A theory related to Young Xehanort

[soraspromise 380]

I stand firmly in my beliefs but we'll find out in KH3  

 

I just think 'a haircut' is much too simplistic of an explanation. I also think showing YMX looking like that in the KH3 trailer is to signify that he's related to Riku in some form (he's originally from Destiny Islands so it's not too far fetched of an idea) and also why they flash an image of Xehanort over young Riku & then he becomes the teen Riku that we know from KH2 in Birth by Sleep. 

 

Overall I really want the mainland of Destiny Islands to be playable specifically for the purpose of finding out more about Xehanort's background. I guess that's sort of off subject but it's still a theory about YMX =P

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

Just because something isn't 'stated' in KH, it doesn't mean it's not there. Are you just going to ignore the fact that Xemnas spoke to Aqua's armour, showed familiarity with Roxas, tried to find Ventus armour in CO and say they are 'coincidences' or disregard them? If so, then wow. THE YOUNG XEHANORT from the cutscene in the beginning of BBS HAS NOT TIME travelled yet but has been given the powers. We see them standing in the exact same spots when approached by Ansem SOD, and when saying 'this world is just too small'. The quote implies him wanting to explore other places and do other things, such as using the powers he was given.  Also, just because Xehanort doesn't notice Ansem SOD doesn't mean his heart didn't. Hearts can sense things that the mind cannot. Isa by coincidence has the same hairstyle as Terra. That's it. The reason Young Xehanort has been affected is because the other norts are different versions of him. Isa is not a different version of Xemnas or Ansem SOD, he's just a guy with a portion of Xehanort's heart in him. Young Xehanort doesn't HAVE TO BE RIGHT NEXT to someone for their heart to affect his, a heart can merely be in the presence of another and sense it. Hearts are extremely sentient. And in DDD it was stated by YX himself he will eventually return to his own time and forget all his time travel experiences, therefore if he stated that after he came back, it would've implied he'd remembered things. Which would mean he knows what was going to happen in the future and potentially try to change things, which would go against the laws of KH and the universe. Thus, no one should be able to remember their experiences of time travel.  When YX returns to his own time, his hair goes back to the hairstyle in the KH3 trailer, because there are no norts around him anymore. Oh and you said 'Even after YX went back to the past his hair was the same as DDD'which I believe to be false because of my counter argument as stated above.  I refuse to believe the answer to this question is something as insignificant as 'oh he got a haircut'. It's KH for crying out loud, there's obviously far more going on that people refuse to recognise. In the end, it all depends on whether the opening cutscene of BBS was before Ansem arrived, or afterwards.If it was before, then you've won, but if it was afterwards, then my theory has the edge.

I stand firmly in my beliefs but we'll find out in KH3   I just think 'a haircut' is much too simplistic of an explanation. I also think showing YMX looking like that in the KH3 trailer is to signify that he's related to Riku in some form (he's originally from Destiny Islands so it's not too far fetched of an idea) and also why they flash an image of Xehanort over young Riku & then he becomes the teen Riku that we know from KH2 in Birth by Sleep.  Overall I really want the mainland of Destiny Islands to be playable specifically for the purpose of finding out more about Xehanort's background. I guess that's sort of off subject but it's still a theory about YMX =P

I can't believe you guys are trying to make a big deal over freaking hair.

[Felixx 6,646]

I can't believe you guys are trying to make a big deal over freaking hair.

 

That's because we are speaking here about Nomura, and he never makes anything without a reason behind it. The fact that YX hair looks completely different in the E3 trailer than in DDD is kinda suspicious.

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

That's because we are speaking here about Nomura, and he never makes anything without a reason behind it. The fact that YX hair looks completely different in the E3 trailer than in DDD is kinda suspicious.

Oh I dunno, different graphics? The fact that KH3 YX is YOUNGER than DDD YX? The fact that it's JUST HAIR?

[Felixx 6,646]

Oh I dunno, different graphics? The fact that KH3 YX is YOUNGER than DDD YX? The fact that it's JUST HAIR?

