Guest Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDf7uX5-9Q0 Here's the truth. Trust me, it's more surprising and respectable than you initially may have believed. Edited September 26, 2015 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted September 16, 2015 Well at least it sounds like there's still life for Disney's traditional animation. I hope to see more hand-drawn cartoons again some day soon. 3 Exiblade7, Kittenz and Movies798 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Movies798 1,360 Posted September 16, 2015 Okay I will agree that The Princess and the Frog didn't make more money like they wanted to because it was release around Avatar(2009) came out. I love The Princess and the Frog especially Doctor Facilier(My second favorite Disney Villain!). But I think maybe the other reason why it didn't make more money because maybe the story was a little flat? I don't know because to me the story was cute, good, and enjoyable but it didn't had me like "Oh I want to see it again." But I still love the movie. As for the name? Well I never think movie titles were a big issue in Disney Animation Studios. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 16, 2015 Well at least it sounds like there's still life for Disney's traditional animation. I hope to see more hand-drawn cartoons again some day soon. As much as I love that, there's been no news of traditional hand drawn animation being revived. The next best thing they're doing is a new animation style called Meander which is aesthetic hand drawn look on CG models. Okay I will agree that The Princess and the Frog didn't make more money like they wanted to because it was release around Avatar(2009) came out. I love The Princess and the Frog especially Doctor Facilier(My second favorite Disney Villain!). But I think maybe the other reason why it didn't make more money because maybe the story was a little flat? I don't know because to me the story was cute, good, and enjoyable but it didn't had me like "Oh I want to see it again." But I still love the movie. As for the name? Well I never think movie titles were a big issue in Disney Animation Studios. It wasn't really anything to do with money, rather, it was the fact that the studio was at a point in which the directors preferred their movies CG as opposed to Hand Drawn. The only two directors willing to stick with Hand Drawn Animation are the same people who made The Princess and the Frog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Movies798 1,360 Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) It wasn't really anything to do with money, rather, it was the fact that the studio was at a point in which the directors preferred their movies CG as opposed to Hand Drawn. The only two directors willing to stick with Hand Drawn Animation are the same people who made The Princess and the Frog. Yeah but money is also important and The Princess and the Frog did not made a lot of money in the box office. Princess and the Frog was release around Avatar and Avatar was a box office hit and the movie audience continue to watch that movie over Princess and the Frog. Than Winnie the Pooh another hand-drawn animation movie was release in July 15, 2011 and that movie barely surpassed it's budget because it was release the same day Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 was release. Those two hand-drawn movies weren't bringing any money in the box office, so they decided to make Tangled and Frozen cg animation and those movies made more money than Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh. Edited September 16, 2015 by Movies798 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Yeah but money is also important and The Princess and the Frog did not made a lot of money in the box office. Princess and the Frog was release around Avatar and Avatar was a box office hit and the movie audience continue to watch that movie over Princess and the Frog. Than Winnie the Pooh another hand-drawn animation movie was release in July 15, 2011 and that movie barely surpassed it's budget because it was release the same day Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 was release. Those two hand-drawn movies weren't bringing any money in the box office, so they decided to make Tangled and Frozen cg animation and those movies made more money than Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh. Of course money was important, however, you have to understand that Ed Catmull stated that "It would be wrong for us (him and John Lasseter)!" to impose their views on what Disney Animation should have been producing. Disney's highest grossing movies are Disney Princess Musicals yet movies like Wreck-It Ralph, Big Hero 6 and Zootopia are being produced (in which the released movies of the examples provided made lots of money). The movies being produced are a conscious and agreed choice made by the Disney Animation creative heads themselves: fellow film-makers. The Princess and the Frog had to be up against Avatar and Winnie The Pooh was released at a poor date. That's the reason why that movie barely made any money. It was nothing to do with the art form, rather, it was the scheduling of these movies. Sure, we may have been at a phase in which CG was preferred over Hand Drawn, however, Disney still love and respected that art form. Disney Animation still does shorts and they make no money at all whatsoever (generally speaking). Edited September 18, 2015 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twilight_roxas 326 Posted September 20, 2015 Well Disney did animated shorts that are a hybrid of Traditional animation, and CGI like Paperman which is a mix of both, and Mickey Mouse: Get A Horse which starts out as traditional animation, then cgi outside the movie screen with the traditional animation on the screen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted September 26, 2015 Aw man, the video isn't viewable! I wanted to know the reason for the lack of hand drawn Disney films! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Aw man, the video isn't viewable! I wanted to know the reason for the lack of hand drawn Disney films! Don't worry man, I sorted it out. I had to re-upload the video because it acted erroneous. You can finally check out the video again :smile: Well Disney did animated shorts that are a hybrid of Traditional animation, and CGI like Paperman which is a mix of both, and Mickey Mouse: Get A Horse which starts out as traditional animation, then cgi outside the movie screen with the traditional animation on the screen. Exactly, that's what Ed Catmull stated in the video. Him and John Lasetter wanted to keep that "hand drawn component" to distinguish Disney Animation from PIXAR. Hopefully, Gigantic will be in Meander animation. Edited September 26, 2015 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted September 28, 2015 Don't worry man, I sorted it out. I had to re-upload the video because it acted erroneous. You can finally check out the video again :smile: Sweet! Thanks for this! Now I'll finally know the reason why hand-drawn Disney films are such a rarity these days! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 28, 2015 Sweet! Thanks for this! Now I'll finally know the reason why hand-drawn Disney films are such a rarity these days! Actually, the news will be a lot more saddening then that, they've outright shut down hand drawn animation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted September 29, 2015 Actually, the news will be a lot more saddening then that, they've outright shut down hand drawn animation. Nooooo!!! This can't be happening!? Does this mean we'll never ever get to see hand drawn Disney films ever again for as long as we live!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Nooooo!!! This can't be happening!? Does this mean we'll never ever get to see hand drawn Disney films ever again for as long as we live!? Not necessarily. Disney Animation are creating a technique called Meander that combines 2D Hand Drawn and 3D CG animation. That's the closest to hand drawn Disney films that we will ever see for a long time. Edited September 29, 2015 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted September 30, 2015 Not necessarily. Disney Animation are creating a technique called Meander that combines 2D Hand Drawn and 3D CG animation. That's the closest to hand drawn Disney films that we will ever see for a long time. *Sniffs then sighs.* Oh well, at least it's something! I wonder when Disney will use their new "Meander" technique in their Animated Classics? And well, let 10 years pass. I have no doubt that there will be many Disney fans by then who will be clamoring for an old school, hand drawn Disney film, and when that time comes, I'm sure Disney will listen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) I always figured it was because CGI is cheaper to produce than 2D so they can maximize profits. Edited September 30, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 30, 2015 *Sniffs then sighs.* Oh well, at least it's something! I wonder when Disney will use their new "Meander" technique in their Animated Classics? And well, let 10 years pass. I have no doubt that there will be many Disney fans by then who will be clamoring for an old school, hand drawn Disney film, and when that time comes, I'm sure Disney will listen! We need to speak wit out wallets. Hulaballo is an upcoming hand drawn movie: if that movie gets a lot of money then Disney will go back to hand drawn. As far as Meander goes, Paperman and Feast are Meander shorts. Hopefully, Gigantic will be Meander. I always figured it was because CGI is cheaper to produce than 2D so they can maximize profits. John Lasseter and Ed Catmull don't really think in that perspective. They believe that good movies maximise more profits. Of sure, Winnie the Pooh was the nail in the coffin financially speaking, however, most of the directors at Disney Animation just preferred to express their movies in CG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted October 1, 2015 We need to speak wit out wallets. Hulaballo is an upcoming hand drawn movie: if that movie gets a lot of money then Disney will go back to hand drawn. As far as Meander goes, Paperman and Feast are Meander shorts. Hopefully, Gigantic will be Meander. Wait, what? Hulaballo? Is this a recent project that was announced!? When will said movie come out!? OMG, IT'S GONNA BE HAND DRAWN!? OH GOD, I'M SO PSYCHED!!! I hope that the movie does well, because if it does, then the triumphant return of hand drawn Disney films will be made a reality! Oh yes, I remember Paperman, it was quite a gorgeous thing to watch! If Gigantic gets made like that, I've no doubt it'll be spectacular! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaweebo 3,617 Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Such a shame. Avatar was essentially just an incredibly expensive, CGI blue cat version of Pocahontas, anyway. Edited October 1, 2015 by Kaweebo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 1, 2015 Such a shame. Avatar was essentially just an incredibly expensive, CGI blue cat version of Pocahontas, anyway. Couldn't have put it better myself. However, The Princess and the Frog wasn't considered as a "financial failure", rather, it just under-performed due to Avatar. Winnie the Pooh on the other hand was the nail in the coffin for Hand Drawn Animation at Disney. The most closest thing to Hand Drawn animation that we will ever receive is Dis-enchanted (the sequel to Enchanted). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
