KHUX Uniphication and Soraalam1 made a theory! I think we figured out the mysteries behind KHX!

[Kingdomhe 1,362]

 

i love this theory, but wouldn't that make us young xehanort playing X....O.O mind blown that would be a epic plot twist

Edited August 16, 2015 by Keyblade master26

[Uniphication 38]

Tell me what you guys think! 

Edited August 16, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[Kingdomhe 1,362]

awesome   :cool:

Edited August 16, 2015 by Keyblade master26

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

   Oh...My....Gosh.....

 

Great theory! The mind blowing got me speechless!

[AlixtheMagi13 245]

Your theory was awesome! It was mind blowing realizing how much it probably connects to Re:Coded. 

(Also,am I the only one who realized that Chirithy had a pink wayfinder on the front?)

[awesomeinmyworld 268]

Honestly, I was EXTREMELY skeptical until the end. But I will admit this is a really good theory. It makes sense and the connections aren't completely far fetched. I applaud this theory.

[Soraalam1 36]

Oh hey look what's on KH13. 

 

Uniphication beat me here . Yeah I am very interested in seeing everyone's thoughts.

Edited August 16, 2015 by Soraalam1

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

 

O_O

[2 quid is good 2,209]

This is actually a very plausible theory! I really hope it turns out to be true

[Kingdomhe 1,362]

lol my words where changed

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

Wait a minute... I just had a thought right now.... And last night/midnight, I had this thought as well. 

 

First, today's thought. 

If all of what's going on in the Tome of Prophecy: Like the Disney worlds, the Disney Characters, (You--"us") the Player, Those Emblem Heartless, Ephemera, The Foretellers, everyone in that game. Everybody interacting in X and Unchained X, are just illusions (fakes).  

Could this kinda sort of be like a simulation of the Kingdom Hearts 1 plot or a simulation of something bigger, that is impossible to appear in the real world (hence, the world that Sora and Co. exist in.)? 

I had to look at that the WHOLE 2nd Anniversary Donald and Goofy cutscene, to know what's going on.  Goofy made mentioned about the letter (the King's matter about the "Key"). Could they be searching a Keyblade Wielder that is like Sora? 

 

Yesterday's (night/midnight) thought

Of all what was mentioned in this video, do you think (perhaps), Xehanort (if that's really him behind this mess) could recruit either (You--"us") the Player, or (I don't know Ephemera), somebody from X Unchained X, as the 13th dark vessel? Of what Maleficent said about "conjuring" stuff. (I just kinda got the idea from that...) Or heck, that "one Keyblade Wielder" that was lost to darkness (according to the Chirithy that faded away). 

 

 

These are just thoughts of mine. Both of them might be wrong.

Edited August 16, 2015 by RikuFangirl2008

[Mysterious Figure 353]

That would be a pretty good explanation as to how Xehanort can get the foretellers or 'lost masters' to become one of the 13

This is a pretty awesome theory, I can definitely see it being true

[Veemon 1,540]

That's a really awesome theory!

 

 

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"Told ya Re:coded was important."

[Jake 1,488]

This theory is pretty interesting... We've decided to share your guy's video on @KH13community and our official Tumblr page!

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

That was really fascinating! What I have a rough time is Xehanort going in and speaking to the five. The thing is since the foretellers were the apprentices, WHAT HAPPENED TO NUMBER SIX? Also, remember what Young Xehanort said in the HD 2.5 Remix secret episode (the one after Re:coded's)? He said the keyblade Master Xehanort wields is the most ancient. It's a will passed down. I do believe that Daybreak Town is the Realm of Light and the all other worlds are the Book of Prophecies, but the black coat person could not be YX. That meeting was in the town in the Realm of Light, not the book. There, I am conflicted with the theory. The rest, I accept completely.

[VexenReplica 154]

This topic and the idea that the worlds were part of the datascape were discussed at-length when the scene was first introduced into the story, both over here and on KHI. While not necessarily a new concept, it does seem like a sound idea, and the perfect victim for framing the evil intentions does seem to lie in Young Master Xehanort, with the whole "will that passes on" motif going on in the exclusive cutscene in 2.5. 