 

Maybe, but the fact that his hair in DDD looks completely the same as Terras hair can't be a coincidence.

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

Maybe, but the fact that his hair in DDD looks completely the same as Terras hair can't be a coincidence.

Maybe so people could know that it's Xehanort?

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Just because something isn't 'stated' in KH, it doesn't mean it's not there. Are you just going to ignore the fact that Xemnas spoke to Aqua's armour, showed familiarity with Roxas, tried to find Ventus armour in CO and say they are 'coincidences' or disregard them? If so, then wow.

Wait what? You've literally confused me now? You literally just repeated what I said. When did Xemnas talking to Aqua's armour and the other things on that list come in to play? I never said I ignored them. What do they have to do with what I said!? I said that if something isn't mentioned or seen, doesn't mean that they don't exist. You looked like you implied that hair salons don't exist in the KH universe and I brought up the fact that because we haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. What does that list you gave have anything to do with the existence of hair salons and cockroaches?!

 

 

THE YOUNG XEHANORT from the cutscene in the beginning of BBS HAS NOT TIME travelled yet but has been given the powers. We see them standing in the exact same spots when approached by Ansem SOD, and when saying 'this world is just too small'. The quote implies him wanting to explore other places and do other things, such as using the powers he was given.

 

In the end, it all depends on whether the opening cutscene of BBS was before Ansem arrived, or afterwards.

You took the words out of my mouth there. I don't need to argue. You said it yourself: We don't know if this happens before or after he time travels.

 

 

Also, just because Xehanort doesn't notice Ansem SOD doesn't mean his heart didn't. Hearts can sense things that the mind cannot.

I can't really argue here.

 

 

Isa by coincidence has the same hairstyle as Terra. That's it. The reason Young Xehanort has been affected is because the other norts are different versions of him. Isa is not a different version of Xemnas or Ansem SOD, he's just a guy with a portion of Xehanort's heart in him.

Exactly! It's a coincidence that Isa has the same hairstyle as Terra so it's not out of the realm of possibility if Young Xehanort had the same hairstyle by coincidence.

 

 

Young Xehanort doesn't HAVE TO BE RIGHT NEXT to someone for their heart to affect his, a heart can merely be in the presence of another and sense it. Hearts are extremely sentient.

Yes, hearts are extremely sentient, but are you implying that Young Xehanort's hair just changed instantly like 'POOF' when Ansem SOD arrived? Did his hair change as quick as the snap of fingers?

 

 

And in DDD it was stated by YX himself he will eventually return to his own time and forget all his time travel experiences, therefore if he stated that after he came back, it would've implied he'd remembered things. Which would mean he knows what was going to happen in the future and potentially try to change things, which would go against the laws of KH and the universe. Thus, no one should be able to remember their experiences of time travel.

Yes, he forgot all of his experiences of his time travelling and all the events of DDD, BUT we have to remember that in Kingdom Hearts, it has been stated multiple times that memories are never lost for good. Example: Sora may have forgotten the events of COM and might never remember them, but the memories of those events are still within his heart, as stated by Namine.

 

Even Young Xehanort implies this. He may forgotten the events of DDD and forgets what the future has in store for him, but his destiny lied then within his heart and it was what helped to wish to leave to the outside world. I quote from Young Xehanort after the Xemnas battle in DDD: "I will return to my own time and grow into the man who becomes all these others. While I know this future now that I have lived it, returning to my own time will erase the memories and experiences I have gained here. Still, my appointed path is now etched in my heart, WHICH WILL FIRST LEAD ME TO SEEK THE OUTSIDE WORLD."

