't have to buy every single Kingdom Hearts games if you don't like Square's business practices, especially not the HD Remixes if you played the original games already. Personally I really like them, I finally got the play the final mix versions,ReCOM,BBS on a big screen and I was finally able to go though the entirety of ReCoded because I didn't have to play the game :) and soon I'll finally be able to play DDD and know more about KHX stuff. Just because a company decide to release a remaster or a remake doesn't mean you have to buy it,but its great for those who never got into the series. I have a friend who gave up on the series completly because each entries were release on so many different consoles,but now, thanks to the HD Remixes, he came back into the series.
 
I agree though that 2.8 and the other collections should have been on Xbox One as well and that COM,Days(gameplay-wise at least) and ReCoded and not that great.

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Console jumping. Doesn't bother me.

Complex/convoluted story. Doesn't bother me.

Expiramenting with different types of gameplay. Doesn't bother me.

HD remasters. Don't bother me.

 

What matters to me, the only thing that matters to me, is that the games are fun and thus far, they all have been.

 

And honestly, right now I'm more excited for 2.8 than KH3, mostly for 0.2. We've been waiting for BbSv2 for five years, granted we've been waiting for KH3 twice as long, but there was never a doubt it would come eventually. With BbSv2, all indications where that the game was scrapped until 2.8 was announced, until then we didn't have the certainty we have with KH3.

 

Also, you should never sleep more than 8 hours a day, it's unhealthy. Not that I'm one to talk, I'll sleep for 12 if left to my own devices. I really need to work on that.

Edited by Isamu_Kuno

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You have the right to voice your opinion. 

I disagree though. I still wish to get 2.8, just as a means to understand all of what's going on. I don't think I have a right to criticize 2.8 because, I don't have a PS4 nor a PS3 for the ReMixes. Regarding Sony, I'm still a PS2 PSP user.   And I'm not really familiar with the PS3 PS4 mechanics... 

 

I can understand that the games within the series has been in different consoles and moble/smart phones. I don't really find it annoying, however. I can't be upset over that. 

Regarding the WHOLE entire series story, all of the stories are fine to me. I don't have anything bad to say about them. I'm really not the type to criticize over one's work.

 

I played the first Kingdom Hearts game when I was about 13 or 14 years old and I'm 25 going on 26 right now. I'm not really mad at them not releasing Kingdom Hearts 3 right now. And the long wait, doesn't bother me. I'm a patient women and I understand it takes time. I'm kinda glad they didn't release it yet, because I wish to at least get a PS4 right before they release it, once I'll get a job. 

Edited by RikuFangirl2008

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  On 9/16/2015 at 9:40 PM, Shulk said:

There's no problem with people ranting, and it's not pointless. It can help a lot for people to get their thoughts out instead of getting more frustrated over time, but keeping it all to themselves. Ranting doesn't hurt anyone, so I don't see why you're treating it as such a bad thing. Not to mention that criticism helps game developers quite a bit, contrary to what seems to be the popular opinion that criticism is just plain evil and shouldn't exist. As someone who wants to get into game development and has even made a game, if I ignored the criticism I'd received for my game, it would have been terrible, and the criticism I received is actually something that I believe will help me a lot in the future games that I make. Saying that everything is perfect prevents developers from improving, since they'll just believe that they can keep doing exactly what they did before.

It's a bad thing, it's everywhere!

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  On 9/17/2015 at 2:53 AM, MarieltheKeybasHGirl said:

It's a bad thing, it's everywhere!

How is it a bad thing? You have to give some reasoning to support your statement. If your reasoning is that a lot of people rant... A lot of people go on and on about how much they love the games, too. I don't see why it's perfectly fine for one side of the argument to be incredibly prevalent, but not the other.

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  On 9/16/2015 at 9:34 PM, Jack Vladimir Frost said:

What, system bouncing? 

Or money-wh@ring? 

Both.

  On 9/16/2015 at 8:46 PM, Le Weedanort ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

See how everyone can have a good discussion without being rude?

 

  :D

fite me ;)

  On 9/16/2015 at 9:20 PM, MarieltheKeybasHGirl said:

How many times i gotta say this, Ranting about anything is just pointless, and yet still people do it.

