Between Chain of Memories and 358days/2days

[SorRik 186]

I have been getting confused at this particular time line of the story.

We all know that Roxas was born when Sora released Kairi's heart from inside him using the keyblade of unlocking hearts.

That's how Roxas was born right? This is what bugs me, where did Roxas go after being born?

In the timeline in the first game in KH 1 the events were still happening they defeated Ansem seeker of Darkness and closed the door. Does that mean Roxas was already directed to Twilight town and somehow Xemnas found him?

And then the start of Chain Of memories are now at that point in the game where the organization members are doing their missions in Castle Oblivion and at the same time Roxas is working with them? Im getting confused.... :?

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

From what I understand, Roxas just kind of came into being in Twilight Town when Sora lost his heart, due to TT being one of the places where the realm of light and realm of dark are really close together (like twilight, get it?!?) 

 

The really confusing part is the timescale; the games never really give a good explanation for how long certain things take. I'm pretty sure Xemnas found Roxas more or less immediately given when things take place; it took something like a week total for Sora and Co. to return to Hollow Bastion, seal the final Keyhole, and move on to End Of The World (and also fight Xemnas, after which he goes and talks to Roxas about it on the dark beach). At some point after Sora beat Ansem SoD and ended up in the as-of-yet-unidentified grassy plains (Land of Departure, apparently, which I have no firetrucking clue how that worked out), Xemnas dispatched the Castle Oblivion team to a) try to control Sora and b) root out the traitors, which was all after Xemnas brought Roxas into Org. 13, of course.

 

Long story short, Roxas is "born" in Twilight Town and Xemnas just sorta knew that.

Edited July 22, 2015 by HeyMouseSayCheese

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

Roxas was born, then found by Xemnas, got taken to TWTNW, then 358/2 begins. While no specific timeframe has been made, I can assume that the last bits of KH1, then all of CoM happened.

Edited July 22, 2015 by KeybladeLordSora

[catmaster0116 2,676]

Kingdom hearts defies all sciences of physics; and medical basis for injury/recovery and reproduction (but then again so do heaps of other games lol)

 

With that said Roxas was 'born' (came into 'non'-existence) the moment Sora stabbed himself with that evil Keyblade from KH1 - his body materialised and was given form right outside the gates of the old mansion. There Xemnas pinpointed his location and gave him a name and place within the organisation.

 

Ergo; when Sora was fighting Ansem the seeker of Darkness at the end of KH1 - Roxas would have existed by then and in the shadows carry out his missions and daily conduct.

The reason why we didn't hear about Roxas in KH1 was because nobodies 'weren't supposed to exist'....until CoM and KH2

Edited July 22, 2015 by catmaster0116

[SorRik 186]

From what I understand, Roxas just kind of came into being in Twilight Town when Sora lost his heart, due to TT being one of the places where the realm of light and realm of dark are really close together (like twilight, get it?!?)  The really confusing part is the timescale; the games never really give a good explanation for how long certain things take. I'm pretty sure Xemnas found Roxas more or less immediately given when things take place; it took something like a week total for Sora and Co. to return to Hollow Bastion, seal the final Keyhole, and move on to End Of The World (and also fight Xemnas, after which he goes and talks to Roxas about it on the dark beach). At some point after Sora beat Ansem SoD and ended up in the as-of-yet-unidentified grassy plains (Land of Departure, apparently, which I have no firetrucking clue how that worked out), Xemnas dispatched the Castle Oblivion team to a) try to control Sora and b) root out the traitors, which was all after Xemnas brought Roxas into Org. 13, of course. Long story short, Roxas is "born" in Twilight Town and Xemnas just sorta knew that.

Make sense, wait a dark beach? So that was Xemnas and Roxas talking

Roxas was born, then found by Xemnas, got taken to TWTNW, then 358/2 begins. While no specific timeframe has been made, I can assume that the last bits of KH1, then all of CoM happened.

