Who do you think the other 7 Seekers of Darkness are?

[okhi12 4]

Yeah, but how can Xehanort recruit data versions of them? I don't think it's possible for data-versions of beings to be roaming around the real world. Their bodies aren't even real ones to begin with.

 

Well, the process can be done backwards, and then it can be reverted. Sora was completely (by completely I mean Mind/Soul, Body and Heart) transformed into data and entered Space paranoids, and then, being just data, reverted to a real being in Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden when he exited Space paranoids. The same with Donald and Goofy, and happened again in KH Coded when Mickey, Donald, Goofy; Pete and Maleficent entered the Datascape and they get out of it. Even Roxas was made into data in the Virtual Twilight Town, and exited it before merging with Sora If I remember well.

My point is, if you completely transform a real being into data and then it can be reverted back to real, then artificial data should be allowed to be processed backwards to become real. Because data is just data, and the way it is processed should be the same.

Sure, this may not be the case, but in an universe were Heartless ARE hearts (meh) and people can be divided into Heartless that are hearts and Nobodies who result to be somebody's body (yeah... KH stuff) and can become somebody after growing a heart (what?) it would not be so strange that artificial data becomes real.

OK, I'll be serious again... we just need to merge the process to create replica, and the artificial simulation foretellers and we have something that may not be the true original foretellers, but for practical purposes serve like they are. After all, If the data or illusion foretellers are summoned by the Book of Prophecy and implanted into replica bodies, they would be exactly the same as the originals... and potential Xehanort vessels. I'm almost sure this reasoning may be full of holes that I'm yet to see, but if Nomura invented all that time travel stuff in KH3D with a pretty lame explication (more like doesn't explaining anything at all), I think this is at the very least plausible.

[Guest]

Well, the process can be done backwards, and then it can be reverted. Sora was completely (by completely I mean Mind/Soul, Body and Heart) transformed into data and entered Space paranoids, and then, being just data, reverted to a real being in Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden when he exited Space paranoids. The same with Donald and Goofy, and happened again in KH Coded when Mickey, Donald, Goofy; Pete and Maleficent entered the Datascape and they get out of it. Even Roxas was made into data in the Virtual Twilight Town, and exited it before merging with Sora If I remember well.

My point is, if you completely transform a real being into data and then it can be reverted back to real, then artificial data should be allowed to be processed backwards to become real. Because data is just data, and the way it is processed should be the same.

Sure, this may not be the case, but in an universe were Heartless ARE hearts (meh) and people can be divided into Heartless that are hearts and Nobodies who result to be somebody's body (yeah... KH stuff) and can become somebody after growing a heart (what?) it would not be so strange that artificial data becomes real.

OK, I'll be serious again... we just need to merge the process to create replica, and the artificial simulation foretellers and we have something that may not be the true original foretellers, but for practical purposes serve like they are. After all, If the data or illusion foretellers are summoned by the Book of Prophecy and implanted into replica bodies, they would be exactly the same as the originals... and potential Xehanort vessels. I'm almost sure this reasoning may be full of holes that I'm yet to see, but if Nomura invented all that time travel stuff in KH3D with a pretty lame explication (more like doesn't explaining anything at all), I think this is at the very least plausible.

 

Exactly, in ReCoded, it's been shown that Data Sora grew his own heart despite knowing his fate as a Replica. Data Roxas was far different from the original Roxas as he's much more aggressive and antagonistic. Xion believed that she was real, when in reality, she was nothing more that Sora's image of Kairi personified. 

 

These data simulated foretellers would be having the same dilemma as Replica Riku. They would be angered of the fact that they are not acting according to their own will, rather, they are entirely pre-programmed to transcribe events and actions out of their control. These datascape foretellers would then happily accept their fate as Xehanorts vessels, because, it would mean in their eyes that they have an identity of their own.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

2: There are no hints towards this throgout the series such as with Saix and Xigbar. 

Sorry, I didn't word myself well. What I meant was that his Somebody could have been made a vessel off screen, as in after/if he returned to normal.

[okhi12 4]

Exactly, in ReCoded, it's been shown that Data Sora grew his own heart despite knowing his fate as a Replica. Data Roxas was far different from the original Roxas as he's much more aggressive and antagonistic. Xion believed that she was real, when in reality, she was nothing more that Sora's image of Kairi personified. 

