Anime | Manga "DragonBall Super"

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Found a picture that has (most of) all the new Gods in them.

 

 

Edited January 22, 2017 by Firaga Sensei

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A female Hakaishin who looks like she's based off of Cleopatra.  I swear the one covered in hair/fur is based on a furby toy minus the beak.  I'm guess that character in the cloak is either a competitor for that clown Hakaishin's universe or maybe that Kaioshin's assistant. 

 

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Hakaishin Joker and Angel Harly Quinn are a thing now, just wow

 

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Herms from Kanzenshuu has tweeted out a translation for a preview for Episode 77:

 

 

 

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I wonder if both Zeno's will show up when Goku presses the button. 

 

I'm eager to see how concern Vegeta will be with the whole child-birth experience. 

 

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Chapter 20 of the manga is out, and hey, I'm only four days late with this one. That's a huge improvement for me.

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I've watched the newest episode of Dragon Ball Super English Dub. I really like it so far.

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Well, things have certainly gotten quiet around here (EDIT: excluding that last post just now because this was written before I asked him to do so just pretend he didn't just do that). I haven’t been posting news or spoilers as much because I realize there are not a lot of people want to see spoilers on the thread or they just don’t care.

 

However, to rectify this, as well as take advantage of the fact that there’s no new episode this week, I whipped up a special treat for this thread’s followers in hopes of enlightening them on my own personal thoughts with Super thus far as well as maybe inspire some more talkback in the thread:

 

I am counting down my top 10 favorite things about DragonBall Super. I was going to name it a favorite “moments” list but then I realized some of these aren’t really moments as they are, well, “things”, basically anything I find positively awesome or noteworthy that the show has given us so far which can range from themes, ideas, characters, battles, etc.

 

So without further ado…

 

 

 || FIRAGA SENSEI PRESENTS ||

 

|| MY TOP TEN FAVORITE THINGS IN “DRAGONBALL SUPER” ||

 

|| #10 ||

|| Beerus’s “Hakai” On Present Zamasu ||

 

This is at the bottom of the list because I don’t really have much to say except to gush about how cool it was, but you know what? It’s still cool, so here you go.

 

Seeing Beerus destroy Present Zamasu was just so satisfying in a number of ways: 1) Because Beerus is one of my favorite characters, 2) The simple utterance of “Hakai” as he slowly disintegrates Zamasu is an awesome visual, 3) Zamasu (or rather, this version of him) got his comeuppance in one of the best ways possible, and 4) the way it capped off the mystery of Goku Black’s identity tied with the moment that Beerus and co. expose Zamasu before he kills Gowasu just adds to the greatness of it all. Beerus as a character is always fun to be around, even if his moral alignment at times is very ambiguous, but regardless of all that, in this moment alone, he was a straight up, stone cold badass and he took care of business.

 

And all it took was a single word.

 

|| #9 ||

|| Otto Magetta’s Debut ||

 

I don’t think there’s ever been a character as unique as Otto Magetta. He is easily one of the best characters in Super in terms of how he’s able to stand out among the crowd of our seasoned veterans of the DragonBall cast and serve as an insight to the new, interesting character concepts the show can deliver.

 

I mean, just look at this guy. He’s a tall, intricately designed robot with strong metal parts that provide great offense and defense; he has the most unique speaking/grunting pattern I’ve ever heard; he has an awesome spinning top attack; he shoots and spits lava; he can create an entire lava pit; he can create explosions from steam, and to top it off in the most Toriyama way possible: he crumbles into a sad, sensitive puppy dog if he gets insulted…. I love it. I mean, I don’t love when Magetta gets insulted because my God, poor guy, but you know what I mean.

 

His fight with Vegeta in the Champa arc is mostly well received, and damn if it doesn’t deserve the praise it gets. Vegeta himself does well enough, but for me, Otto Magetta is the complete highlight reel. He dominates this entire match with this mix of eccentric strategy and full on goofy but effective power that pushes Vegeta into a corner and easily gives him one of the more exciting and hard-fought fights of the whole cross universe tourney.

 

Sure, he still loses because of the whole crybaby thing, but you know what, even that is great because it once again shows how unique he is as both a fighter and a character. I hope that Otto Magetta gets even more time to shine in the upcoming Tournament of Power because just imagine how much of a threat he’ll be in a battle royale type setting. Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto.

