A Rant About Kingdom Hearts.

[DemyxIsBest 367]

oookay okay okay you know this morning, I woke up happy. I got a solid 10 hours sleep and I was feeling fresh. Now I see this "2.8" crap and MAN OH MAN am I vexed, and y'know i'm supposed to be Demyx, he's chilled out right? RIGHT?!

Now there's some stuff i've gotta get off my chest, feel free to argue against me (but only constructively I don't want any defensive peeps in my thread). 

 

First things first, let's talk about the games that have already come out:

 

Okay Kingdom Hearts, I actually have no qualms about this game, in fact, it's probably my favourite. Well done.

 

Kingdom Hearts II. In my opinion it's good but it's overrated. The Disney worlds have now become a gimmick rather than integral to the story like KH's was, likely to be used to pawn games over to the market (which, as i'll explain, they do a lot of during the current course of this series). I thought the fighting in Kingdom Hearts actually had some strategy to it, especially with dem boss fights (Cerberus) but noope, now they resort to a crappy triangle button mash which magically decimates all your enemies, yaay for satisfaction? Granted there were a lot of things I liked about KHII, such as the organization, but there were some absolutely crappy moments - EG What the heck was the Goofy death scene? WHAT A  WASTE OF MY LIFE-FORCE. What the heck was the battle of 1000 Heartless which was, and I maintain to this day, the biggest dogcrap button-mash boss battle freaking dissappointment in the whole series. Plus where did the difficulty go, bro, too lazy to make complex AI in your game mechanics?

 

Before I move on to Chain of Memories (HAHAHAHA CoM) i'd just like to make a passing comment on the Final Mixes. STOP WHORING MONEY. DON'T MAKE GAMERS AND YOUR FANS, WITHOUT WHOM YOU'D BE IRRELEVANT FORK OUT AN EXTRA LOAD FOR CRAP THAT SHOULD'VE ALREADY HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! IN THE UK THAT WOULD BE LIKE 80 firetruckING QUID OR NEARLY 200 DOLLARS FOR THE SAME GAME TWICE.

 

Hahahaha Chain of Memories time hahaha, so i'm not really sure what was going through Nomura's head when he originally planned this crap out. So he decides to make an essential-to-story game on a freakin' Gameboy, where the technology was so underdeveloped and the game so freaking dreadful that they decided to make a remake of it (see this money whoring coming into play again), where they should have made it in the first place! Indeed, this was a chance to resurrect the game and re-work it to make it into the classic formula that was the first. BUT NO, KEEP THE WANK GAME MECHANICS BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO  LAZY TO FULLY REWORK IT. And when KH2 rolled around a few years after the Gameboy Advanced crap, was anyone else lost? Because I was, so I had to  go and buy a gameboy (warning: I do alot of buying new consoles just to play this series) and play the  game just so I could know what was going on BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO RELEASE THE PS2 REMAKE IN EUROPE.

 

Next we come to Days, don't really have any qualms with the inclusion of this either except I do because 50% the game was  awful and had no relevance to the story, just repetitive  grind because you had to fill the game because you needed enough content to whore another  £30 off of me yet couldn't  create enough actual genuine story. :). 

 

MONEY SPEND COUNT (INC. NEW CONSOLES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DAMN GAME): £165 (roughly)

 

Next comes Birth By Sleep, y'know this was actually a good game and I really liked it. Just have a few problems with this as well:

A) The AI are still  awesome and actually have no intelligence in their play.

B) I HAD TO BUY A WHOLE  PSP FOR THIS ONE GAME BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A MUST-HAVE FOR THE STORY.

C) Really the whole existence of this game was completely down to the fact that Square wanted even more money and did KH1 and KH2 really need it?

D) This  game spawned more questions than answers, which leads to... (are you ready) EVEN MORE MONEY WHORING!@!@!@!

 

Coded: I'm not even going to waste my time on this crap.

 

MONEY SPEND COUNT (INC. NEW CONSOLES ): £395 (roughly)

 

3D: Good but not great, the whole concept of this game was based on a gimmick sellpoint. By this time we've waited 7 freaking years and only now do we have an advancement in the plot... BUT NO WAIT YOU'RE GOING BACK TO YOUR YOUNGER SELVES IN THE DREAM WORLD. By now the plot has become completely screwed up it's own butt in it's own cute-sy little way and in what has become the most awesome gaming move of the century, AXEL/LEA NOW HAS A KEYBLADE WELL DONE REALLY CLEVER I SAY MARVELOUS  (still love the series though I promise) The main advertisement for this game was "The true sequel to Kingdom Hearts II." If that's so true, why don't you make it on the console.

