X World Wouldn't Work in KH

[hatok 6,413]

This is an argument you'll see all the time in the KH fanbase, but now that KH3 is in full bloom it's really getting swept into a frenzy

so let me just say

Yes

Whatever world you're thinking of will work

 

The standards for a KH world aren't that high. The perceived rules and restrictions of a world don't exist.

 

"But they wouldn't be able to fit all the lore into a single world"

That's never stopped them before

"This movie's rules contradict KH's"

Disney movies aren't anime where you go around cutting buildings in half, yet they smudge them together anyways

"We can't have TWO jungle areas in the KH universe"

While it's definitely true that you can't have too similar of worlds in a single game, limiting it by very broad strokes will ultimately mean you can't have ANY worlds

"Darth Vader could just choke Sora"

Sephiroth could just stab him. He doesn't though, because it's a video game

"Frozen/Tangled/Whatever is overrated"

And? If anything that's a reason to include it, because it's popular enough for people to be mad that it's popular

"I don't like X franchise"

Luckily, the world doesn't revolve around you

 

I was going to end this by saying all a world needs to be viable is have a conflict, but then I realized even that's not necessary. They could still be a mini game world, music world, whatever

 

If they wanted, they could make a world out of Disney's old world war 2 propaganda and Sora Donald and Goofy could dress up as Nazis

 

[Deadpool 1,200]

Well said. Honestly getting annoyed by the constant screeching over not playing KH3 because Frozen or Marvel/Star Wars being in it. Hell I'd be totally okay with the latter two and love to see them, but I'm not clamoring for them. Already expect Frozen and personally I'd just love to see a Muppet mini game world that's maybe vaguely based on the 2011 Muppet movie with the whole "reviving" the Muppets with a big performance thing. Also World War 2 world idea sounds beautiful.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Deadpool

[Klonoa the Dream Traveler 678]

If they wanted, they could make a world out of Disney's old world war 2 propaganda and Sora Donald and Goofy could dress up as Nazis

That would actually made sense, since Disney creator hates jews.

[Jim 2,990]

They would dress up as Nazis? No, because the swastika has an "X" in it and then Xehanort would be able to find them. Nice try bro. 

[WakingDawn96 1,166]

So any franchise can be in KH? Okay, then I want my Sonic The Hedgehog World and my Super Smash Bros World in KH!!!!!! (Maybe you should really put some restrictions on this as I don't think a Disney game is going to use things that aren't Disney related!)

[hatok 6,413]

So any franchise can be in KH? Okay, then I want my Sonic The Hedgehog World and my Super Smash Bros World in KH!!!!!! (Maybe you should really put some restrictions on this as I don't think a Disney game is going to use things that aren't Disney related!)

being possible isn't the same as working. A Sonic world would work in KH just like any world

[WakingDawn96 1,166]

being possible isn't the same as working. A Sonic world would work in KH just like any world

I don't think Sonic would work out because it was a side scroller game, and I don't think Smash Bros would work because there isn't a main location in the game! But if they could somehow turn them into worlds, then I'd be on board with them!

[hatok 6,413]

I don't think Sonic would work out because it was a side scroller game, and I don't think Smash Bros would work because there isn't a main location in the game! But if they could somehow turn them into worlds, then I'd be on board with them!

not all Sonic games are side scrollers, not that it matters

and Smahs Bros has the Subspace Emissary to give it context

[WakingDawn96 1,166]

not all Sonic games are side scrollers, not that it mattersand Smahs Bros has the Subspace Emissary to give it context

No, I don't want sequels, I want the first main game, the old Sonic and the old Smash Bros. Tell me how those can be worlds and make sense!

[hatok 6,413]

No, I don't want sequels, I want the first main game, the old Sonic and the old Smash Bros. Tell me how those can be worlds and make sense!