 

|| #8 ||

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|| Muten Roshi Rides Again ||

 

When the Resurrection ‘F’ movie was getting ready to hit theaters, everybody was getting excited about seeing the side cast get a chance to fight again. Heck, when was first announced, everybody got excited in pretty much the same way. But in both instances when people were getting all up in arms about Gohan and Tenshinhan and even my two favorite characters Piccolo and Kuririn, there was one man, one icon that I personally was glad to see the most: the turtleshell ridin’, panty-stealin’, nose-bleedin’, swervin’ and pervin’ hermit himself, Muten motherf*cking Roshi.

 

I honestly believe that Muten Roshi does not get enough credit for himself. He is by far one of the most long-standing and iconic DragonBall characters there is and has made a ton of contributions in the form of his wisdom and lessons that help preach key themes, his help in the development of our main character Goku, various moments of funny perverted antics, and pretty much the standard for all pervy old mentor archetypes in shonen manga/anime that came after him, especially Naruto’s own Jiraiya.

 

His role in the story mostly pertains to his introduction in the very first arc where he allows Goku to learn the Kamehameha, following that and his training/mentorship of Goku and friends, up until his temporary death at the hands of Piccolo Daimao. After that however, he sadly mostly sticks to being in the background with the narrative musing that he is very much past his prime and doesn’t need to pontificate to the other characters about major themes or anything like that until of course the ‘F’ movie hit and he got to fight again albeit up against some Freeza Force mooks (though it was still nice to see him again).

 

That’s why I love that Super is giving him the chance to battle alongside god tier fighters in the Universal Survival arc. Throughout Super, he’s had some more solid comedy moments as well as some good mentor moments like in the Goku Black arc or in the mini-Kuririn arc (which I’ll discuss later on in this list), but this is the first chance he’s gotten since the second Z movie (a movie that I praise mostly only because he gets another fight) that he will take on a serious challenge. Now look, I know that a lot of people are upset that Goten or Trunks or even Yamucha didn’t get picked for the Universe Seven team and I can understand why Roshi could be seen as an odd pick given how little he seems to offer in terms of battle prowess especially in comparison to the other fighters like Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan.

 

But you know what: I don’t give a f*ck about battle powers anyway, so it’s no skin off my nose in the first place. What I care about is the fact that Roshi is a goddamn pimp and gets to be a goddamn pimp again. He is more interesting and likable than a lot of people that the community harps on about getting more screen time. Goten and Trunks? Boring. Tenshinhan? More boring. Chaozu? Barely a character to begin with. Yamucha? Sorry, but not even my own love for the King of Chewtoys can rival my love for Roshi. Him being a weak link in terms of fighting is suspect anyway. He’s over 300 years old and I feel like we’ve only really seen at least a third of his bag of tricks. He can pull his weight just fine if that’s taken advantage of.

 

Bottom line: Roshi is awesome, and I’m glad to see him in top form. Keep on keepin’ on, you perverted son of a bitch.

 

|| #7 ||

|| The Comedy ||

 

One thing I love most about DBS is that it marks a return, or at least a more focused representation, of the comedy aspect of the franchise and does it in spades. For so long, the series was trapped in what I like to call the “SeriousBall Era” from the Piccolo Daimao arc to the Jinzoningen arc where the emphasis on gags and general comedy was all but diminished. Obviously the Majin Buu arc would come along eventually where things got a lot more loose and willing to go into those kinds of extremes and thankfully so, but for a while, “SeriousBall” was the norm.

 

Now don’t get me wrong, there were still some funny and lighthearted moments here and there, but compared to the rest of the series, it just felt like it was trying too hard to be edgy, or at the very least not delivered with the same level of passion as earlier arcs in that regard.

 

That’s why I’m glad Super is sticking to its guns and delivering a balance between action and comedy. It shows that original author Akira Toriyama is glad to be behind the writer’s chair again and is ready to deliver new ideas and stories with the same Toriyama charm that defines the franchise at its core. We’re no longer bound by trying to focus solely on making fights and being serious all the time. We can have some gags here and there even during major story episodes; we can see the Pilaf Gang get into misadventures; we can an episode where we can see Arale again or have Yamucha captain a baseball team between Universe 7 and 6; we can even see Mr. Satan turn into his own version of a goddamn Super Saiyan God. If you don’t think that’s hilariously amazing, you’re dead inside.