 

These data simulated foretellers would be having the same dilemma as Replica Riku. They would be angered of the fact that they are not acting according to their own will, rather, they are entirely pre-programmed to transcribe events and actions out of their control. These datascape foretellers would then happily accept their fate as Xehanorts vessels, because, it would mean in their eyes that they have an identity of their own.

I can see that in KH, but I would be more concerned about becoming someone else than just not being real at all. A replica wants a sense of self, it's own identity. Becoming someone else is the problem and not the answer, because Riku Replica hated to be a copy of Riku. The Foretellers becoming vessels means the same as becoming a copy of Xehanort, it just aggravate the dilemma. But I think there would not be dilemma. Xion was a refined replica and she had a different dilemma. She wanted to know who she was, but she liked to be herself because of her friends. She didn't hate Sora or Roxas, and developed a true self. If the Foretellers' Replicas are a high quality replica as Xion was, they may overcome the dilemma as well.

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

Xion ressurected by Xehanort.

That's the only way I want Xion to return. That would be an interesting twist.

[matteso586 115]

Most of the seeker's seen in KH3D went back to their own time, remember?

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Most of the seeker's seen in KH3D went back to their own time, remember?

And they'll obviously come back in Kingdom Hearts 3. They will be the antagonists for that game. -_-

Edited September 4, 2015 by Master Eraqus

[Forever 3,550]

I Definitely think the Foretellers could be involved. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Xehanort went back in time, recruited them, and then headed back to his own time like nothing ever happened. (It's probably what triggered the first War, who knows.) However, even though it's odd, but there's still a chance organization members 9-12 could be in there....A little hard to imagine an evil Demyx, but I wouldn't put it past Nomura.

[Vexen 73]

Sorry, I didn't word myself well. What I meant was that his Somebody could have been made a vessel off screen, as in after/if he returned to normal.

That's possible. However, I think we've had enough of retcon-stuff already.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

That's possible. However, I think we've had enough of retcon-stuff already.

How is that a retcon exactly?

[Gwynbleidd 551]

How is that a retcon exactly?

If you mean Rould being a vessel then yeah, I agree with you. I can see this happening and would personally love to see him as a Seeker of Darkness.

[Guest]

I can see that in KH, but I would be more concerned about becoming someone else than just not being real at all. A replica wants a sense of self, it's own identity. Becoming someone else is the problem and not the answer, because Riku Replica hated to be a copy of Riku. The Foretellers becoming vessels means the same as becoming a copy of Xehanort, it just aggravate the dilemma. But I think there would not be dilemma. Xion was a refined replica and she had a different dilemma. She wanted to know who she was, but she liked to be herself because of her friends. She didn't hate Sora or Roxas, and developed a true self. If the Foretellers' Replicas are a high quality replica as Xion was, they may overcome the dilemma as well.

 

The difference between Riku Replica and the hypothetical datascape foretellers is that Replica Riku never came into contact with any incarnation of Xehanort. Xehanort is manipulative and would be devious enough to convince the datascape foretellers that starting the Keyblade War would be the best course of action in order to balance light and darkness. It would also be the means to differentiate themselves from the real Foretellers that they are based of.

[okhi12 4]

The difference between Riku Replica and the hypothetical datascape foretellers is that Replica Riku never came into contact with any incarnation of Xehanort. Xehanort is manipulative and would be devious enough to convince the datascape foretellers that starting the Keyblade War would be the best course of action in order to balance light and darkness. It would also be the means to differentiate themselves from the real Foretellers that they are based of.

If they become vessels they will be different from the original Foretellers, but more similar to Xehanort. It all depends on how their dilemma (if any) manifests. But I think the hypothetical datascape Foretellers becoming vessels would be very plausible given how manipulative Xehanort is, as you said.

[Guest]

If they become vessels they will be different from the original Foretellers, but more similar to Xehanort. It all depends on how their dilemma (if any) manifests. But I think the hypothetical datascape Foretellers becoming vessels would be very plausible given how manipulative Xehanort is, as you said.

 

Exactly, the original foretellers have already made their mark on history and their fates cannot be changed as they've already made history before Xehanort left Destiny Islands. Datascape projections however can be tinkered with. Xehanort could have gone all out and easily reprogrammed them to be vessels for Xehanort eliminating the need for the datascape Foretellers to have a dilemma in the first place (like Pete reprogramming Data Riku to become a servant to his bidding).

[Vexen 73]

How is that a retcon exactly?