Ah I see I was thinking that these both games were happening at the same time... But I think 358 days was first before Chain Of memories

[Felixx 6,646]

Make sense, wait a dark beach? So that was Xemnas and Roxas talking :OAh I see I was thinking that these both games were happening at the same time... But I think 358 days was first before Chain Of memories

 

Yeah that was Xemnas and Roxas, right after Xemnas was in Hollow Bastion, fighting against Sora.

Chain of Memories takes place in the time frame of 358/2 days: it starts later but ends earlier.

[awesomeinmyworld 268]

Like Mouse said, Roxas was born in Twilight Town and found by Xemnas there- this is also confirmed in Secret Ansem Report  in KH2: "Here, Twilight Town, was where Roxas was reborn as a Nobody. This is where Roxas first encountered Organization XIII and joined its ranks." I'm assuming Xemnas encountered Roxas right away because OrgXIII was probably watching what Sora was doing. After all, Sora DID interfere with one of Master Xehanort's backup plans: gathering 7 pure lights, he was making a name for himself at that point. So when Sora became a Heartless, and with OrgXIII one member away from the magic number, Xemnas was probably watching and headed to Twilight Town immediately to bring Roxas into the ranks. 6 days after Roxas joins, Xemnas goes to fight Sora in Hollow Bastion and meets Roxas in the dark margin-where he tells Roxas his "true name". Roxas' 24th day: Sora enters Castle Oblivion, as indicated by Zexion's secret report, so meaning day 23 was when Ansem was defeated. Meaning the time between Sora becoming a Heartless and the end of KH1 was 23 days. And CoM starts then. On morning of day 26, news comes in of Vexen's demise-so that means Axel killed Vexen on day 25. Also in day 26, Roxas goes unconscious- that's, I'd say, 2 days before Sora went to sleep, as Marluxia wrote a secret report on day 27. So COM for Sora's story started on day 24 and ended on day 28: 4 days. Don't know when Riku left C.O., maybe a day after that. The rest is all Days.

Edited July 22, 2015 by awesomeinmyworld

[catmaster0116 2,676]

I attached a diagram for you Sorrik

[Felixx 6,646]

I attached a diagram for you Sorrik

 

That's perfect!

[hatok 6,413]

From what I understand, Roxas just kind of came into being in Twilight Town when Sora lost his heart, due to TT being one of the places where the realm of light and realm of dark are really close together (like twilight, get it?!?) 

 

The really confusing part is the timescale; the games never really give a good explanation for how long certain things take. I'm pretty sure Xemnas found Roxas more or less immediately given when things take place; it took something like a week total for Sora and Co. to return to Hollow Bastion, seal the final Keyhole, and move on to End Of The World (and also fight Xemnas, after which he goes and talks to Roxas about it on the dark beach). At some point after Sora beat Ansem SoD and ended up in the as-of-yet-unidentified grassy plains (Land of Departure, apparently, which I have no firetrucking clue how that worked out), Xemnas dispatched the Castle Oblivion team to a) try to control Sora and b) root out the traitors, which was all after Xemnas brought Roxas into Org. 13, of course.

 

Long story short, Roxas is "born" in Twilight Town and Xemnas just sorta knew that.

It seems a mechanic of the KH universe is that people naturally gravitate towards "neutral worlds"

That's why Roxas forms in Twilight Town, it's a between world, like The Land of Departure, The World That Never Was, and Traverse Town

Why exactly people gravitate towards these places, I couldn't tell you, I'd imagine it's something to do with the "special properties" Eraqus mentions. The easiest guess is that those worlds are just safer for people undergoing trauma

 

That's perfect!

I attached a diagram for you Sorrik

Only issue with this diagram is it greatly distorts the length of CoM, which was only about twenty days

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

I always took it as Sora sacrifices himself, and at the same time (The cutscene where the hearts all return to the princesses) the cutscene in DAYS when Xemnas finds Roxas is going on. This might be a little sketchy, and also heavily relies on the end of KH 1 being a single day, but when Axel takes Roxas to the clock tower for ice cream (In both the game and the manga of KH II) that's possibly when Sora is loosing Kairi, and ending up on the forked path in CoM. From then on, it would lead into CoM, with the Org. 13 memebers being shipped out. 

