KHUX Is there actually a traitor?

[awesomeinmyworld 268]

2.8's X section has been bugging me all day. The lines: "I found the traitor" followed by "I don't believe there is one among us", "Are we all going to turn against one another?" and "It's written on that page that one will betray us all." bother me. I can't help but think that there actually ISN'T a traitor among the lights. But just hear me out: What if the idea of a traitor was planted into the minds of the Foretellers so they would all become suspicious of each other and eventually turn against each other and start the Keyblade War? Suspicion is sometimes the best weapon to use against a group. If some believe that not everyone will keep the whole group safe, they will grow to distrust the others. And in this case, if the Foretellers are trying to weed out a traitor among each other, some might use their Unions to take out one they see as the traitor. If that succeeds, then the other Foretellers may think that the first Union to attack were actually the traitors and attack them. And so and on and so forth until everyone is fighting. The Unions and Foretellers would fight each other to root out a traitor and to keep the world from being engulfed by darkness, but end up doing the exact opposite. All in the pursuit of one person that might not even exist. The suspicion that there is disbelief of a traitor and the question of whether they would really betray each other make me think this even more.

 

I know the page that says there is a traitor and the inquiry by Chirithy that there is a traitor disproves my theory, but "one that will betray us all" doesn't necessarily pertain ONLY to members of the Foretellers. The one that could betray them could mean the 6th Follower- the Foreteller's fellow pupil. And while the 6th could convince a Foreteller to come to their side and be a traitor, I would think it would make more sense for the 6th to say that there is already a traitor among them- warning them with their "best interest" in mind- and just sit and watch them tear each other apart. That could be what the 6th is doing in this scene (around 15 mins):https://youtu.be/lTBa-ar95Z8?list=PLhcSrKyqhfh5gWWmRv4rISACTyrZbPPsS

 

This is probably reading too much into the little information that we have. But I can't help but feel like something is wrong/missing. A simple traitor is too obvious. While their reasoning may be complex is there is one, I feel like the idea of a traitor is too simplistic. And KH is ANYTHING but simple....

 

AND CLEAN

Edited September 15, 2015 by awesomeinmyworld

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Never trust a snake. That's all I'm going to say.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Sakuraba Neku 660]

Never trust a snake. That's all I'm going to say.

 

Potter should have gone to Slytherin though.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Sakuraba Neku

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Potter should have gone to Slytherin though.

No, the part of Voldemort's soul that was in Potter should have gone to Slytherin. Edited September 15, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

No, the part of Voldemort's soul that was in Potter should have gone to Slytherin.

SNAKE FORETELLER IS VOLDEMORT

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

Ether 1 of the 5 Foretellers is being a bad egg or the 6th person is being bad. 

[awesomeinmyworld 268]

Never trust a snake. That's all I'm going to say.

But I'm in the Snake Union T.T You can trust meeeee!

[ChildOfTerra_FriendOfRiku 135]

You know you may be exactly right! I never thought of that, but there's a Kingdom Keepers book where they do exactly that! The five kids who are the heroes are told that one of them will betray the others, while at first none of them want to believe it, they all suspecting each other of being the possible traitor.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Yes there is a traitor. It's the sixth apprentice in my opinion. Nomura said himself that the grandmaster foresees who will stand out and that person who stands out wears a black coat. When he says stand out, he means stand out as a traitor and wearing different clothing.

[EternalChange 303]

Yes there is a traitor. It's the sixth apprentice in my opinion. Nomura said himself that the grandmaster foresees who will stand out and that person who stands out wears a black coat. When he says stand out, he means stand out as a traitor and wearing different clothing.

 

If that were the case, honestly, the foretellers would see the traitor from a mile away, and there would be absolutely no suspicion whatsoever within their group. No, if a traitor exists, it's going to be someone else.

 

(If you're talking clothing though...every foreteller's animal is mammalian except Anguis...just saying...)

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

If that were the case, honestly, the foretellers would see the traitor from a mile away, and there would be absolutely no suspicion whatsoever within their group. No, if a traitor exists, it's going to be someone else.

 

(If you're talking clothing though...every foreteller's animal is mammalian except Anguis...just saying...)

They did. Remember the dream in KHX walkthrough? Mind you what I have said is my opinion. We will definitely see come XBC.

[EternalChange 303]

They did. Remember the dream in KHX walkthrough? Mind you what I have said is my opinion. We will definitely see come XBC.

 

I suppose that's true.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I suppose that's true.