 

 

MONEY SPEND COUNT (INC. NEW CONSOLES: £425

 

And now come the HD Remixes.. *breath, breath*..........

The money whoring has finally come to fruition ladies and gentlemen. Because, y'know, when I originally heard about this I actually thought it was a good idea when I first heard about it... BUT WAIT, THERE WAS A CATCH AS ALWAYS.

Y'see they could've done a kind thing and put both Kingdom Hearts's in one nice little box to tide us over for Kingdom Hearts 3, because the purpose of this was to 'attract new fans' which it really failed at, because 95% of the people who played it were already fans who are  waiting for a game that should've already have come out 5  years ago. BUT NOPE, Y'SEE THAT'S NOT CORPORATE ENOUGH FOR SQUARE-ENIX. INSTEAD, THEY GIVE US  CHAIN OF MEMORIES A 3RD TIME. I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'VE ACTUALLY MANAGED TO WHORE NEARLY £100 FROM ME FOR THE SECOND MOST CRAPPIEST GAME IN THE WHOLE SERIES. They also give us a Days movie, therefore admitting that the game was so crap and devoid of content that they didn't even bother making a remake for it.

And a year later, out comes the second one for yet another 40  quid. So that's £80 i've spent playing the same crap i've already played before in slightly better (but not really) graphics. It's funny that they add in BbS to beef it up a bit, but the fact of the matter is, if they weren't whoring for money they would've  put it on a console in the first place. 

AND NOW HERE'S 2.8 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY FOR THAT. Containing content for: 3D, WHICH IF THEY WANTED THAT SO MUCH, SHOULD'VE ALREADY HAVE BEEN MADE ON A CONSOLE IF IT WAS THAT IMPORTANT. X, which I have no  idea about since it's only been released in Japan for a decent period of time and been on the European market for about 5 minutes, way to alienate your fans. AND YES 0.2 YES WOW TIME FOR QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED IN A GAME THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN RAISED SAID QUESTIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU WEREN'T SUCH MONEY-WHORES. Also why if KH3 is for both Xbone and PS4, would you only make 2.8 for PS4? Clever, real freakin' clever.

 

TOTAL SPENDAGE: £505 (roughly)

 

I'm just going to be blunt about this, if you have any monetary sense you wouldn't buy 2.8, i'd advise you just to read up about it instead because they've already mentioned that KH3 won't be the last, which i'm completely dumbfounded about since the whole series gravitates around Xehanort and his mis-deeds. They're going to do this to you time and time again, because i'm afraid, in the end, all companies care about is your money.

One of the main reasons i'm so angry right now is because I love this series so much and i'm just so frustrated by it, I'm starting to feel I only play it now for the nostalgia, because the fact of the matter is, this series probably should've ended long ago. It could have been a perfect PS2 trilogy, but now it has been extended long beyond and into the future purely because Square see the starry lights of the numbered paper. I'm tired of waiting for KH3, I was 4 when I played KH for the first time, and it was one of my first games, probably why I love it so much. I'm now nearly 17, 17! I feel sorry for casual fans now, because they're not going to have a clue about KH3 when it comes out it's been convoluted that much.

 

Good day.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

I sometimes wonder why people play this series when all they do is complain about it. I'm fine with spending the money on these collections, cause I get them in their best looking forms (as well as extra stuff with the final mix versions). If you already have these games and don't want to spend money on them then just don't buy them. Either that or wait for the price to drop. As for spending money on consoles and stuff, yeah, we all know how much it sucks.  It's been 5 years since BBS came out. One more thing: corporations like making money. It's a fact. Please learn to deal.

 

I'm not going to touch on the gameplay and story issues you seem to have. For the most part, I disagree. A lot of those things just seem like complaining just to complain.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[Sorarocks93 678]

Of course they care about money. Doesn't mean the games aren't good though. So, if the games are good, why not make more? 

Suffice it to say, I didn't buy any other games that weren't on the PS2. And now I've only bought the remixes for the PS3 and am going to buy 2.8 and KH3 for the PS4.

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

Of course they care about money. Doesn't mean the games aren't good though. So, if the games are good, why not make more? Suffice it to say, I didn't buy any other games that weren't on the PS2. And now I've only bought the remixes for the PS3 and am going to buy 2.8 and KH3 for the PS4.