Edited August 21, 2015 by Master Eraqus

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

Wait what? You've literally confused me now? You literally just repeated what I said. When did Xemnas talking to Aqua's armour and the other things on that list come in to play? I never said I ignored them. What do they have to do with what I said!? I said that if something isn't mentioned or seen, doesn't mean that they don't exist. You looked like you implied that hair salons don't exist in the KH universe and I brought up the fact that because we haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. What does that list you gave have anything to do with the existence of hair salons and cockroaches?! You took the words out of my mouth there. I don't need to argue. You said it yourself: We don't know if this happens before or after he time travels. I can't really argue here. Exactly! It's a coincidence that Isa has the same hairstyle as Terra so it's not out of the realm of possibility if Young Xehanort had the same hairstyle by coincidence. Yes, hearts are extremely sentient, but are you implying that Young Xehanort's hair just changed instantly like 'POOF' when Ansem SOD arrived? Did his hair change as quick as the snap of fingers? Yes, he forgot all of his experiences of his time travelling and all the events of DDD, BUT we have to remember that in Kingdom Hearts, it has been stated that memories are never lost for good. Example: Sora may have forgotten the events of COM and might never remember them, but the memories of those events are still within his heart, as stated by Namine. Even Young Xehanort implies this. He may forgotten the events of DDD and forgets what the future has in store for him, his destiny lied then within his heart and it was what helped to wish to leave to the outside world. I quote from Young Xehanort after the Xemnas battle in DDD: "I will return to my own time and grow into the man who becomes all these others. While I know this future now that I have lived it, returning to my own time will erase the memories and experiences I have gained here. Still, my appointed path is now etched in my heart, WHICH WILL FIRST LEAD ME TO SEEK THE OUTSIDE WORLD."

Cant we all agree that it's just hair?

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

Maybe a haircut?

Are you for real? I never said there was a chain, I said to envision things as a metaphorical chain. Your obviously just skimming through what I said... Pfft. You people complain KH is complicated and when someone poses an answer you disregard it like it's nothing.

Yes I am for real! Just because I disagree with you does not mean I disregard it.

 

Wait what? You've literally confused me now? You literally just repeated what I said. When did Xemnas talking to Aqua's armour and the other things on that list come in to play? I never said I ignored them. What do they have to do with what I said!? I said that if something isn't mentioned or seen, doesn't mean that they don't exist. You looked like you implied that hair salons don't exist in the KH universe and I brought up the fact that because we haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't exist. What does that list you gave have anything to do with the existence of hair salons and cockroaches?!

 

You took the words out of my mouth there. I don't need to argue. You said it yourself: We don't know if this happens before or after he time travels.

 

I can't really argue here.

 

Exactly! It's a coincidence that Isa has the same hairstyle as Terra so it's not out of the realm of possibility if Young Xehanort had the same hairstyle by coincidence.

 

Yes, hearts are extremely sentient, but are you implying that Young Xehanort's hair just changed instantly like 'POOF' when Ansem SOD arrived? Did his hair change as quick as the snap of fingers?

 

Yes, he forgot all of his experiences of his time travelling and all the events of DDD, BUT we have to remember that in Kingdom Hearts, it has been stated multiple times that memories are never lost for good. Example: Sora may have forgotten the events of COM and might never remember them, but the memories of those events are still within his heart, as stated by Namine.

 

Even Young Xehanort implies this. He may forgotten the events of DDD and forgets what the future has in store for him, but his destiny lied then within his heart and it was what helped to wish to leave to the outside world. I quote from Young Xehanort after the Xemnas battle in DDD: "I will return to my own time and grow into the man who becomes all these others. While I know this future now that I have lived it, returning to my own time will erase the memories and experiences I have gained here. Still, my appointed path is now etched in my heart, WHICH WILL FIRST LEAD ME TO SEEK THE OUTSIDE WORLD."

I agree with this. Traits of another do not affect the traits of that person they come in contact with. Otherwise, Sora would have hair that looks similar to at least thirteen or more people. The versions of Xehanort do not affect each others traits when they come in contact with each other. YX had the hair then and he had a haircut in KH3. For all we know, it could have been a mistake on Nomura's part for not matching the hair in KH3 to KH3D.

Edited August 21, 2015 by WakelessDream

[soraspromise 380]

whoa whoa whoa. I think we all need to take it down a notch. I just wanted to have a discussion, not a battle. I could be wrong, but I could be right too. There's no way to know until the game comes out.