 

Look, say what you want about the Majin Buu arc, it saved the series as far as I’m concerned because it restored DragonBall’s charm and I want the rest of the franchise to follow in its footsteps. I don’t care what your preferences are on how DragonBall should be tone wise, DragonBall is supposed to be fun, and if you’re not making it fun, you’re not making DragonBall. If you want full-on edginess, go watch that shitpile called DragonBall Absalon but over in Super, it’s fun times all the time, and that’s the way it should be.

 

|| #6 ||

|| Kuririn’s Humanity ||

 

Ah, Kuririn. The underdog. The everyman. The guy who always gets his butt kicked but takes it like a champ anyway because he is that darn dedicated and for the record, so does not deserve to be put in the same camp as Yamuchha. Did Kuririn get hit so hard that he literally broke a manga panel? No. No he didn’t. So stop that.

 

Kuririn is easily the most relatable character in the franchise. Gohan is relatable too, but at the end of the day, he’s still a half-alien hybrid that could snap you in half if he wanted to, shade from in-universe and out-of-universe notwithstanding, and has a long history of having power-ups handed to him. Kuririn, on the other hand, doesn’t get those luxuries… okay, he was handed the power-up from Namek’s Grand Elder, but I’d argue he had to work for that anyway, so there, nyeah.

 

Back on point: Kuririn is the bearer of many burdens in the original story: he never got a growth spurt and continues to be one of the shortest characters despite being one of the oldest, he’s constantly faced with obstacles and opponents way out of his league, he suffers the wrath of various comedy relief gags, and he had a long history of being unlucky in love and pining for marriage, but by the end of the original manga, he found his soulmate in Eighteen, had a daughter, and proved to all of us his worth as a man and his worth as one of the Dragon Team’s most cherished allies.

 

DBS expands on Kuririn in the best way possible: now retired as a fighter, Kuririn starts off being one of the gang now thrust into the new realm of godly power but then decides to have a one-off return to the field to help fight against the return of Freeza. In the original ‘F’ movie, it was just an excuse to see him fight again (as well as have some funny interactions with Jaco) but in Super, this is expanded into what I feel is now Kuririn’s long-standing character arc: his own internal battle with defining his self worth as a person and a fighter now that new threats on the horizon and now that he has a family he has to protect.

 

Not only does he get some extra moments with Goku, his family and the mentioned Roshi in Super’s ‘F’ arc but his entry into the Tournament of Power also allowed him a mini-arc of sorts where he gets back to training with Goku and conquers his remaining self-doubt in order to forge on ahead (which I completely see as a total success because frankly, if him punching out a fake Super Shenron and finishing it off with a team Kamehameha with SSJB Goku doesn’t breed signs of greatness ahead, I don’t know what would.)

 

Kuririn, even in this timeframe, continues to represent the fragility of the more normal beings in this franchise and I’m so glad that his character is being spotlighted on at the same time as his fighting prowess and isn’t just getting some Super Human God bullshit or something. His role in the upcoming Tournament of Power may not show him being a complete badass, but he doesn’t need to be. He’s perfectly fine doing what he’s been doing from the start: getting knocked down, getting knocked down again, getting knocked down a couple hundred more times… but always getting back up again. Hang in there, bald buddy.

 

|| #5 ||

|| Vegeta’s Evolution ||

 

Vegeta is not someone who I consider one of my favorite characters. You can mostly blame the fanboys for that though. Sorry, but I’m far too jaded at this point to even tolerate them now, so Vegeta is always a mixed bag whenever I view him as a whole.

 

But despite that, in terms of how and where he is in Super: he is completely a-okay in my book. In the original series, we saw him progress from a villain to an anti-hero to a villain again, all the years of egotism, bad decisions, and jealousy until he finally swallowed his big ass pride and showed commitment to owning up to his mistakes and becoming a better man.

 

In DBS, that same Vegeta is here in full force. Obviously, he’s not a saint as he never really was to begin with, still values his pride to a certain extent, and is constantly still trying to one-up Goku albeit in a more respectful and friendly rivalry than before, but he’s still a lot more humble, more considerate, more thoughtful, and especially a lot more caring to his own family than he was in the Z era. No “Perfect Form Cell” B.S. here, folks.

