Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Discussion Topic - now available on PC, iOS & Android

[Dave 5,715]

Why? It makes no freaking sense.

 

Though I doubt this will change any minds, might as well put my two cents in.

 

In general, I don't find Lightning to be that compelling of a character. I get the whole "she cares but has a hard time showing it" tends to be a thing in a lot of JRPGs and anime, but it honestly doesn't leave a lot of room for development. The most they do with her is just take something she already is and make it more overt, rather than having her actually get an arc (for instance, not caring at all, and then realizing the importance of humanity). I have not played XIII-2 or 3, but from what I've seen, it doesn't really look like the character gets that arc, and is mostly just operating under the assumption that you're already 100% on board with her, so that they feel more like an appendix of worship than a story (The ending of XIII-3 essentially confirms this). 

 

Not to mention chewing out Sazh for bringing up the topic of potentially killing Serah should she turn Cie'th, saying that "people like him are the problem," and then doing an about face by being fully on board with nuking Cocoon as a potential solution for their problems kind of lost me.

[Soravids 1,056]

Though I doubt this will change any minds, might as well put my two cents in.

 

In general, I don't find Lightning to be that compelling of a character. I get the whole "she cares but has a hard time showing it" tends to be a thing in a lot of JRPGs and anime, but it honestly doesn't leave a lot of room for development. The most they do with her is just take something she already is and make it more overt, rather than having her actually get an arc (for instance, not caring at all, and then realizing the importance of humanity). I have not played XIII-2 or 3, but from what I've seen, it doesn't really look like the character gets that arc, and is mostly just operating under the assumption that you're already 100% on board with her, so that they feel more like an appendix of worship than a story (The ending of XIII-3 essentially confirms this). 

 

Not to mention chewing out Sazh for bringing up the topic of potentially killing Serah should she turn Cie'th, saying that "people like him are the problem," and then doing an about face by being fully on board with nuking Cocoon as a potential solution for their problems kind of lost me.

That arc you mentioned about not caring at all is actually emphasized in VII and VIII.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Because people hate Lightning & Toriyama for stupid reasons.

 

 

 

 

Yeah,how dare people have an opinion?How dare they voice their criticism for a game,character or how a director handle things,people should always like what you guys like and never argue about it is what you guys are saying

 

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII is a masterpiece. I'll never know why so many people dislike it. 

Different opinions,learn to accept that they exist.You can't always expect everyone to like the same things you do

[Sora96 17,256]

Yeah,how dare people have an opinion?How dare they voice their criticism for a game,character or how a director handle things,people should always like what you guys like and never argue about it is what you guys are saying

 

Different opinions,learn to accept that they exist.You can't always expect everyone to like the same things you do

 

Look forward to Toriyama's new project!

[Sora96 17,256]

Lightning Returns is now two years old in North America.

 

[Sora96 17,256]

LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIII is now 2 years old in Australia! My most anticipated video game release ever. 

Edited February 13, 2016 by Sora96

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Look forward to Toriyama's new project!

Yeah I'll be looking forward to when he puts 90% of the important plot details and explanations inside an in-game wikipedia like the lazy dolt of a director that he is,can't wait for the next Lightning in which he'll be fetishizing about his waifu for 3 games to the point he made her beat god..............somehow

[Sora96 17,256]

Yeah I'll be looking forward to when he puts 90% of the important plot details and explanations inside an in-game wikipedia like the lazy dolt of a director that he is,can't wait for the next Lightning in which he'll be fetishizing about his waifu for 3 games to the point he made her beat god..............somehow

 

Haha. You should know he didn't write the sequels. Lazy? That's how he put out XIII-2 in 18 months, a game you quite like I might add. Bahahha. Please, it seems Nomura likes her just as much. Called her perfect when promoting her modelling and now Lightning herself is teasing she'll be in VII Remake. He also said she's one of his 3 fav heroines. Very high chance she'll appear in KH3 as well. I should also add Visual Works still has a massive Lightning poster up.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Sora96

[Hardrada 117]

That arc you mentioned about not caring at all is actually emphasized in VII and VIII.

Which are different games.  Not the one being discussed.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Oh boy, more pointless arguing. I can't believe that's what revived this thread...

[Soravids 1,056]

Yeah,how dare people have an opinion?How dare they voice their criticism for a game,character or how a director handle things,people should always like what you guys like and never argue about it is what you guys are saying

 

Different opinions,learn to accept that they exist.You can't always expect everyone to like the same things you do

Toriyama has put some of the best FF games out. That's undeniable. 

 

Yeah you say that, but when I dislike Xbox somehow an opinion makes me a bigot lol.

Edited February 14, 2016 by soravids

[Raim 37]

Ah, Lightning Returns. Fond memories. I Plarinum'd the game in 13 days. Literally at midnight. It was truly poetic.

[Sora96 17,256]

Ah, Lightning Returns. Fond memories. I Plarinum'd the game in 13 days. Literally at midnight. It was truly poetic.

 

Amazing game!

 

 

Toriyama has put some of the best FF games out. That's undeniable. 

 

Yeah you say that, but when I dislike Xbox somehow and opinion makes me a bigot lol.

 

Of course. FFX, FFX-2, FFXII: RW, FFXIII, FFXIII-2 & LR. When combined they have sold about 30 million copies.

[Soravids 1,056]

Ah, Lightning Returns. Fond memories. I Plarinum'd the game in 13 days. Literally at midnight. It was truly poetic.

I literally have memories I'll never forget with that awesome game.

 

Amazing game!

 

 

 

Of course. FFX, FFX-2, FFXII: RW, FFXIII, FFXIII-2 & LR. When combined they have sold about 30 million copies.

Didn't he do VIII too?