 

It's really quite pointless for everyone to go back and forth saying who's wrong and who's right. I've defended my theory as much as I really can and I see that there's flaws, but I also know there's about a million and one things in KH that are severely flawed so that doesn't lead me to believe it can't still be possible haha. 

Edited August 21, 2015 by soraspromise

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

whoa whoa whoa. I think we all need to take it down a notch. I just wanted to have a discussion, not a battle. I could be wrong, but I could be right too. There's no way to know until the game comes out.

 

It's really quite pointless to go back and forth saying who's wrong and who's right. 

Yeah, but these cannot go unnoticed:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2015 by Master Eraqus

[soraspromise 380]

Yeah, but these cannot go unnoticed:

 

I was talking to everybody which is why I didn't quote anybody specifically. Everyone needs to tone it down lol. If I had seen those posts earlier before everyone got into it, I would have said the same. 

Edited August 21, 2015 by soraspromise

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

Yes I am for real! Just because I disagree with you does not mean I disregard it.

 

I agree with this. Traits of another do not affect the traits of that person they come in contact with. Otherwise, Sora would have hair that looks similar to at least thirteen or more people. The versions of Xehanort do not affect each others traits when they come in contact with each other. YX had the hair then and he had a haircut in KH3. For all we know, it could have been a mistake on Nomura's part for not matching the hair in KH3 to KH3D.

 

Traits of one person don't affect those they come in contact with'.

If they have the exact same heart, they do.

Hearts are connected so they share ties and links to each other, YX bares the same heart as the others and when his sensed the heart of his former self with fragments of Terra's, it took on those similarities because that's what he would have looked like if he'd had any part's of Terra's heart inside him.

 

This page keeps refreshing so I've lost half the stuff i'd wrote. Grr lemme edit it.

 

 

First off, just because memories are etched into one persons heart does not mean they remember everything that occurred. Does Sora remember a single thing from COM? There goes your argument.

 

The laws of time travel must be extremely full proof so that no one can alter history. By YX losing all memories when travelling back to his own time it is the KH universes' way of ensuring history is not changed or altered in any way, otherwise things would be messed up. Young Xehanort was a curious person by personality and just a teenager who was bored of his own home, that's all there is to it. If he'd remembered what to do, then it would imply he remembers his time travel experience which would mean that he would probably end up altering time which goes against the laws of science and makes no sense to the KH timeline.

 

Xemnas talking to Aqua's armour implies that he has fragments of Terra's heart or a large portion of it inside him. Without this argument, my whole theory wouldn't work.

Xemnas also says to roxas when he's sleeping, something along the lines of 'so you sleep once again'. Showing that he remembers Ventus, Xemnas also sent the traitors of Org 13 to CO to find Ven's body. So he obviously remembers who Ven is. These could be MX traits, but what would be the point if he doesn't know where the heart was? I assume that Xemnas wanted to see his old friend. MX had no use for Ventus because he was too

soft so what would be the point?

 

Oh and yes I agree, if we haven't seen something in KH it obviously means it's not there,aside from obvious things like particles.

Edited August 21, 2015 by WakelessDream

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

First off, just because memories are etched into one persons heart does not mean they remember everything that occurred. Does Sora remember a single thing from COM? There goes your argument.

 

The laws of time travel must be extremely full proof so that no one can alter history. By YX losing all memories when travelling back to his own time it is the KH universes' way of ensuring history is not changed or altered in any way, otherwise things would be messed up. Young Xehanort was a curious person by personality and just a teenager who was bored of his own home, that's all there is to it. If he'd remembered what to do, then it would imply he remembers his time travel experience which would mean that he would probably end up altering time which goes against the laws of science and makes no sense to the KH timeline.