And it's funny because Nomura couldn't exactly care less about money.

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

 

More constructive than "incorrect," and no, I didn't reiterate your point. Before deciding not to buy this one, you constantly complained about price and money, especially on the other HD remixes. From what it sounds like, you could have waited like 2 months since you don't care as much for seemingly all but 1 and 2 and gotten both for about $20 cheaper, and without complaint. In all honesty, I see more of a reason to complain if you weren't able to get the games before due to lack of money to spend on other consoles, but now that these HD remixes are out so many more people are able to play these titles.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Let's keep this civil guys and no fighting. Constructive comments only kthx! I will delete and edit more if needed.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

I respectfully disagree, however. I found Re:Com to be a nice change from the series' usual gameplay. It added a bit of strategy, which made it more immersive than others in the series like Days. I have no problems with any of the games so far. Days being the exception, I reallt didn't enjoy playing days. The rest, however, was fun for me. I love the story to all of them, too.

[Forever 3,550]

I'm not going to lie, as a long-time Kingdom Hearts fan, there is one hard truth that one must swallow first, and foremost- This series is an investment. Literally. And yeah, it is because of money. Although Square and Disney are corporations that cater to producing cool things for fans, you have to remember that at the end of the day, they are a business. And yes, they are going to make seemingly douchey, business-like decisions. They know that some people will be angry, but apparently, the loss of those fans doesn't compare to the millions of others willing to scrape together $400+ just to buy a PS4 and play KH3. Despite the inconvience, it's money for them. And that's what matters the most. I know it's frustrating, but it's not like it's going to stop or change...so really, being upset about it will and has, accomplished nothing.

 

And, I'm not even going to touch on story issues, because every KH fan on this earth knows that as fun as Kingdom Hearts is, it has one of the most needlessly complex, and often hole-riddled plots in the history of games. Does that make it bad? Not necessarily. Just, undeniably flawed. However, those flaws are part of what makes Kingdom Hearts what it is. As a fan, sometimes you have to except the fantastic, along with the not so fantastic, and for every dumb line of dialogue, or stupid plot point this series has, it swiftly makes up for it with other outstanding, and lovable aspects.

[DemyxIsBest 367]

You're entitled to your opinion.I respectfully disagree, however. I found Re:Com to be a nice change from the series' usual gameplay. It added a bit of strategy, which made it more immersive than others in the series like Days. I have no problems with any of the games so far. Days being the exception, I reallt didn't enjoy playing days. The rest, however, was fun for me. I love the story to all of them, too.

Fair enough but  Coded, really? Coded?

I'm not going to lie, as a long-time Kingdom Hearts fan, there is one hard truth that one must swallow first, and foremost- This series is an investment. Literally. And yeah, it is because of money. Although Square and Disney are corporations that cater to producing cool things for fans, you have to remember that at the end of the day, they are a business. And yes, they are going to make seemingly douchey, business-like decisions. They know that some people will be angry, but apparently, the loss of those fans doesn't compare to the millions of others willing to scrape together $400+ just to buy a PS4 and play KH3. Despite the inconvience, it's money for them. And that's what matters the most. I know it's frustrating, but it's not like it's going to stop or change...so really, being upset about it will and has, accomplished nothing.And, I'm not even going to touch on story issues, because every KH fan on this earth knows that as fun as Kingdom Hearts is, it has one of the most needlessly complex, and often hole-riddled plots in the history of games. Does that make it bad? Not necessarily. Just, undeniably flawed. However, those flaws are part of what makes Kingdom Hearts what it is. As a fan, sometimes you have to except the fantastic, along with the not so fantastic, and for every dumb line of dialogue, or stupid plot point this series has, it swiftly makes up for it with other outstanding, and lovable aspects.

Thanks bae I knew you'd understand

[Forever 3,550]

Fair enough but  Coded, really? Coded?Thanks bae I knew you'd understand

No prob.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

Fair enough but  Coded, really? Coded?Thanks bae I knew you'd understand

To be honest... yeah. I enjoyed Re:Coded. The story and the gameplay. While the story wasn't completely important to the whole series, it was enjoyable within itself. At least, that's how I found it.