Maybe that isn't the right word. However, what I want is that Luxord being a SoD has to make sense. There's got to be a good reason and explanation for it.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Maybe that isn't the right word. However, what I want is that Luxord being a SoD has to make sense. There's got to be a good reason and explanation for it.

Oh yeah, definitely. I agree with you there.

 

He'll probably get some character development and we'll most likely see the reasons behind why Xehanort chose him as a member for the SOD's.

[Guest]

Oh yeah, definitely. I agree with you there.

 

He'll probably get some character development and we'll most likely see the reasons behind why Xehanort chose him as a member for the SOD's.

 

Well, I believe the reason why Master Xehanort chose Luxord is linked to Ventus... here me out here.

 

Xehanort selected Ventus to be his pupil, however, we don't even know where and when this occurred. My proposition is that Master Xehanort (as an adult) came to Ventus homeworld and took Ventus at a very young age with the facade that he was going to teach him the ways of the Keyblade. But with Ventus being so young, who could have possibly spoken on his behalf... Luxord. But why would Luxord be with Ventus? simple: they're both brothers, however, they are not biological brothers, rather, they are adoptive brothers.

 

I may be stretching it here, however, hear what I have to say. Luxord is a gambler: he leaves his chances to fate. He would have gambled the fate of Ventus to Master Xehanort in order for Ventus to have a better future. In the search of vessels, chances are, he may have set his eyes on Luxord if Ventus was to fail. Thus, Luxord was 'norted, however, his process is taking far longer to accomplish as evident by his blue eyes in Kingdom Hearts 2.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Well, I believe the reason why Master Xehanort chose Luxord is linked to Ventus... here me out here.

 

Xehanort selected Ventus to be his pupil, however, we don't even know where and when this occurred. My proposition is that Master Xehanort (as an adult) came to Ventus homeworld and took Ventus at a very young age with the facade that he was going to teach him the ways of the Keyblade. But with Ventus being so young, who could have possibly spoken on his behalf... Luxord. But why would Luxord be with Ventus? simple: they're both brothers, however, they are not biological brothers, rather, they are adoptive brothers.

 

I may be stretching it here, however, hear what I have to say. Luxord is a gambler: he leaves his chances to fate. He would have gambled the fate of Ventus to Master Xehanort in order for Ventus to have a better future. In the search of vessels, chances are, he may have set his eyes on Luxord if Ventus was to fail. Thus, Luxord was 'norted, however, his process is taking far longer to accomplish as evident by his blue eyes in Kingdom Hearts 2.

This is a very interesting idea. It was never really explained where Xehanort found/met Ventus.

 

However, I would have to disagree with the 'norting' of Luxord (or in this case, his Somebody) even before the events of BBS. If he was made a vessel before BBS, then he would have had yellow eyes during the events of KH2 since we see Saix with yellow eyes and he would have been made a vessel after Luxord's Somebody.

 

Other than this, I think your hypothesis (is that the right word?) is quite an interesting one.

[Guest]

This is a very interesting idea. It was never really explained where Xehanort found/met Ventus.

 

However, I would have to disagree with the 'norting' of Luxord (or in this case, his Somebody) even before the events of BBS. If he was made a vessel before BBS, then he would have had yellow eyes during the events of KH2 since we see Saix with yellow eyes and he would have been made a vessel after Luxord's Somebody.

 

Other than this, I think your hypothesis (is that the right word?) is quite an interesting one.

 

Aah, but you see: I never said that Master Xehanort 'norted Luxord, rather, he just kept an eye on him. I believe that Xemnas was the one that 'norted Luxord like he norted Isa (which is probably a reason as to why he selected Luxord to be in the Organisation in the first place). 

 

As far as Ventus and Luxord being adoptive brothers, it provides Luxord with more of a relevance and connection of his character in the Kingdom Hearts series.

[Vexen 73]

 

 

As far as Ventus and Luxord being adoptive brothers, it provides Luxord with more of a relevance and connection of his character in the Kingdom Hearts series.

 

But he didn't seem to give it much thought when a nobody who looked exactly like his brother became a member of the Organization. 

[Guest]

But he didn't seem to give it much thought when a nobody who looked exactly like his brother became a member of the Organization. 

 

Certain Nobodies have their memories either hidden or repressed (like Terra's memories from Xemnas). Luxord could have been in a similar position himself.

Besides, the same argument can be made about Xigbar not comparing Roxas to Ventus and not calling Xion "identical" to Roxas.