 

Anyway I do acknowledge that VII and IX aren't by him and are two of my favorites.

Edited February 14, 2016 by soravids

[Sora96 17,256]

I literally have memories I'll never forget with that awesome game.

 

Didn't he do VIII too?

 

Anyway I do acknowledge that VII and IX aren't by him and are two of my favorites.

 

Nope, VIII was Kitase. He got promoted by Kitase for FFX.

 

VII was Kitase, IX was Ito.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Toriyama has put some of the best FF games out. That's undeniable. 

 

Yeah you say that, but when I dislike Xbox somehow an opinion makes me a bigot lol.

Ummm when did I call you a bigot ?

 

I could care less if you like Xbox or not,it's your wording when you generalize people into your opinion sometimes by saying "nobody likes this"

 

Also........undeniable?To you maybe but some people have different opinions

[Sora96 17,256]

Ummm when did I call you a bigot ?

 

I could care less if you like Xbox or not,it's your wording when you generalize people into your opinion sometimes by saying "nobody likes this"

 

Also........undeniable?To you maybe but some people have different opinions

 

FFX is one of the most popular games ever made. Haha.

[Soravids 1,056]

Ummm when did I call you a bigot ?

 

I could care less if you like Xbox or not,it's your wording when you generalize people into your opinion sometimes by saying "nobody likes this"

 

Also........undeniable?To you maybe but some people have different opinions

When did I say "nobody likes this"? My point is you'll relentlessly hate on FFXIII, but it's not okay for me to do the same to Xbox according to your overall attitude. At least the FFXIII series is unique! Every FF entry brings something new to the table, and many people find those new additions interesting.

 

Toriyama has made a positive name for himself in SE, and the FFXIII series is a wonderful example of that.

[Sora96 17,256]

When did I say "nobody likes this"? My point is you'll relentlessly hate on FFXIII, but it's not okay for me to do the same to Xbox according to your overall attitude. At least the FFXIII series is unique! Every FF entry brings something new to the table, and many people find those new additions interesting.

 

Toriyama has made a positive name for himself in SE, and the FFXIII series is a wonderful example of that.

 

He was an acclaimed director before even XIII.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

When did I say "nobody likes this"? My point is you'll relentlessly hate on FFXIII, but it's not okay for me to do the same to Xbox according to your overall attitude. At least the FFXIII series is unique! Every FF entry brings something new to the table, and many people find those new additions interesting.

 

Toriyama has made a positive name for himself in SE, and the FFXIII series is a wonderful example of that.

Again,when did I not allow you to?I don't give a shit if you hate Xbox cuz that doesn't add or take away anything from my life and my attitude has nothing to do with this

 

 

And once again,this is YOUR opinion

[Sora96 17,256]

Again,when did I not allow you to?I don't give a shit if you hate Xbox cuz that doesn't add or take away anything from my life and my attitude has nothing to do with this

 

 

And once again,this is YOUR opinion

 

How is it an opinion when Square Enix is very happy with him? His games keep selling and he's on the FF Committee and in BD1 for a reason.

[Soravids 1,056]

He was an acclaimed director before even XIII.

I know he was, just saying XIII is one of multiple examples.

 

Again,when did I not allow you to?I don't give a shit if you hate Xbox cuz that doesn't add or take away anything from my life and my attitude has nothing to do with this

 

 

And once again,this is YOUR opinion

An opinion that SE supports heavily.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

FFX is one of the most popular games ever made. Haha.

Well I didn't say I hate X in fact I firetrucking love X but Toriyama didn't actually write anything in it he was just an event director the same way he was in Final Fantasy 7

 

X's story and scenario was written by Nojima,Toriyama himself won't start fully directing anything until X-2

 

I know he was, just saying XIII is one of multiple examples.

 

An opinion that SE supports heavily.

So what?Does that change anything?Does that mean I have to agree with it just because a company would obviously support any press that would be positive in their eyes

 

I don't have to agree with you just because you claim that a company is on your side,I have my own opinion and it reflects my own outlook on things as an individual

 

if you don't like it,ignore it.Heck put me on your blacklist so you'd block my posts from your view if my opinion bothers you this much

[Soravids 1,056]

Well I didn't say I hate X in fact I firetrucking love X but Toriyama didn't actually write anything in it he was just an event director the same way he was in Final Fantasy 7

 

X's story and scenario was written by Nojima,Toriyama himself won't start fully directing anything until X-2

 

So what?Does that change anything?Does that mean I have to agree with it just because a company would obviously support any press that would be positive in their eyes

 

I don't have to agree with you just because you claim that a company is on your side,I have my own opinion and it reflects my own outlook on things as an individual

 

if you don't like it,ignore it.Heck put me on your blacklist so you'd block my posts from your view if my opinion bothers you this much

Calm down man. It's just discussion which is what these threads are made for. Not all disagreement is bad. If everyone agreed, these threads would be pretty boring. I'm just saying that your heavy attacks on FFXIII are disagreed upon by many fans including myself, and that's fine.

[Sora96 17,256]

Well I didn't say I hate X in fact I firetrucking love X but Toriyama didn't actually write anything in it he was just an event director the same way he was in Final Fantasy 7

 

X's story and scenario was written by Nojima,Toriyama himself won't start fully directing anything until X-2

 

So what?Does that change anything?Does that mean I have to agree with it just because a company would obviously support any press that would be positive in their eyes

 

I don't have to agree with you just because you claim that a company is on your side,I have my own opinion and it reflects my own outlook on things as an individual

 

if you don't like it,ignore it.Heck put me on your blacklist so you'd block my posts from your view if my opinion bothers you this much

 

LOL. Ever read the credits?

 

 

And if you ask Nojima, there was four writers: Nojima, Watanabe, Toriyama & Kitase.