The problem is the timelines of the games are fragmented at best: You can ASSUME Roxas was born the exact second Sora used the Keybalde on himself, but where did he go? How long was he simply standing in front of that gate before being found? It's easy to assume it could've been 2 to 3 days before Roxas was put to work, being in a "total zombie" state at the time, but still, it doesn't match fully. Roxas seems to know his way around in DAYS, and more or less who people are in the Org, so it could be a few days, or even a week later. 

That's just my take on it. 

And while you're at it, why Twilight Town? Traverse Town is spoken of as being a "haven for those who's worlds have fallen to Darkness" many times, but TT doesn't crop up until KH II. It's obviously a real place, but where it is and why is the question. 

Edited July 22, 2015 by Jack Vladimir Frost

[catmaster0116 2,676]

Only issue with this diagram is it greatly distorts the length of CoM, which was only about twenty days

 

Sorry for not drawing it to scale, I did the diagram hastily in 5 mins pulling random facts

Therefore its not going to be accurate. However you are certainly more than welcome to do a more accurate one

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

 Only issue with this diagram is it greatly distorts the length of CoM, which was only about twenty days

Sora was in CO for 20 days? O_O

[catmaster0116 2,676]

Sora was in CO for 20 days? O_O

 

Yep; roughly 20 days if you count the days from KHdays

 

But I was editting on MS Paint and I wanted to be able to fit text on the bars so I exaggerated the timelength for CoM. In fact; Sora sleeps longer than he is awake in Castle Oblivion.

 

What I want to know though is how did an old man and a young girl move 3 pods from a huge castle into a mansion without looking suspicious.

Recall that Sora falls asleep in Castle Oblivion but wakes in Twilight Town.

Edited July 22, 2015 by catmaster0116

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

It seems a mechanic of the KH universe is that people naturally gravitate towards "neutral worlds"

That's why Roxas forms in Twilight Town, it's a between world, like The Land of Departure, The World That Never Was, and Traverse Town

Why exactly people gravitate towards these places, I couldn't tell you, I'd imagine it's something to do with the "special properties" Eraqus mentions. The easiest guess is that those worlds are just safer for people undergoing trauma

 

Only issue with this diagram is it greatly distorts the length of CoM, which was only about twenty days

 

That does make a lot more sense as to how Sora and Co. ended up there, if they were sort of lost after End Of The World was destroyed. I kinda like that there are those neutral worlds where people tend to end up, I just wish it were stated more explicitly.

 

Also, one of the less obvious things I hate about Days is how it applies a really strict timeline to everything. Playing through CoM, and seeing as how Sora enters just after dusk and Riku leaves just as dawn is breaking, I always got the impression that the whole thing took place over one night. At most, I could accept maybe a few days total for the whole game to take place. But twenty firetrucking days??? There's no goddamn way all of that happened over three weeks.

Edited July 22, 2015 by HeyMouseSayCheese

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

Yep; roughly 20 days if you count the days from KHdays

 

But I was editting on MS Paint and I wanted to be able to fit text on the bars so I exaggerated the timelength for CoM. In fact; Sora sleeps longer than he is awake in Castle Oblivion.

holy crap, I thought CoM was one full day.  

I learned something tonight, then...

Wait, so the Org. memembers just hung around for 20 days while Sora fricked around in his memories? 