I never said that Young Xehanort remembered the events of DDD. I said it myself that Sora doesn't remember the events of COM. But the fact remains that the memories are etched into Young Xehanort's heart and while he doesn't remember them, they still help destine his path and in a way influence Young Xehanort to seek out the outside world. "I will return to my own time and grow into the man who becomes all these others. While I know this future now that I have lived it, returning to my own time will erase the memories and experiences I have gained here. Still, my appointed path is now etched in my heart, which will first LEAD me to seek the outside world." You seem to be repeating things I say.

 

 

 

Xemnas talking to Aqua's armour implies that he has fragments of Terra's heart or a large portion of it inside him. Without this argument, my whole theory wouldn't work.

Xemnas also says to roxas when he's sleeping, something along the lines of 'so you sleep once again'. Showing that he remembers Ventus, Xemnas also sent the traitors of Org 13 to CO to find Ven's body. So he obviously remembers who Ven is. These could be MX traits, but what would be the point if he doesn't know where the heart was? I assume that Xemnas wanted to see his old friend. MX had no use for Ventus because he was too

soft so what would be the point?

I should have worded myself more clearly. My apologies. What I meant to say was Xemnas did not have Terra's heart or a portion of it, BUT he definitely has the memories of both Master Xehanort and Terra, since Xemnas is the Nobody of Terra-Xehanort (or Apprentice Xehanort). So most likely, the heart of Xemnas, that eventually grew, was 'influenced' (I don't know what word to actually use here) by both Terra's and Roy Conli's... uhm... I mean Master Xehanort's.

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

I never said that Young Xehanort remembered the events of DDD. I said it myself that Sora doesn't remember the events of COM. But the fact remains that the memories are etched into Young Xehanort's heart and while he doesn't remember them, they still help destine his path and in a way influence Young Xehanort to seek out the outside world. "I will return to my own time and grow into the man who becomes all these others. While I know this future now that I have lived it, returning to my own time will erase the memories and experiences I have gained here. Still, my appointed path is now etched in my heart, which will first LEAD me to seek the outside world." You seem to be repeating things I say.

 

I should have worded myself more clearly. My apologies. What I meant to say was Xemnas did not have Terra's heart or a portion of it, BUT he definitely has the memories of both Master Xehanort and Terra, since Xemnas is the Nobody of Terra-Xehanort (or Apprentice Xehanort). So most likely, the heart of Xemnas, that eventually grew, was 'influenced' (I don't know what word to actually use here) by both Terra's and Roy Conli's... uhm... I mean Master Xehanort's.

 

I like debating with you, your actually friendly and quite sincere unlike other people. I'll get back to you later, i need to take a break from the computer.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

I like debating with you, your actually friendly and quite sincere unlike other people. I'll get back to you later, i need to take a break from the computer.

I try to calm things down when things get rough.

[Gwynbleidd 551]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but Riku's hair had been cut, yet there had never been an explanation behind it. From this, I am merely concluding that Young Xehanort had a haircut for the reason being that Nomura wanted to change his character design. I don't think there is a reason behind it, because there doesn't have to be an explanation. You could argue however that Sora's hair had been changed for a more mature look; one that matches his maturity and athleticism.

[soraspromise 380]

Forgive me if I am wrong, but Riku's hair had been cut, yet there had never been an explanation behind it. From this, I am merely concluding that Young Xehanort had a haircut for the reason being that Nomura wanted to change his character design. I don't think there is a reason behind it, because there doesn't have to be an explanation. You could argue however that Sora's hair had been changed for a more mature look; one that matches his maturity and athleticism.

 

Sora & Riku's were both subtle/easy changes; Sora's being pushed a bit up and his front hair becoming a bit more side swept while Riku literally just had about half a foot chopped off.

 

Sora's was for growth and a "new look" while Riku's was to represent he's going through a big change (this is a BIG thing in many Asian cultures). 

 

Xehanort's doesn't have an explanation (yet). And how could he be younger in KH3 trailer when he's training to be a Keyblade Master with Eraqus but yet when he's on Destiny Islands, it's assumed he's never left the islands? [not a point you brought up, but one that's been brought up in the topic]

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Hmm, that does sound interesting. After all, the heart shapes the body, so you could be on to something! And now that I look at the images, Young Xehanort does strike a great resemblance to Terranort! Maybe this shall be expanded further upon in KH3?