Each area is a small version of the zones from Sonic 1, you meet Sonic, fight Eggman. Robot themed heartless, world boss is based on the final boss. Eggman can control heartless. Sonic and Sora's team up attack involves going fast adn probably wind or something

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

For a second, I thought you were talking about KH(Unchained)X, but now I get what you meant. While I'm not too sure about a WWII propaganda world (yeah, Nazis and genoside, along with overtly racist depictions of Germans and JAPANESE might not sit well with everybody, especially not with the JAPANESE gamers or developers), it would be interesting to see any Disney property be introduced to the series. It might also be nice to see some third party stuff too, but that's far less likely and I wouldn't even begin to know how that would work...unless Disney bought everybody and took over the world...I could see that happening...and I'd be fine with it... O_O

[Nick Sideris 1,551]

Sometimes , statements like  "We can't have two jungles in one game" really annoy me . I agree with you in the most part of your post .

[JTD95 1,107]

I do agree with you wholeheartedly, however, I'm curious as to whether you would be able to justify a Doctor Who world.

[MickeyTheMick 175]

I'm so tired of people speculating worlds, when none of these people are working on KH3. I would just sit back and just enjoy whatever worlds that come into KH3 because at the end of the day Square has already decided the worlds. 

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

No, I don't want sequels, I want the first main game, the old Sonic and the old Smash Bros. Tell me how those can be worlds and make sense!

 

 

Each area is a small version of the zones from Sonic 1, you meet Sonic, fight Eggman. Robot themed heartless, world boss is based on the final boss. Eggman can control heartless. Sonic and Sora's team up attack involves going fast adn probably wind or something

 

Some of us would actually like a more modern depiction of Sonic thank you very much. But yeah, with Sonic you could just have a generic story that follows the same formula as most of its games, going through various zones to stop Eggman from getting the Chaos Emeralds and taking over the world. The fact alone that you want a side scrolling game only as the motivation of a Sonic world is what limits it's possibilities, but if you open it up to anything that has happened in the series, the possibilities are never ending.

 

Although I find Hatok's idea would probably work in that setting too, I just don't see Sonic being portrayed in anything else other than his current look. If SEGA and DIsney managed to talk something out, odds are they would want Sonic in his modern appearance, they really aren't that big into using Classic Sonic in games anymore beyond Sonic Generations and as a unlockable for a mobile phone game. With that in mind, the most likely game scenario to be picked in my opinion would probably be Sonic Adventure, as that is one of the more popular 3D games and it still had as much variety and character as a classic game. That's just my thoughts though.

 

But yeah, something along the lines of having huge areas devoted to each zone (seeing as how big KH3 is going to be, it's not unreasonable to imagine something as close in scale as the Unleashed to Generations games levels in terms of size) and having speed be the main gimick of the world, where Sora may or may not have a hedgehog form. It might not be necessary since humans do exist in that world, though I do wonder if you would have to do anything to Donald and Goofy, since they're already anthropomorphic. You could probably learn more free running moves there. The idea of making the KH series just a little more Sonic-fied has always tickled my inner fanboy, so the fact that this is even up for discussion just makes me happy. X3

[Dracozombie 4,554]

The "so-and-so is overrated so I don't wanna see it!" argument is just annoying. A lot more people would be happy to see, say, Frozen in the game, and it's a good business decision, so in that respect everyone wins. If your complaint revolves around too many people liking it, that's really your problem, not KH's.

 

But for how much I might complain about certain worlds, at the end of the day I'd probably be cool with whatever appears. I'm more supportive of something when I see it in action, and we're not even in a good position to judge what would actually work. I mean, on paper, who but the weirdest fanboys think a Disney/Final Fantasy crossover would be a good idea?

