Are Sora's Abilities in Re:CoM the Card's Power?

[Pokemoncuzzie 271]

where does Sora learn Ripple Drive, or Stun Break? KH is a world where abilities occur naturally

when they "learn" abilities they do so by having a physical object thrown at them, or by opening a treasure chest

He and Minnie use Faith together, yeah

 

and that's the thing, KH2 just wanted to have upgradable magic, rather than specific commands

 

All of Riku's abilities are natural, he uses Soul Eater to use abilities he used in KH1 boss fights

 

(As for the Twilight Town thing, that's not a card based off Sora's memories. It's just a card used to form a world. All the abilities Sora uses in combat are abilities he used in KH1, besides non-canon post game stuff)

Hmm and it honestly just seems to come back to the gameplay. Nomura treats every non-numbered game as a spin-off title and that's why he gives them different gameplay mechanics. That's just the direction he took with and trying to explain it might be a little messy and forced because there isn't really any logical reasoning. Their just not numbered titles so he experimented a bit.That being said it's still fun to speculate and make theories about this stuff.But I am pretty sure that the cards to the different worlds are formed from Sora's memories of those worlds. I mean that's why he ends up visiting them in the first place right? Like if the BBS trio were to hypothetically go to Castle Oblivion then they would see the worlds that they visited such as Enchanted Dominion and stuff.Edit: Sora loses all of his abilities when he enters the castle (assuming the same thing that happened to Donald not being able to use Thunder, also happened to Sora). He is only then able to use abilities (or just attack) only using the cards. No cards = no attacking.  

Edited August 3, 2015 by Pokemoncuzzie

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I disagree. I believe it is data Sora's own experience/other forces that allowed him to do what he did.

 

You seem to be misinterpreting something here. Any keyblade wielder, with the right influence, has the potential to learn combo skills. However, Sora, the real one, didn't until 3D. Data Sora's experiences on his bug adventure are vastely different than Sora's, thus his abilities are his and his alone.

 

By the way, remember how Data sora is upgraded? That's right, by a circuit board. You are editing his data. He isn't what the data says, and neither is his abilities. He is constantly modified throughout the game.

No you're misunderstanding in the data does not obey the same rules as the real world. They are confined by the rules written within their code. The only outside influence that could occur is if someone manipulated the data. Also one could argue that Data Sora's upgrades are repairs to already existing data that was damaged by the bugs. 

 

 

I'm just gonna leave this here:

 

Where did you get the idea of making it a sort of card game?

Nomura: This is talking about KHII more but, if you were to begin the game with the very powerful Sora you had acquired at the end of KH, KHII wouldn’t stand up to much as a game. I wanted the players to know the potential in strength Sora has more or less fulfilled at the end of the previous instalment yet not be able to use all those abilities right from the start. That is when I thought that if I could make a story in which Sora’s abilities and memories all get mixed up, KH: CoM would be a perfect bridge between KH and KHII. I thought that to symbolize those messed memories and abilities cards could be used so I had to create a card based system. Thats the jist of it, I think.

 

Even Nomura confirms that Sora reached a vast potential as far as his abilities are concerned. He explains pretty clearly that by the end of KHI Sora has the capacity to use moves displayed in CoM and by extension ReCoded he just isn't given those abilities right off the bat. In CoM it's because of the mechanics of Castle Oblivion and in ReCoded it's because of the corruption of the Bugs.

Edited August 3, 2015 by RobbyRobRob the Wise

[Ninkoro 123]

No you're misunderstanding in the data does not obey the same rules as the real world. They are confined by the rules written within their code. The only outside influence that could occur is if someone manipulated the data. Also one could argue that Data Sora's upgrades are repairs to already existing data that was damaged by the bugs. Even Nomura confirms that Sora reached a vast potential as far as his abilities are concerned. He explains pretty clearly that by the end of KHI Sora has the capacity to use moves displayed in CoM and by extension ReCoded he just isn't given those abilities right off the bat. In CoM it's because of the mechanics of Castle Oblivion and in ReCoded it's because of the corruption of the Bugs.