 

However, I doubt that it is Master Xehanort pulling the strings. As a player myself, there is one screen that is most often overlooked by players trying to play the game - the world select screen. When changing worlds, in the background is the tome itself, and whenever you change the world, the tome flips to another page. In a sense, you as the player have the final tome - you are the final foreteller.

But that begs the question of who is playing as Ephemera, does it not? Is it someone from a rival faction? Could it even be a player who betrayed his or her union and is a double-agent for another union? Heck, could it be Young Master Xehanort trying to stir up dissention between the unions, trying to break them apart so that way the Foretellers can easily be nabbed as members of the Thirteen Darknesses?

 

Another point I wanted to bring up also comes from the anniversary event they bring up, although what I will be referring to is the First Anniversary event that happened a bit more than a year ago. In that, there were two interesting scenes, both involving The King. The first one I would like to bring up is an interaction with The King and one of the Foretellers, for a brief moment. Mickey says something along the lines of "What are you?" which indicates that Mickey hasn't yet - as of when he came into Chi's world - felt the presence of one of the foretellers. However, when all of the Xehanort Vessels were gathered together in KH 3D (when Young Xehanort tried to make Sora a vessel), Mickey didn't comment on it at the time, or even afterwards. Since their identites still remain unknown, it is indeed possible that none of the Foretellers could be vessels. 

 

The second scene I wanted to bring up was after King Mickey left the world, but Chirithy was watching him. Chirithy said something akin to "Oh, so that's the King..." which implies that Chirithy (or maybe multiple?) have gone outside of the pages of the tome. However, the only machine (as known thus far) that has been able to digitize data was King Mickey's machine, and its only known hackers were Pete and Maleficent. Either option a) Chi's storyline happens after Re:coded's storyline or b) someone else has a machine that can do the same thing or c) a combination of (a) and (b) or d) the characters in Chi (or perhaps only the Chirithies) have the ability to leave the storybook (which has been hinted at in the first scene between Ephemera and the player) and materialize in the real world. Given what Pete and Maleficent went through in Re:Coded, it is likely that they have technology akin to that after the fact. (d) is plausible; however, only time will tell if this is indeed possible. 

 

Or, I could be completely wrong and this could take a Corrector Yui spin, where the Chirithies were implanted in the tomes' data/writings by an outside source to protect it from (for lack of a better word) "bugs." Who knows though?

 

One last thing I would like to bring up. In both 3D and Re:Coded, the worlds were altercations of their original world. That is, in both the data worlds and the sleeping worlds, they follow a different timeline, a different story, so it makes sense why Hercules is grown-up. Instead of starting at the beginning of Hercules's story, the Foretellers (game writers) decided to get to the action-packed center of it. Skip the boring (although sometimes needed) exposition and just go straight to the most climactic parts (the top of the bell curve, for the literature savvy among you). The tomes speak of different times, different stories. Their stories, their bosses, and their endings are different than the ones presented in the main games. 

 

That's the end of my thoughts, sorry for the wordy post!

[Jake 1,488]

This topic and the idea that the worlds were part of the datascape were discussed at-length when the scene was first introduced into the story, both over here and on KHI. While not necessarily a new concept, it does seem like a sound idea, and the perfect victim for framing the evil intentions does seem to lie in Young Master Xehanort, with the whole "will that passes on" motif going on in the exclusive cutscene in 2.5. 

 

However, I doubt that it is Master Xehanort pulling the strings. As a player myself, there is one screen that is most often overlooked by players trying to play the game - the world select screen. When changing worlds, in the background is the tome itself, and whenever you change the world, the tome flips to another page. In a sense, you as the player have the final tome - you are the final foreteller.

But that begs the question of who is playing as Ephemera, does it not? Is it someone from a rival faction? Could it even be a player who betrayed his or her union and is a double-agent for another union? Heck, could it be Young Master Xehanort trying to stir up dissention between the unions, trying to break them apart so that way the Foretellers can easily be nabbed as members of the Thirteen Darknesses?