[WakingDawn96 1,166]

Some of us would actually like a more modern depiction of Sonic thank you very much. But yeah, with Sonic you could just have a generic story that follows the same formula as most of its games, going through various zones to stop Eggman from getting the Chaos Emeralds and taking over the world. The fact alone that you want a side scrolling game only as the motivation of a Sonic world is what limits it's possibilities, but if you open it up to anything that has happened in the series, the possibilities are never ending. Although I find Hatok's idea would probably work in that setting too, I just don't see Sonic being portrayed in anything else other than his current look. If SEGA and DIsney managed to talk something out, odds are they would want Sonic in his modern appearance, they really aren't that big into using Classic Sonic in games anymore beyond Sonic Generations and as a unlockable for a mobile phone game. With that in mind, the most likely game scenario to be picked in my opinion would probably be Sonic Adventure, as that is one of the more popular 3D games and it still had as much variety and character as a classic game. That's just my thoughts though. But yeah, something along the lines of having huge areas devoted to each zone (seeing as how big KH3 is going to be, it's not unreasonable to imagine something as close in scale as the Unleashed to Generations games levels in terms of size) and having speed be the main gimick of the world, where Sora may or may not have a hedgehog form. It might not be necessary since humans do exist in that world, though I do wonder if you would have to do anything to Donald and Goofy, since they're already anthropomorphic. You could probably learn more free running moves there. The idea of making the KH series just a little more Sonic-fied has always tickled my inner fanboy, so the fact that this is even up for discussion just makes me happy. X3

Whatever opinions we may differ from, I am sure there isn't truly a right answer until it actually happens, but I will say this and I am sure we are all in agreement on, I would want Sonic Boom to not be apart of KH ever! I liked the TV show, I haven't gotten to read the comics, but I just don't think I want to see those versions of Sonic characters in KH (we should have the short Knuckles and not the tall one!) and I think the problems with Sonic Boom being hated among fans since things like bugs would cause Square Enix to take blame and a lot more people complaints about Sonic Boom being the one that is represented!

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Whatever opinions we may differ from, I am sure there isn't truly a right answer until it actually happens, but I will say this and I am sure we are all in agreement on, I would want Sonic Boom to not be apart of KH ever! I liked the TV show, I haven't gotten to read the comics, but I just don't think I want to see those versions of Sonic characters in KH (we should have the short Knuckles and not the tall one!) and I think the problems with Sonic Boom being hated among fans since things like bugs would cause Square Enix to take blame and a lot more people complaints about Sonic Boom being the one that is represented!

Well, problems like that aside, Sonic Boom is also just too new to be relevant. If anything, fans are going to want something from the version of Sonic that has been around for 25 years, not 2 so far. And that aside, the last 24 years of mainstream Sonic have a lot more of a unique identity to them than Sonic Boom, so in terms of a world amidst others in a KH game, a Sonic Team based Sonic world would stand out a lot better, Boom would probably blend in a little too much.

[hatok 6,413]

it's not unreasonable to imagine something as close in scale as the Unleashed to Generations games levels in terms of size)

it's completely unreasonable. KH3's worlds are big for Sora, but Sonic's levels are built for speed, which means they're HUGE for anybody else

Beyond that, Unleashed and Generations were full games made by big teams, and now you're asking to replicate that for a single world in KH

 

I do agree with you wholeheartedly, however, I'm curious as to whether you would be able to justify a Doctor Who world.

I don't actually watch Doctor Who, but with time travel being a thing and all it seems like it'd fit KH3 like a glove. Sora could take on a role similar to the companions the Doctor has. I guess there couldn't exactly be a "world" since the series goes throughout time, but maybe it cna be london or something, I dunno

and like

Dalek Heartless

or something

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

it's completely unreasonable. KH3's worlds are big for Sora, but Sonic's levels are built for speed, which means they're HUGE for anybody else

Beyond that, Unleashed and Generations were full games made by big teams, and now you're asking to replicate that for a single world in KH

 

I don't actually watch Doctor Who, but with time travel being a thing and all it seems like it'd fit KH3 like a glove. Sora could take on a role similar to the companions the Doctor has. I guess there couldn't exactly be a "world" since the series goes throughout time, but maybe it cna be london or something, I dunno

and like

Dalek Heartless

or something

Well who's to say the speed depicted in a KH Sonic world would be the same depicted in actual Sonic games? But either way, it would still have to be a fairly large enough build to accommodate the speed they would introduce. Maybe not as big as those games I mentioned, but still fairly big.