[Ven983 490]

I can understand your frustration about the different consoles for each game, as it was rather ridiculous that nearly every game came out on a different system.  The important thing to understand here is that Square-Enix is a business before anything else, and businesses are always looking for ways to increase their income.  As much as a game company may appear to be doing it all for the fans, there is always a business motive behind it; even Nintendo who seems to be the most fan-driven company do what they do because of money.  The other important thing to understand is that this is Nomura's story, and that just because he releases a spin-off title does not mean that it is him trying to milk money out of people (for the most part) but that he is trying to tell part of his story.  The reason the first KH game was so simplistic is because he thought it would be a one and done game,  but since he was afforded the opportunity to continue along with it, he was able to develop his story further.  Granted there have been things that he has put in there for no real reason, but he does his best to keep things relevant after they have been put in, which cannot be said about a lot of other storytellers out there.

 

As far as the HD remixes go, yes they are another way to increase the company's revenue, but it was also a response to fans complaints about all the games being on different systems.  These games were not required to be bought by anyone who had already played the games, they were just helpful to those who hadn't played them before, even though a lot of previous fans still bought them.  2.8 is the one collection that every fan would want to buy, as it includes two stories that have not been told before, and they are doing a service by putting on PS4 so that people can have a PS4 for KH3 as well.  I will agree that not bringing the previous collections to PS4 is not helpful and defeats the purpose, but you have to remember that this is a company based out of Japan, and they will cater to Japan first.  In Japan, Sony dominates the market and nearly everyone there has a PS3, so it doesn't really matter that they don't bring it to PS4 there, especially with the PS3 market still booming there.

 

It is fine to have your opinions, but understand that these games are not created solely for the fans, but they are created because A) it is a way to increase revenue, and B) it is a way for these game creators to tell their story.  

Edited September 16, 2015 by Ven983

[DemyxIsBest 367]

To be honest... yeah. I enjoyed Re:Coded. The story and the gameplay. While the story wasn't completely important to the whole series, it was enjoyable within itself. At least, that's how I found it.

I literally feel the only point of having Coded in there was to keep Nomura's promise of a game every year until KH3 (another thing i'm annoyed about because without all this faffing he could've made the wait much shorter).

[Shulk 8,623]

While I personally disagree with a couple of your points (I personally really enjoyed CoM/Re:CoM and Re:Coded), it's nice to actually see someone give the series a look through a more critical lens. I've been with the series since the very beginning, and honestly, it has a lot of flaws. However, admitting that something has flaws doesn't mean you can't be a fan of it. I still enjoy the games (Except for Days and Chi of course), but I still see the flaws. Everything you mentioned about KHII? I 100% agree, although if I bring it up, I'm treated as if I deserve the death sentence over an opinion because KHII is some sacred game that must be viewed as absolute perfection for some reason. I still think it's a great game, though people tend to ignore that part. It's rare to see someone actually go and point out the flaws of the series, and I honestly respect it when people can go and explain the issues that they have with it. I mean, everyone can have their opinion, but the games are far from perfect. There's no such thing as a perfect game. I'll even confess that Xenoblade, my favorite game of all time, has a couple flaws. Doesn't change how much I love it, though.

 

 

On the subject of 2.8, it's something I'll probably pick up, but not until it gets a good price cut. The fact that Square's charging $60 for a "collection" with a 3DS game remake, a movie, and what's probably going to be the equivalent of a demo is ridiculous if you ask me.

 

 

To be honest, I've had a few rants of my own in mind regarding the series (though it's not exactly with the games themselves). Nice to see I'm not the only one who had those thoughts.

[Nero Kunivas 3,046]

Companies are really all about money in the end of it all. Even when they honestly promise to be good to their fans and make great games...like any good business, it comes down to money and how much can be made.

 

I mean personally, I like all of the games, even the remasters counting the upcoming one, but....I can understand why you don't.

 

Sorry for my deleted post, it was a bit....unneeded.

No prob.

I'm bae. Not him~ X3

[MickeyTheMick 175]

Lol *tries to take this thread with a grain of salt*. I'm glad they didn't put KH3 on the ps2 because it would have been limited in terms of graphics and game play mechanics.Plus, you need to face the fact that every single gaming company wants your money. That's what they do.

[DemyxIsBest 367]

Lol *tries to take this thread with a grain of salt*. I'm glad they didn't put KH3 on the ps2 because it would have been limited in terms of graphics and game play mechanics.Plus, you need to face the fact that every single gaming company wants your money. That's what they do.