 

Another point I wanted to bring up also comes from the anniversary event they bring up, although what I will be referring to is the First Anniversary event that happened a bit more than a year ago. In that, there were two interesting scenes, both involving The King. The first one I would like to bring up is an interaction with The King and one of the Foretellers, for a brief moment. Mickey says something along the lines of "What are you?" which indicates that Mickey hasn't yet - as of when he came into Chi's world - felt the presence of one of the foretellers. However, when all of the Xehanort Vessels were gathered together in KH 3D (when Young Xehanort tried to make Sora a vessel), Mickey didn't comment on it at the time, or even afterwards. Since their identites still remain unknown, it is indeed possible that none of the Foretellers could be vessels. 

 

The second scene I wanted to bring up was after King Mickey left the world, but Chirithy was watching him. Chirithy said something akin to "Oh, so that's the King..." which implies that Chirithy (or maybe multiple?) have gone outside of the pages of the tome. However, the only machine (as known thus far) that has been able to digitize data was King Mickey's machine, and its only known hackers were Pete and Maleficent. Either option a) Chi's storyline happens after Re:coded's storyline or b) someone else has a machine that can do the same thing or c) a combination of (a) and (b) or d) the characters in Chi (or perhaps only the Chirithies) have the ability to leave the storybook (which has been hinted at in the first scene between Ephemera and the player) and materialize in the real world. Given what Pete and Maleficent went through in Re:Coded, it is likely that they have technology akin to that after the fact. (d) is plausible; however, only time will tell if this is indeed possible. 

 

Or, I could be completely wrong and this could take a Corrector Yui spin, where the Chirithies were implanted in the tomes' data/writings by an outside source to protect it from (for lack of a better word) "bugs." Who knows though?

 

One last thing I would like to bring up. In both 3D and Re:Coded, the worlds were altercations of their original world. That is, in both the data worlds and the sleeping worlds, they follow a different timeline, a different story, so it makes sense why Hercules is grown-up. Instead of starting at the beginning of Hercules's story, the Foretellers (game writers) decided to get to the action-packed center of it. Skip the boring (although sometimes needed) exposition and just go straight to the most climactic parts (the top of the bell curve, for the literature savvy among you). The tomes speak of different times, different stories. Their stories, their bosses, and their endings are different than the ones presented in the main games. 

 

That's the end of my thoughts, sorry for the wordy post!

The story would technically have to start before Re:Coded because when you look through the video, it states that Donald and Goofy were looking for the 'key' still as per Mickey's letter in KH1. It doesn't make sense though, since we saw them go to traverse town immediately after the letter was found and read. The only conclusion I can come up with as to regards why Donald and Goofy are there is the person controlling the outside source of the book of prophecies would have put them in there at some point as a fake or something. I haven't played the game in some time due to lack of cards (and I really don't know how to fix that right now with stuff happening in my life) so I forgot some stuff, but I got my general knowledge still. 

 

Another thing I don't get is how can it be Master Xehanort? Nomura & co. stated that the story of Unchained χ is before Xehanort or the Keyblade War even began. Unless the story of Unchained applies inside the book of prophecies and not from the outside world of the book itself. If it doesn't apply to the world outside the book of prophecies, then that makes more sense. If what I said does apply, then there is a possibility this happens after Re:Coded or somewhat possibly after KH3D. Dream Spirits (or whatever they are called) don't exist except in dream worlds. Speaking of Dream Spirits, is there a possibility then that the book of prophecies is a dream world? It confuses me for now, and there is loop holes still. I'm just not sure on all of this yet..

[VexenReplica 154]

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The story would technically have to start before Re:Coded because when you look through the video, it states that Donald and Goofy were looking for the 'key' still as per Mickey's letter in KH1. It doesn't make sense though, since we saw them go to traverse town immediately after the letter was found and read. The only conclusion I can come up with as to regards why Donald and Goofy are there is the person controlling the outside source of the book of prophecies would have put them in there at some point as a fake or something. I haven't played the game in some time due to lack of cards (and I really don't know how to fix that right now with stuff happening in my life) so I forgot some stuff, but I got my general knowledge still. 