[outbackjim21 83]

You can't really use contradictory rules as an example for why disney movies can't be in KH seeing as there are never really any explicit rules in any disney movie that defy reality to such a degree other than magic, but for franchises like Star Wars there are most definitely rules and lore that contradict KH due to how similar yet fundamentally different they are. Not to mention the entire concept of the force, to introduce something like that which is essentially a fundamental law in the Star Wars universe yet having it so that it doesn't truly effect the kh universe is ridiculously stupid either the force is a permeating force throughout the universe or nothing. And the story can't be limited to a Star Wars "world" because then you aren't doing the franchise justice by having it take place all on one world, but if they make it so that the Star Wars world is a bunch of world's within a world then... I don't even know after that. But if square does decide to put in a Star Wars world it would be terribly mishandled no matter what they do.

[Guest]

That would actually made sense, since Disney creator hates jews.

 

That is such a disgusting assumption based on false media coverage that I do not know where to begin... Disney's original songwriters, The Sherman Brothers are Jewish. Sure, Disney did some terrible actions (such as the huge lay-offs and low pay for making Dumbo) but Jew hating was not one of them.

 

This seems like a rant for the sake of ranting. As a Kingdom Hearts forum, we should voice whatever we want and don't want for the series regardless.

 

There's a reason as to why certain "X" worlds won't work in Kingdom Hearts. Firstly, some of them just do not fit to the overall gameplay and plot of Kingdom Hearts or just feel too out of place. Tell me, how is "Home On The Range" going to work in Kingdom Hearts? would Sora turn into a cow just to save a farm? Not only is it hard to implement but it'd get even more negative backlash than Atlantica in Kingdom Hearts 2.

 

Secondly, Kingdom Hearts is a Disney property (produced by Square Enix). This is why the Final Fantasy characters are not too important in the overall plot. Because of this, there are certain restrictions as to what can appear. For instance, Final Fantasy worlds or worlds from Square Enix titles would be legally troublesome for Square Enix as having a Square Enix world from another Square Enix title would dilute the fact that this is a Disney property. This is evident in Wreck-It Ralph. Ralph never visited Mario's, Sonic's or PacMan's video games despite being a movie for video games, because, that would be legally troublesome in terms of ownership of assets. Characters don't fall into that category as they are easier to place a patent upon as opposed to "environments". 

 

Finally, Nomura already gave a soft confirmation that anything outside of the Disney Interactive umbrella (Lucasfilm/Marvel/Studio Ghibli) would not be able to work for Kingdom Hearts 3 as they would have to directly contact and meet Lucasfilm/Marvel/Studio Ghibli publishers, and with the time frame and costly negotiations they have to go through, Lucasfilm/Marvel/Studio Ghibli is not gonig to be in Kingdom Hearts 3.

Edited July 12, 2015 by Guest

[wingedarcher7 8]

The excuse that someone doesn't want something in Kingdom Hearts because it has too much love is easily the most ridiculous one. Well, aside from someone not wanting a world "just because." Tangled and Frozen are some of the worst offenders for this and seem to get all the hate. We already know we're getting a Tangled world and it looks beautiful. Anybody who would seriously put aside their love for the game because a world is based off a movie they don't like is ridiculous.

[flaahgra012 32]

The only world i'm really opposed to is a marvel one, it'd just feel so out of place idk

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

I really hate it when people say that they don't want -insert movie here- because they think it's overrated, usually with Frozen, duh. Just because there's one world or two that they didn't want, so be it. It wouldn't ruin the entire experience of the game. "If Frozen will be in KH3, then I won't play it." Sure you won't. You won't play a long-awaited world just because there's that one world that you don't want. (Sarcasm) I don't want Marvel or Star Wars to ever be in Kingdom Hearts, but if they ever do, I'll just take it and enjoy the rest of the game.