 

And it's funny because Nomura couldn't exactly care less about money.

So Nomura's hypocrisy doesn't frustrate you?

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

I agree with KH2 though. I did like it, but I feel like people view it in too high of a perspective. It's not the best game, gameplay or storywise. KH2FM, however, is arguable to have some of the best gameplay in my opinion. Still. The story wasn't the best in the series. That title stays along with the first Kingdom Hearts game. Kingdom Hearts sometimes feels like a separate title to me. It's the one I enjoy the most. While the others are enjoyable, I've never felt like any of them could achieve what the first one did.

[MickeyTheMick 175]

So Nomura's hypocrisy doesn't frustrate you?

No lol. I play games for fun and the story. I'm not sitting there complaining about every little feature in a game. Some games were more frustrating than others, but oh well. Games are games at the end of the day

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

No hate..but.......

Good points. I've spent at least (rough, off the top of my head figure here) a thousand once you total up games, systems, replacements for games, the two remixes, and BBS replacements (Two burned out). 2.8 is out of my price range simply for having to buy a PS4 to play it. And then KH III is gonna come prancing out for god only knows how much... 

And the point of CoM being sold 3 times is valid to a point, as the Gameboy version was a marketing idea to branch the series out. The two DS games aren't looked up highly, but it's easy to see what they were trying to do. 

But yeah, in short, a lot of money for some content over again, plus systems you have to buy to own the games. It's a lot, but not money whoring per se, as every game series has done this. Slightly off topic, but..Castlevania springs to mind, with games bounding all over the place, remixes, and redone material. 

Edited September 16, 2015 by Jack Vladimir Frost

[DemyxIsBest 367]

No hate..but.......

Good points. I've spent at least (rough, off the top of my head figure here) a thousand once you total up games, systems, replacements for games, the two remixes, and BBS replacements (Two burned out). 2.8 is out of my price range simply for having to buy a PS4 to play it. And then KH III is gonna come prancing out for god only knows how much... 

And the point of CoM being sold 3 times is valid to a point, as the Gameboy version was a marketing idea to branch the series out. The two DS games aren't looked up highly, but it's easy to see what they were trying to do. 

But yeah, in short, a lot of money for some content over again, plus systems you have to buy to own the games. It's a lot, but not money whoring per se, as every game series has done this. Slightly off topic, but..Castlevania springs to mind, with games bounding all over the place, remixes, and redone material. 

I'm starting to think it might be a trademark of Japanese RPGs..

[Epic KH Fan_13 64]

To be honest... yeah. I enjoyed Re:Coded. The story and the gameplay. While the story wasn't completely important to the whole series, it was enjoyable within itself. At least, that's how I found it.

I second that

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

So Nomura's hypocrisy doesn't frustrate you?

Well "couldn't care less" means almost no interest. I say that Nomura doesn't exactly show interest in money as a goal. And he doesn't bother me at all. I have anger issues, but I have a whole lot of patience, except in lines.

[DemyxIsBest 367]

Well "couldn't care less" means almost no interest. I say that Nomura doesn't exactly show interest in money as a goal. And he doesn't bother me at all. I have anger issues, but I have a whole lot of patience, except in lines.

It's easy to say something just to appease some people. He's the creative director for the whole series, he might not 'show interest', but I can 100% guarantee that with all these flaming spin-offs, it certainly was a factor for him.

[Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859]

Can't I like the post more then one time? I honestly really liked reading Demyx's post, and I agree with many things. However, in my opinion, KH:CoM is a great game, where you can use nice spells and skills like Tornado and Quake. Also, Days was the game that introduced me to the series, I realy like the story (even though it's slow as hell, like you say) but the gameplay is quite awful. I totaly agree in KH1 and 2, but for some reason I like KH2 more, probably because of the Organization. I also agree with Coded, quite a bad game in my opinion, except for the Castle Oblivion part.

 

I honestly think the series should have ended in KH2 with Xemnas' defeat. Bringing back the nobodies turned into normal people in DDD is absurd, but necesary, because they are the best characters in the series, and they need them to keep selling games.

 

Kingdom Hearts stopped beeing my all-time favourite franchiese when BBS was released, I really didn't enjoy the game as much as I thought I would; the Jump Festa trailer is better then the actual game in my opinion.

 

Finaly, KH2.8 is stupid, that's the first thing I said when I saw it, it's just a way to earn more money, I will probably refuse to buy until 2017 or something like that.