 

My favorite Vegeta moment in Super so far (and there’s a lot to pick from) is his fight with Cabba in the Champa arc. The entire set-up was a full-on contrast to the type of person he was before because in the end, it wasn’t really a fight to him: it was Cabba’s initiation to becoming his pupil. Vegeta has matured to a point where he can see a person like Cabba, see his potential as a figher, and instead of his pride dictating what he should do, he wants that potential to grow. He wants to have strong opponents to fight and even help train strong opponents to fight much like Goku would do. He’s no longer only about his own ambition and is willing to spread some wisdom and guidance to others in respect to their own power.

 

Again, he’s not my favorite, but I will always appreciate the value of his original character arc and the depth he brings to the franchise and I want to see him continue to better himself as both a character and a fighter alongside Goku. You may not be the “Prince of Saiyans”, but you’re the king of our hearts, Vegeta. Well, not my heart, but still, keep doing what you do.

 

|| #4 ||

|| Future Trunks slays Merged Zamasu ||

 

Future Trunks ranks high among my favorite characters in DragonBall, right under my top two favorites Kuririn and Piccolo, so you could imagine that I had a real blast during the Goku Black arc, and despite its flaws, I think the fanbase really enjoyed it too.

 

Obviously a lot of that now lukewarm reception comes from the last few episodes, which this moment is apart of, but even so, this is the absolute cap-off to everything FT has worked for in this part, and even if you have mixed feelings about the ending as a whole, it’s hard to deny the sheer awesomeness of this one solitary moment.

 

FT, after battling an enemy (well two or three technically but they’re all the same guy anyway, so one enemy still works) who mocks the power of mortals and has put him in a constant state of fear and uncertainty even greater than the Jinzoningen, finally stands up to his opponent, armed with the power of his half-human, half-Saiyan genes and a BFS that would make Cloud Strife blush, finally gives the bastard what’s coming to him and shows that mortals can conquer anything.

 

Again, I know there’s a lot of things you could bring up about the ending and the other things connected to it like Super Saiyan Rage, the timeline, his ultimate fate at the end and blah blah blah, but sorry, I refuse to let myself be clouded by negativity on this one. FT is a character that is the epitome of suffering and battling strife in the DragonBall world and I believe that this moment is satisfying to everybody who loves him and anybody who celebrates the message that it holds: no matter what comes your way, always believe that you can create a better future. I hope your future is bright, Trunks. At least now you got some sweet Future Mai pussy to go along with it, a-heh-heh… sorry, couldn’t resist.

 

|| #3 ||

|| Future Trunks reunites with Gohan ||

 

Before of course his climatic finish in the last moment, Future Trunks also shared a poignant moment with Gohan of the main timeline, which ultimately helped him settle onto the path of moving on, and eventually, becoming stronger. Now, the impact this sequence has with FT is very important, but what I find the most poignant is the kind of message it sends out-of-universe as well, and yes, this is about Gohan… oh boy.

 

So FT visits Gohan, he sees that he is longer the fighter he was when they last met and is a total far cry from the man he knew in his own time. When I first saw that this episode was going to air, I was dreading what would happen and the things that FT would say or think about Gohan, but thankfully, my fears were quelled by the end.

 

Granted, this sequence is a bit complicated to interpret in some ways, but let me tell you how I view it: FT saw how, for lack of a better term, “soft” Gohan become since becoming an adult but he still admires and appreciates the fact that a version of his most cherished master got to live a peaceful happy life, achieved his own personal dream, and was fortunate enough not to spend his life fighting and eventually dying young and broken like his other self did. FT not only resolves to get his own happy ending but also that even though Gohan is not a fighter like his other self or like his own self anymore, what is ultimately important is that he not dwell on the past and instead look to the future. No pun intended.

 

So in a nutshell, this not only speaks to FT but also to fans of Gohan who feel that he has fallen from grace over the years, and if I haven’t made it clear before, I was completely onboard with an assessment because it was something that showed Gohan care and acceptance for who he is instead of disowning him for who he is not, something that I feel that even people who do still like him need to start doing more… okay, that’s enough on that, I’m going to move on before I start hearing people banging on my door with torches and pitchforks and signs saying “#MAKEGOHANGREATAGAIN” … BANG BANG Crap! Next thing!!

 

|| #2 ||

|| Goku unveils SSJB + Kaioken ||

 

In the words of Plankton: “Yes… yes… YEEEESS. COME TO PAPA!”

 

Goku in Super is constantly diving into a new realm of godly power that he has never experienced before, and what has he come up with to continue to push his limits? A power-up he hasn’t used since the Freeza arc that finally has a reason to be put to use again. And I absolutely love it.