[Gwynbleidd 551]

Sora & Riku's were both subtle/easy changes; Sora's being pushed a bit up and his front hair becoming a bit more side swept while Riku literally just had about half a foot chopped off. Sora's was for growth and a "new look" while Riku's was to represent he's going through a big change (this is a BIG thing in many Asian cultures).  Xehanort's doesn't have an explanation (yet). And how could he be younger in KH3 trailer when he's training to be a Keyblade Master with Eraqus but yet when he's on Destiny Islands, it's assumed he's never left the islands? [not a point you brought up, but one that's been brought up in the topic]

I actually don't know!

[Komali 594]

I believe that Nomura just wanted to show the strong similarities between Riku and Xehanort.

 

Remember the cutscene where Terra met Riku on Destinys Island and his heart reacted to him. He saw Young Xehanort and the Riku we know now but with longer hair. Maybe Nomura really want to make the parallels between Riku and Xehanort clear and that could lead to something in KH3.

 

[imagine if this rebirth theory about the foretellers is right, what if Unicornis was the traitor among the foretellers and he worked together with the sixth one. Riku would then be the reincarnation of Unicornis, but that's just a theory without any clear evidence.]

[soraspromise 380]

I believe that Nomura just wanted to show the strong similarities between Riku and Xehanort.Remember the cutscene where Terra met Riku on Destinys Island and his heart reacted to him. He saw Young Xehanort and the Riku we know now but with longer hair. Maybe Nomura really want to make the parallels between Riku and Xehanort clear and that could lead to something in KH3.[imagine if this rebirth theory about the foretellers is right, what if Unicornis was the traitor among the foretellers and he worked together with the sixth one. Riku would then be the reincarnation of Unicornis, but that's just a theory without any clear evidence.]

 

I agree with this heavily too & went on a little tangent about it in one of my previous posts. Also I LOOOOVE the reincarnation theory so much. I think KH Unchained X will probably drop some more hints about KH3 so we should probably find out more soon. 

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

I like debating with you, your actually friendly and quite sincere unlike other people. I'll get back to you later, i need to take a break from the computer.

I know it's been a while now. Well, I just want to say now that I agree with you. What changed my mind was this cutscene:

 

 

After watching this I realised that Riku's hair was shorter and it wasn't supposed because Sora and Riku time travelled back to the events of KH1, when Destiny Islands was being destroyed. However, I remembered that Sora and Riku time travelled by migrating their hearts to their younger bodies. So most likely, Riku with his now cut hair, affected the appearance of his younger body. So yeah, after all of my arguing, I agree with you now.

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

I know it's been a while now. Well, I just want to say now that I agree with you. What changed my mind was this cutscene:

 

 

After watching this I realised that Riku's hair was shorter and it wasn't supposed because Sora and Riku time travelled back to the events of KH1, when Destiny Islands was being destroyed. However, I remembered that Sora and Riku time travelled by migrating their hearts to their younger bodies. So most likely, Riku with his now cut hair, affected the appearance of his younger body. So yeah, after all of my arguing, I agree with you now.

That debate>The Keyblade War

 I still stand by what I said. And thank you, I knew you'd come around eventually, Eraqus you sly fox

[soraspromise 380]

I know it's been a while now. Well, I just want to say now that I agree with you. What changed my mind was this cutscene:

 

 

After watching this I realised that Riku's hair was shorter and it wasn't supposed because Sora and Riku time travelled back to the events of KH1, when Destiny Islands was being destroyed. However, I remembered that Sora and Riku time travelled by migrating their hearts to their younger bodies. So most likely, Riku with his now cut hair, affected the appearance of his younger body. So yeah, after all of my arguing, I agree with you now.

 

I actually didn't even think about that cutscene but that does add in nicely to the whole thing~