Believe me, we will. It is called "Back Cover" for a reason. Nomura said we will take a look at the story of KHX from the Foretellers point of view. That means we will see officially who traitor is,

 

why the Anguis and Ursus Foretellers were fighting each other,

 

and how the Keyblade War began.

[Shimmy 458]

I like the idea of the prophecy feeding into the paranoia within the apprentices causing them all to suspect and turn on each other without there being a real traitor (or maybe it's the sixth apprentice making a bs prophecy in order to get his homies to attack each other so he can get power etc). I mean those of you who play χ or unchained χ see that the paranoia really does run deep within the plot, so yeah I enjoy this theory lots as it helps capture the feel of the game.

That being said, there's really no way to tell right now as the plot isn't developed much yet.

Annnnnnnd yeah Nomura said there was a traitor, but I'm just saying you might want to note the above as a possibility. 

[Songbird Rebel 151]

That would be interesting... But I have an idea that the sixth apprentice is actually the traitor (It may have some aspects from one of my fanfiction, but please hear me out). I mean, think about it: this "Master of Masters" they mentioned has an "eye" that allowed him to "see the future", and he may have saw a vision of his sixth apprentice causing a horrendous battle we all know as the "Keyblade War" by having his fellow apprentices turn against each other. With that vision, he wrote down the warning within the five copies of the Book of Prophecies and gave each copy to the Foretellers. He even took the sixth apprentice's Keyblade and hid it away in a world that will evenutally be known as the "Land of Departure" where, from one generation to another, Keyblade Masters watched over (originally the Keyblade of the Sixth Apprentice, but that reason/purpose was lost/forgotten as time passes: much like how the story of the Keyblade War faded away into legends) to prevent the history of the Keyblade War from repeating itself due to the vision regarding the Sixth Apprentice coming true. Which explains why Eraqus' reaction and this following quote "There is a reason the precepts bar us from such knowledge." in this cutscene: 

(Courtesy of Everglow and KH13)

 

As for Eraqus and Xehanort's Master, he/she may have been a Keyblade Master who watched over the Land of Departure without even knowing the world's original purpose. And Xehanort took the Keyblade due to sensing a connection/feeling that the Keyblade is his destiny when he looked up at that Keyblade during the KHIII trailer (Due to the reason that Xehanort is the reincarnation direct descendant of the Sixth Apprentice (if you consider the following theory from HMK: 

))

 

So what do you think?

Edited March 7, 2016 by Songbird Rebel

[Tsunayoshi 29]

I like your theory Songbird Rebel! And I'm also glad I'm not the only one who watches HMK x) But wasn't the theory that SORA was the sixth apprentice's reincarnation because he wasn't "chosen" by the keyblade like the sixth? Anyways, I love the idea that the whole "traitor" business could be all based on paranoia. Or that the "traitor" only came to be because of their fears and paranoia thus sparking the Keyblade War even though there was no actual traitor in the first place. Following that theory, maybe the Foretellers misinterpreted the MoM's vision? And that created the seeds of distrust? This sounds like a great and fun theory that I can go behind

[Guest]

Hello, Master of Masters?! has nobody considered the possibility that The Master of Masters is causing the Keyblade War in order to re-create the world in his image? Let's look at what evidence we have to prove that the Master of Masters is not to be trusted.

 

1) He renames his pupils. What's the point of that? The Master of Master is essentially changing their identity in his image.

 

2) The creation of Chirithy. Now, Chirithy may seem innocent at first by creating a Dream Eater to guide the Keyblade Wielders... until you come to realise how secretive they are.

 

3) He dissapears. Now why would a Master do that? and more importantly, what is he doing whilst dissapearing?

 

4) Creating factions. Again, if you want to protect the light, you have to collaborate. The Kingdom Hearts series is all about teamwork but this is the opposite of that. What benefit does separation have aside division?

[Songbird Rebel 151]

I like your theory Songbird Rebel! And I'm also glad I'm not the only one who watches HMK x) But wasn't the theory that SORA was the sixth apprentice's reincarnation because he wasn't "chosen" by the keyblade like the sixth? Anyways, I love the idea that the whole "traitor" business could be all based on paranoia. Or that the "traitor" only came to be because of their fears and paranoia thus sparking the Keyblade War even though there was no actual traitor in the first place. Following that theory, maybe the Foretellers misinterpreted the MoM's vision? And that created the seeds of distrust? This sounds like a great and fun theory that I can go behind

Yes, there was (and I watched it; the aspect of the foretellers being connected to the current characters in a way have me intrigued, especially when you see images/statues of a unicorn-esque creature throughout the old mansion in Twilight Town)

Edited March 10, 2016 by Songbird Rebel