So if the people of a country ranted against the corruption of a brutal totalitarian government, that's pointless is it?

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  On 9/16/2015 at 6:15 PM, DemyxIsBest said:

Kingdom Hearts II. In my opinion it's good but it's overrated. The Disney worlds have now become a gimmick rather than integral to the story like KH's was, likely to be used to pawn games over to the market (which, as i'll explain, they do a lot of during the current course of this series). I thought the fighting in Kingdom Hearts actually had some strategy to it, especially with dem boss fights (Cerberus) but noope, now they resort to a crappy triangle button mash which magically decimates all your enemies, yaay for satisfaction? Granted there were a lot of things I liked about KHII, such as the organization, but there were some absolutely crappy moments - EG What the heck was the Goofy death scene? WHAT A  WASTE OF MY LIFE-FORCE. What the heck was the battle of 1000 Heartless which was, and I maintain to this day, the biggest dogcrap button-mash boss battle freaking dissappointment in the whole series. Plus where did the difficulty go, bro, too lazy to make complex AI in your game mechanics?

 

Um what? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. "now they resort to a crappy triangl button mash which magically decimates all your enemies". If you can even come up with ONE fight in the game that requires mash of triangles to win, can you please tell me? I can't come up with any, with the minor exception of 1k Heartless, and even there if you're playing on a higher difficulty (critical mode) try mashing triangle and tell me what happens. Guess what: you're gonna get destroyed. That makes absolutely zero sense.

 

"where did the difficulty go, bro, too lazy to make complex AI in your game mechanics?" Once again, absolutely wrong. You complain about difficulty, yet Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix undoubtedly offers the most difficult "difficulty" out of any KH game by far: Level 1 Critical (I understand this is sorta a pseudo-difficulty level, but it's still a great deal harder than Critical Mode). This game's level 1 requires way more strategy than any other KH level 1; mash triangle to win the game, I'd like to see you try. You won't even get past Roxas, that's how ridiculous your "mash triangle and no skill required" argument is. Go ahead and compare to other KH level 1's; not one is harder than this one.

 

1.5, okay it had it's challenging parts, but EXP Zero was buffed to the point that nothing can kill you in one shot. Along with Leaf Bracer and MP Rage, you're literally invincible. So tedious, but not challenging.

 

This is similar in other KH games as well, like BBS, DDD; you're always given these overpowered commands (aka balloon in DDD or surges/ignite in BBS) super early on in the game, along with invincible dodges, and it honestly makes the level 1 more tedious and boring than an exciting challenge. Never in any of these games will you ever get killed in 1 hit, due to properties of EXP Zero or being able to obtain Second Chance/Once More easily. KH2 is the only game that has the chance of you getting killed, and along with so many other combat options. So what I don't understand is this argument of "KH2 being too easy" and "mashing triangle to win", since they don't make any sort of sense. At all.

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  On 9/16/2015 at 6:15 PM, DemyxIsBest said:

 

 

Kingdom Hearts II. In my opinion it's good but it's overrated. The Disney worlds have now become a gimmick rather than integral to the story like KH's was, likely to be used to pawn games over to the market (which, as i'll explain, they do a lot of during the current course of this series). I thought the fighting in Kingdom Hearts actually had some strategy to it, especially with dem boss fights (Cerberus) but noope, now they resort to a crappy triangle button mash which magically decimates all your enemies, yaay for satisfaction? Granted there were a lot of things I liked about KHII, such as the organization, but there were some absolutely crappy moments - EG What the heck was the Goofy death scene? WHAT A  WASTE OF MY LIFE-FORCE. What the heck was the battle of 1000 Heartless which was, and I maintain to this day, the biggest dogcrap button-mash boss battle freaking dissappointment in the whole series. Plus where did the difficulty go, bro, too lazy to make complex AI in your game mechanics?

 

 

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with you. I thought kh2 was REALLY hard on critical mode when I first tried that difficulty mode out. I had problems with almost EVERY single boss battle I encounter through the game especially the organization 13 boss battles and the final boss battle fights. Not sure if you played the game on critical mode or not, but if you haven't you should try to out. It's pretty challenging in my opinion. 

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