 

That may seem like I’m being sarcastic or am trying to paint this as one of those “ha-ha, comedic irony” moments that DragonBall is known for, and obviously this is more power level-y important than character/story important, but I’m super cereals guys, I approve of this all the way and I have reasons why.

 

The conga line of Saiyan transformations is a constant factor in DragonBall, whether you love it or hate, and although author Akira Toriyama has shown interest in doubling back on this mentality and opting for more simplistic and more sparse forms (which I appreciate a lot too), the whole deal with SSJG and SSJB still sort of falls into that same category. I have a feeling that Toriyama was completely fine with making SSJG the only Saiyan form outside of vanilla SSJ-SSJ3 but when RF was coming around, TOEI told him, “oh yeah and we need another SSJG form. Cuz you know… toys.” What, how do you think it went? I’m not stupid. I know what TOEI wants. Business is business.

 

So instead of unveiling another new transformation by introducing SSJB2 or something, Goku gives us this little twist and brings back an old form he hasn’t used for years (and somewhat fitting is that it’s the only other technique he has learned thanks to gods other than SSJG and SSJB) and gives it the best introduction possible by using it in the climax of his battle with Hit in the cross universe tourney accompanied by an fast-paced, intense, hard-hitting final stand-off with Hit with Chozetsu Dynamic playing in the background and ending up with a classic Kamehameha beam struggle. This, my friends, is DragonBall action incarnate.

 

All of this, for me, is a sign that despite even the most basic norms of the franchise digging its heels into Super and refusing to move, this show is willing to give us something new, give us something familiar, give us something creative, and give us something that pushes past boundaries all at the same time even when it comes to the progression of our main character Goku who is easily the biggest example of adding on more and more transformations with every new level power to a point where it can seem tired, and who also can easily just do the same thing he has always done but instead chooses to set a new standard altogether. It’s even happening with Goku’s actual character himself in the current arc, so this just makes this point all the more stronger. SSJB + Kaioken: Old school, new school, and all around awesome.

 

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|| The Tournament of Power ||

 

Ohhhhhh man. This is it. This is the arc that the show has been building for since arguably all the way back in 2013 when Battle of Gods first hit theaters and dropped the bombshell that the Dragon Team’s world is only one of 12 different universes that inhabit the vast space of reality, all of which have strong fighters with unimaginable levels of power. And it’s all going to go down with ten of our favorite Universe 7 pals against eight more teams in a fight to the finish where the losers have all they know erased from existence… if you’ve been avoiding Super until this point, or know some people who have been avoiding it: tell them to get on it. Right. Now.

 

In only a few episodes alone, before the tournament has even officially started, there has been hype, speculation, and full-on greatness surrounding this arc and it shows signs of being not only the best arc of Super but also one of the best story arcs in all of DragonBall history.

 

Now, tournament arcs aren’t a new thing in DragonBall obviously. We’ve had tournaments in almost every arc in the first part of the series and we’ve had a few others in the Z era as well. Still, this tournament arc has potential for great things outside of the usual tournament set-up. For one, as of recent knowledge, we know that the tournament is going to be a battle royale, meaning that it can expand the battles into more than just straight-up one-on-one fights and involve teamwork being put into play, something that’s a rare sight in general DragonBall combat. Another thing is that there are limitations being set so that the fighters will be inherently focused on using strategy and skills to win rather than brute force, another subversion in DragonBall combat. These things combined with the scale of opponents make for a promising display.

 

My personal reasons for being excited, if you haven’t already guessed is the focus on characterization. Characterization is obviously something other tournaments have dived into outside of just seeing fights happen, but for this tournament especially I feel it will be a great deal of importance because of how many main characters will be competing and what be their character arc for the upcoming chain of events. (Yes, even Tenshinhan. I’ll give him one chance. Just one.)