 

The tome of Prophecies was written hundreds (or thousands?) of years before the main storyline of KH. The Foretellers, using the power of the cards, gained the power of the future, but didn't know the specifics. Thus, as good writers, crafted a story (the Tome of Prophecies) based on what they knew. Daybreak Town, for all we know, is their creation. It tells the future, but perhaps not the exact future (down to the minute details) - and that world is the one that Sora & company live in. The story they made for events like these acts, at least in my opinion, akin to a fanfiction - the writer wants to write something that may not come true but wants to see it achieved. So they wrote it down, and it became known as the Tome of Prophecies.

 

Another thing I don't get is how can it be Master Xehanort? Nomura & co. stated that the story of Unchained χ is before Xehanort or the Keyblade War even began. Unless the story of Unchained applies inside the book of prophecies and not from the outside world of the book itself. If it doesn't apply to the world outside the book of prophecies, then that makes more sense. If what I said does apply, then there is a possibility this happens after Re:Coded or somewhat possibly after KH3D. Dream Spirits (or whatever they are called) don't exist except in dream worlds. Speaking of Dream Spirits, is there a possibility then that the book of prophecies is a dream world? It confuses me for now, and there is loop holes still. I'm just not sure on all of this yet..

 

You hit the nail on the head.

 

Also, between Chirithy being a dream eater and the meow-wow balloon floating around Daybreak Town during both of the Anniversary Events (both this year's and last year's), it is nearly guaranteed that Daybreak Town (and probably all of the other worlds inside the Tome) are sleeping worlds.

[Jake 1,488]

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Yeah I see where the main story comes from. I remember it was confirmed the other worlds besides Daybreak Town was considered illusions and all the light collected from other worlds (LUX) go to Daybreak Town (thus from Ephemera). If all the worlds in the book are dream worlds, isn't there a possibility time travel could be used? I'm not sure how that works, but there's a chance. I'm hoping to get back into the story ingame with x[Chi] and Unchained soon so I can get a definitive viewpoint of how everything seems to go again.

[Guest]

1) Another thing I don't get is how can it be Master Xehanort? Nomura & co. stated that the story of Unchained χ is before Xehanort or the Keyblade War even began. Unless the story of Unchained applies inside the book of prophecies and not from the outside world of the book itself. If it doesn't apply to the world outside the book of prophecies

 

2) Speaking of Dream Spirits, is there a possibility then that the book of prophecies is a dream world? It confuses me for now, and there is loop holes still. I'm just not sure on all of this yet..

 

If we go by the data simulation theory: both of these questions can be easily answered.

 

1) Data simulations in the Kingdom Hearts Universe is a retelling of recorded events. They can be tinkered with and changed, however, this would not affect the real Kingdom Hearts Universe as these data retellings are not actual worlds with hearts of their own, rather, it is a holographic projection of accomplished events which are visualised and personified on point. In Re:Coded, it was a data simulated retelling of Kingdom Hearts 1 and Chain Of Memories that was tinkered with by the journal (Data Riku), Data Roxas, Sora's Heartless and Maleficent. Xehanort can do the same tinkering with the Book Of Prophecies simulation.

 

However, from this theory, what's interesting to note is that Xehanort brung the data simulations into the real world. In Re:Coded, Data simulation could only bring real life beings into the datascape and not the other way around. To add to this, data simulations of beings can be easily manipulated as evident by Data Riku being puppeteer-ed by Pete to battle against his own will. However, it seems as though the simulated Foretellers were convince to join him as opposed to being forced.

 

2) As a data simulated worlds, variables can be added and taken away. One of two things may have happened, either the Emblem heartless are really Dream Eaters in disguise, or, Xehanort tinkered with the Book Of Prophecies simulations in order to further understand Emblem Heartless and Dream Eaters.

[CriticalAssension 161]

If the book of prophecies contains everything from past, present and future and if Xehanort has it well wouldn't that mean that he could go back in time and obtain the  X-Blade from Vanitas? Or use this as a way to bring past versions of himself to the future without limitations? If he could then that would mean he would have only been able to obtain it after KH3D but the theory states that he found the book of prophecies when he was younger.

 

If this is true, that means there's a slight error in your theory, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited September 14, 2015 by RealMenSmellStrongCheese