Look, in the end this is all opinions. If we disagree then that's just that; we disagree. You're rebuttle to my recoded argument is purely your opinion, and im not going to argue it since it would just involve repeating my stance once again.And you are also completely interpreting nomura's words in your own opinion as well. I don't agree with how you translate it, and that's that.I've clearly explained my stance, and since i've also proven its validicy, i really have no further use rebutting every different interpretation a person can think of.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Look, in the end this is all opinions. If we disagree then that's just that; we disagree. You're rebuttle to my recoded argument is purely your opinion, and im not going to argue it since it would just involve repeating my stance once again.And you are also completely interpreting nomura's words in your own opinion as well. I don't agree with how you translate it, and that's that.I've clearly explained my stance, and since i've also proven its validicy, i really have no further use rebutting every different interpretation a person can think of.

You're saying it's opinion and yet you're acting like your opinion is fact. There is no other interpretation in this Nomura clearly states that he used CoM to show the capacity of Sora's capabilities after KH1 without outright giving him those abilities right at the beginning of the game. I've seen you in other threads and you have a tendency to ignore your interviews to fit your own head cannon. This isn't my opinion it's Nomura words the and a pretty straight forward answer tbh.

[Ninkoro 123]

You're saying it's opinion and yet you're acting like your opinion is fact. There is no other interpretation in this Nomura clearly states that he used CoM to show the capacity of Sora's capabilities after KH1 without outright giving him those abilities right at the beginning of the game. I've seen you in other threads and you have a tendency to ignore your interviews to fit your own head cannon. This isn't my opinion it's Nomura words the and a pretty straight forward answer tbh.

Lol don't go assuming shit, I'm defending my opinion because that's the nature of this topic; to state your opinions.

 

No, there is another interpretation. He didn't want players using Ars arcanum and Thundaga right away, because that's what Sora was capable of. 

Did you play KH1? Haven't I stated before anyone with the right guidance anyone is capable of anything? Yeah, I have. The cards gave him the knowledge or power to do so.

 

Nomura isn't disproving my theory. And for shit's sake, stalking me? One time I didn't like how Nomura explained Roxas. Big whoop. Quit throwing unrelated personal attacks simply because you don't agree with something, which this time isn't disproved by Nomura.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Ninkoro

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Lol don't go assuming shit, I'm defending my opinion because that's the nature of this topic; to state your opinions. No, there is another interpretation. He didn't want players using Ars arcanum and Thundaga right away, because that's what Sora was capable of. Did you play KH1? Haven't I stated before anyone with the right guidance anyone is capable of anything? Yeah, I have. The cards gave him the knowledge or power to do so. Nomura isn't disproving my theory. And for shit's sake, stalking me? One time I didn't like how Nomura explained Roxas. Big whoop. Quit throwing unrelated personal attacks simply because you don't agree with something, which this time isn't disproved by Nomura.

Hatok asked for answer to his question. There is a canon answer to his question which was provided but you don't like that answer so here we are two pages later. I'm not trying to personally attack you but you're repeating the same behavior. Also you're are further proving point he didn't want Sora using more powerful abilities so he used the mechanics of Castle Oblivion to explain why Sora could not use those abilities even though he was more then capable of using them.

[Ninkoro 123]

Hatok asked for answer to his question. There is a canon answer to his question which was provided but you don't like that answer so here we are two pages later. I'm not trying to personally attack you but you're repeating the same behavior. Also you're are further proving point he didn't want Sora using more powerful abilities so he used the mechanics of Castle Oblivion to explain why Sora could not use those abilities even though he was more then capable of using them.

 

I do like the interview. I literally *liked* it. This isn't a "here we are two pages later because you're stubborn", I'm not being stubborn. I believe that young Sora could definitely use COM skills, but I believe he didn't know how. My first post explains my opinion on how a master's teachings effectivley guide the student, and how it is reflected in gameplay.

 

Nomura had the key word of potential. That's the key word.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I do like the interview. I literally *liked* it. This isn't a "here we are two pages later because you're stubborn", I'm not being stubborn. I believe that young Sora could definitely use COM skills, but I believe he didn't know how. My first post explains my opinion on how a master's teachings effectivley guide the student, and how it is reflected in gameplay. Nomura had the key word of potential. That's the key word.

But Nomura also said Sora had fulfilled that potential.

[Ninkoro 123]

But Nomura also said Sora had fulfilled that potential.

"More or less"

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

"More or less"

It's still the same thing that it's still within Sora's capabilities.