 

Obviously we’re unsure of everybody as of now because the team hasn’t been officially formed but we’ve still been enlightened on some things regardless: Gohan is obviously trying to make a comeback and return to his former level of power, and based on his exhibition fight with Lavenda, that’ll easily be a highlight of the arc; Vegeta and Bulma are having Bra, so Vegeta’s new character will continue to showcase his newfound morality as he is given another family member to protect; And of course, as previously mentioned, and as the internet has made very clear in the past few weeks, Goku seems to be set on entering his own intriguing arc with his own morality being put into question in a way that it never has been before. (Which by the way is completely different from him “turning evil” like other people have said. #LeaveGokuAlone)

 

There’s also the promise of how the opposing characters will be handled as well. We have the returning Universe 6 fighters who are already established with their own brand of intrigue, especially the characters of Cabba and Hit, and there are definitely no signs of the other opponents being one-off punching bags like Ranfan or Man-Wolf, and even if not everybody will be a three-dimensional study of the human condition by the end, there is promise that they will at least be interesting. The Trio de Dangers and Toppo of the Pride Troopers are already showing shades of this in current episodes, and again, this is before the actual tournament starts.

 

To be honest, what really sells this idea for me is how much this tournament makes me think about the Chunin Exams in Naruto. (Yes, I’m comparing DragonBall to Naruto despite all the negative implications that might draw, don’t @ me). See, the Chunin Exams are what I consider an excellent blend of characterization plus story progression through a series of fights all in the same package. I mean, there were some throwaway fights too, but the most important ones (Sakura vs. Ino, Naruto vs. Kiba, Hinata vs. Neji, Lee vs. Gaara, and then later on Naruto vs. Neji, Shikamaru vs. Temari and Sasuke vs. Gaara) were ones that hit the hardest in terms of the battles and how it treated the people throwing the punches. We saw insight into how they tick, what they’re aiming for, how they’re reacting to the predicaments they were facing, their backgrounds, their emotions, literally everything. Again, I’ll bring up the Gohan vs. Lavenda example because was pretty much dead-on how it was handled (minus flashbacks). Imagine what it would be like if you gave that kind of attention the rest of the fights in the tournament. Now imagine that coupled with the other possibilities the arc has in terms of the universe gods, Zen’o-sama, Daishinkan, etc. Oh Kami, it promises to be absolutely amazing.

Bring it on, Super. I’m ready for it.

 

And that concludes my very long countdown. Please feel free to comment on my choices and leave your own lists if you want (which will probably be a lot shorter than my own ).

Edited April 6, 2017 by Firaga Sensei

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That is a great list.  Every part of it is great.

 

 

  Beerus's Hakai on Zamasu was definitely one of the coolest moments in Super.  But I feel like it's become a meme at this point (not that there's any problem with that  ).

 

Dude, I really love Magetta.  His design, his abilities/attacks, all of it and him.  I felt sad for the robo bro when he broke down after Vegeta insulted him.  I relate to Magetta cause I too would feel awful when someone insulted me as a kid.  I hope he knocks some people out in the tournament.

 

I feel the comedy in Super is pretty good.  It's a nice break from the action.  One of the many reasons why the Majin Buu arc is my favorite in Z is because of the comedy.

 

Oh man.  You have no idea how excited I was when Goku used Kaioken while SSJB, let alone him not using for a long time.  I was about ready to tear up when it happened.  To think it was ever a possibility seemed so crazy.  Not to mention Chozetsu Dynamic fitted so well with the moment in my opinion.  It was all sorts of fantastic and awesome and great and AAAAAAAUGH. 

 

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I know I already claimed that a lot of people don't like/don't care about reading spoilers on this thread... but I couldn't resist.

 

There's info on DragonBall Super episode 86 (coming of course from Kazenshuu translator Herms on his Twitter page @Herms98 and it contains info that really makes me excited to see it so I'm posting it here just so I have an excuse to gush about it. Feel free to ignore if you want, but I sure won't.

 

 

 

 

Yes. This is the episode folks, the episode where we're finally reintroduced to everybody's favorite cyborg-turned-park ranger, Android 17.

 

Now, I've never cited Seventeen as one of my favorite characters or anything (in fact, I don't think that other people excited for his return do either ) but at the same time, it feels right.

 

Maybe it's just because he was a character that had been absent for so long and had a lot of potential to do more and become a good guy in most people's eyes. After all, he is related to Eighteen, which by proxy makes him related to Kuririn too, and everybody always goes on about how cool that dynamic could be used, and I agree.

 

What's also exciting is that Goku and Seventeen get to meet for the first time because despite being a prominent antagonist in the Androids/Cell arc, Goku did in fact never meet any of the Androids during their "rampage" so to speak and only met Sixteen and later Eighteen when they were (more-or-less in Sixteen's case) allies. It's also interesting to see how he will interact with Goku, at least for me. We all know how Goku is and Seventeen's demeanor would provide a good person to play it off of.