[Felixx 6,646]

It seems a mechanic of the KH universe is that people naturally gravitate towards "neutral worlds"That's why Roxas forms in Twilight Town, it's a between world, like The Land of Departure, The World That Never Was, and Traverse TownWhy exactly people gravitate towards these places, I couldn't tell you, I'd imagine it's something to do with the "special properties" Eraqus mentions. The easiest guess is that those worlds are just safer for people undergoing traumaOnly issue with this diagram is it greatly distorts the length of CoM, which was only about twenty days

20 days? I thought that were only a few days.But I see what you mean, in comparison to the other games Com is merely short actually, but this diagramm shows you where you have to place it so I gues for that purpose it's good enough.EDIT: ok, 20 days, who would've thought Edited July 22, 2015 by Felixx

[SorRik 186]

Kingdom hearts defies all sciences of physics; and medical basis for injury/recovery and reproduction (but then again so do heaps of other games lol) With that said Roxas was 'born' (came into 'non'-existence) the moment Sora stabbed himself with that evil Keyblade from KH1 - his body materialised and was given form right outside the gates of the old mansion. There Xemnas pinpointed his location and gave him a name and place within the organisation. Ergo; when Sora was fighting Ansem the seeker of Darkness at the end of KH1 - Roxas would have existed by then and in the shadows carry out his missions and daily conduct.The reason why we didn't hear about Roxas in KH1 was because nobodies 'weren't supposed to exist'....until CoM and KH2

I attached a diagram for you Sorrik

Wow this diagram shows it all makes sense so 358 days was longer that chain of memories Thanks Catmaster

[catmaster0116 2,676]

holy crap, I thought CoM was one full day.

I learned something tonight, then...

Wait, so the Org. memembers just hung around for 20 days while Sora fricked around in his memories? 

 

Yep; the Goal of castle oblivion was for him to have his memories messed with and become Xemnas's puppet.

If you think about it; Organisation XIII are so sly - they have many plans to get the keyblade (Ironically they all fail)

 

Plan A: Use Roxas

Plan B: Turn Sora into their puppet

Plan C: Use Xion and have her absorb Roxas and Sora

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

Yep; the Goal of castle oblivion was for him to have his memories messed with and become Xemnas's puppet.

If you think about it; Organisation XIII are so sly - they have many plans to get the keyblade (Ironically they all fail)

 

Plan A: Use Roxas

Plan B: Turn Sora into their puppet

Plan C: Use Xion and have her absorb Roxas and Sora

So no plan D, everyone goes bye bye.

Seems right. Org. 13 were both highly put together, and major idiots at the same time. 

[hatok 6,413]

That does make a lot more sense as to how Sora and Co. ended up there, if they were sort of lost after End Of The World was destroyed. I kinda like that there are those neutral worlds where people tend to end up, I just wish it were stated more explicitly.

 

Also, one of the less obvious things I hate about Days is how it applies a really strict timeline to everything. Playing through CoM, and seeing as how Sora enters just after dusk and Riku leaves just as dawn is breaking, I always got the impression that the whole thing took place over one night. At most, I could accept maybe a few days total for the whole game to take place. But twenty firetrucking days??? There's no goddamn way all of that happened over three weeks.

holy crap, I thought CoM was one full day.

I learned something tonight, then...

Wait, so the Org. memembers just hung around for 20 days while Sora fricked around in his memories? 

20 days? I thought that were only a few days.But I see what you mean, in comparison to the other games Com is merely short actually, but this diagramm shows you where you have to place it so I gues for that purpose it's good enough.EDIT: ok, 20 days, who would've thought

It's possible it DID take one day... in the Land of Departure

Since each world has a different flow of time, it's entirely possible that Days is using The World That Never Was time, and the Land of Departure moves significantly slower.

[catmaster0116 2,676]

So no plan D, everyone goes bye bye.

Seems right. Org. 13 were both highly put together, and major idiots at the same time. 

 

Master Xehanort has plans from A up to Z and perhaps more...

[hatok 6,413]

So no plan D, everyone goes bye bye.

Seems right. Org. 13 were both highly put together, and major idiots at the same time. 

The organization is a confusing mess when it comes to objectives, until you find out Xemnas was trying to screw them the whole time

[SorRik 186]

How was It 20 days? Hmm I wonder how did Sora sleep in Castle Oblivion while going after floor after floor to complete each room's card rooms?

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

Master Xehanort has plans from A up to Z and perhaps more...

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