American? Over 18? Come here.

[Oblivion 15]

EDIT: I REALIZE THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY LONG POST AND I UNDERSTAND AND EXPECT THAT MANY WILL NOT READ IT. BECAUSE OF THIS I DO NOT NEED TO BE INFORMED THAT IT IS INDEED AN INCREDIBLY LONG POST, AND, TRUE TO FORM, YOU DID NOT READ IT, AND I ASK INSTEAD THAT YOU DEDICATE ALL RESPONSES TO CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONVERSATION.

 

Hi guys.

 Oblivion here. Really old member. 

 

 I'm here make a case, if you will. To talk a little. 

 

 The year is 2015. Many of you who fall within the parameters specified in the title of the thread are embarking or considering college, or possibly an immediate entry into the workforce. Some of you are women. All of you will need transportation within the coming years of your life. You will need clean air to breathe and water to drink. Some will have families to support in the future.

 

 Now, all of you have gone through the American educational system. All of you have learned of the Founding Father's incredible fears of the leadership of the country falling into the hands of the rich, the powerful, and those with vast amounts of wealth. They feared a government fueled by lust for power, greed, obedience. The Founding Fathers also warned against an America divided between two parties set against each other at impossible angles, and only two parties, whose only policy is the exact opposite of the other.

 

 We all know and joke about this, because this has become the political landscape of America since the death of Washington.

 

  Likewise, under the American educational system, you've learned a knee-jerk hatred of the words "socialism" and "communism", without learning the differences, or, specifically, the conditions under which certain countries turned to these economic and social systems to try and improve their country.

   

 Most Americans see red, if you will. Most picture starvation. A man with a beard. A book revered like a bible to countries where the people labor as mice to feed the fat cats.

 

 But if you are young, and you don't want to labor for 40 hours a week to remain in poverty; trap yourself into an endless spiral of debt for the heinous crime of wanting to educate yourself; if you understand that REGARDLESS of the scientific proof or disproof of climate change, people need clean air and water, and trees need to be planted, and species need to be protected; if you feel the need to protect the statuses of your bodies as women; if you have an interest in improving the crumbling infrastructure of America, of providing railroads and subways and highways at not just modern standards, but the standards of the future; if you feel sound health should be a right to Americans, and no one should live in fear of something living within them that will spell either death or bankruptcy; if you feel at a loss at the subject of politics, knowing no power on earth can break the choke-hold of the billionaires and the two-party system.

 

 Then please.

 

 Please.

 

 For the future good of the United States-

 

 Consider voting for Bernie Sanders. 

 

 feelthebern.com is a great website to visit to better educate yourself on his views, as I don't have the space to lay them all out here and it's important to learn all you can about a candidate.

 

 But Bernie has the interests of the middle class in mind. He wants you to get educated, he wants you to raise a family, he wants you to find success and feel secure and have a voice in the system.

 

 He's an independent party candidate. Even if he wins the Democratic nomination, he will still act in his own interests. We will have finally, finally broken the two-party system.

 

 He identifies as a democratic socialist. This means he advocates capitalism, and does not want the destruction of big business. Rather, he intends that people should not have money and rights stripped from them, and rather, big business should try and use profit for the benefit of the people, compelled to do so by benefits from the government. He believes everyone should live with a safety net. 

 

 He is not Karl Marx. This is an important distinction to make.

 

 Several European countries operate under this system, including Germany. They provide free healthcare and education. They provide remarkably higher standards of vacation and maternity leave. They provide modern public transit. Their currency is worth more than the American dollar. 

 

 THIS IS A PROVEN SYSTEM.

 

 Please. Please vote for the one candidate that can transform the political landscape of America more incredibly than has ever been accomplished in history.

 

 Participate. 

 

 Vote.

 

 Feel the Bern!

Edited September 5, 2015 by Oblivion

[Godskeybladewarrior 73]

 Bernie has a huge following of young college students of voting age. All they see are the positives to what he brings to the table, but it is the backlash to the ideas he has that worry me. Any time someone mentions anything is for free, I laugh my butt off. Nothing is ever free. When people say free health care, someone puts their time and effort into helping patients. The patients themselves don't pay for their service, so who does? The taxpayers, people who work and give a damn.Here's the deal, Oblivion: I hate bringing stupid politics on sites like this because it divides us. We who have come together for a common interest. I love Kingdom Hearts. We all do. We can all agree on that one fact. And out of respect for our common interest, I read your little spiel.And in respect for that common love, I have something to say as well. Go to some politic left wing site to try and convince young men and women (odd how I included both genders, rather then just selectively targeting women) to vote for a certain politician. I've done that myself and yet I learn new things daily. I'm a normal, 18 year old college student and I ask you listen and conscider what I have said. We wish to escape reality here and find friends, have fun and do dumb things.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[PillowHead 569]

  On 9/5/2015 at 4:16 AM, Godskeybladewarrior said:

 Bernie has a huge following of young college students of voting age. All they see are the positives to what he brings to the table, but it is the backlash to the ideas he has that worry me. Any time someone mentions anything is for free, I laugh my butt off. Nothing is ever free. When people say free health care, someone puts their time and effort into helping patients. The patients themselves don't pay for their service, so who does? The taxpayers, people who work and give a damn.Here's the deal, Oblivion: I hate bringing stupid politics on sites like this because it divides us. We who have come together for a common interest. I love Kingdom Hearts. We all do. We can all agree on that one fact. And out of respect for our common interest, I read your little spiel.And in respect for that common love, I have something to say as well.  Go to some politic left wing site to try and convince young men and women (odd how I included both genders, rather then just selectively targeting women) to vote for a certain politician.  I've done that myself and yet I learn new things daily. I'm a normal, 18 year old college student and I ask you listen and conscider what I have said. We wish to escape reality here and find friends, have fun and do dumb things.

You were not obligated in anyway to read his post.  You saw it was something political and continued to read it.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[BlankShell 638]

I am an American (at least as far as voting is concerned), I am over 18, and I read your post.

 

Still gonna vote for Clinton because I'd prefer my time not be wasted. Don't get me wrong, I love Bernie Sanders and I love what he's doing to the system and the immense passion he seems to be igniting. It's all fantastic. But there's cynicism and there's realism. It's a fine line. But it's just not in the cards this time around.

[Kaweebo 3,617]

I don't plan on voting ever, (Especially so I won't fall victim to the draft if the US ever re-implements it) but Sanders seems like a decent guy, so I wish him luck. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Peoples let's not be rude. If you don't want to read and discuss this then do not post here. It's that simple. Let the people that want to post on this post in a respectful manner.Thanks!

[Espurr 28]

  On 9/5/2015 at 3:13 AM, Oblivion said:

 feelthebern.com is a great website to visit to better educate yourself on his views, as I don't have the space to lay them all out here and it's important to learn all you can about a candidate.

It be nice if the website actually had something on it...  .-. I literally don't see anything about his views. 

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 Several European countries operate under this system, including Germany. They provide free healthcare and education.

Like Godskeybladewarrior already said, there is no such thing as "free" helthcare. All that is going to do is force people to pay more taxes.