Why do people think Terra is a GOL?

[Nero Kunivas 3,046]

Hmm.. Personally I don't believe any characters will die. Dying is something Disney can take violently and won't accept it. If anything, you mean 'vanish'.

And yet, many have died in Disney's past.

 

As for this topic: It really could go either way.

[Jake 1,488]

And yet, many have died in Disney's past.

 

As for this topic: It really could go either way.

Yeah but they magically reappear. (Unless you're a bad guy, then they just crush you like a bug. )

[Nero Kunivas 3,046]

Yeah but they magically reappear. (Unless you're a bad guy, then they just crush you like a bug. )

Mufasa: Stomped to death in a stampede and entered the Afterlife and only appeared once more to Simba to advise him.

 

Scar: Eaten alive by Hyenas after being defeated by Simba in combat, which soon became Mortal Kombat due to a Hyena Based Fatality.

 

Snow White: Only revived after a kiss after being poisoned.

 

The Queen/Evil Witch: Fell to her death after Lightning stuck her platform on a Cliff-side.

 

Gaston: Fell to his death after the Beast knocked him off.

 

Maleficent: Stabbed through the Heart as a Dragon with the Sword of Truth.

 

Pirates of the Caribbean: Yep, whole category. Many, many people died through violent means. Only Barbossa and Jack Sparrow came back to true life. Will Turner doesn't quite count.

 

Finding Nemo: Countless undeveloped Clown Fish children and Nemo's Mother eaten by a large fish, random Goldfish shaken to death and Nemo has several near-death experiences.

 

Aladdin: Jafar killed after Lamp is destroyed and Iago nearly dies. Along with that one guy in the third film being turned into Gold alive.

 

Need I go on? Disney aren't against death, they just don't delve into it as often as others do or like they used to. Hell, Jafar died in KH and Maleficent for a while did too. 

[Jake 1,488]

Mufasa: Stomped to death in a stampede and entered the Afterlife and only appeared once more to Simba to advise him.

 

Scar: Eaten alive by Hyenas after being defeated by Simba in combat, which soon became Mortal Kombat due to a Hyena Based Fatality.

 

Snow White: Only revived after a kiss after being poisoned.

 

The Queen/Evil Witch: Fell to her death after Lightning stuck her platform on a Cliff-side.

 

Gaston: Fell to his death after the Beast knocked him off.

 

Maleficent: Stabbed through the Heart as a Dragon with the Sword of Truth.

 

Pirates of the Caribbean: Yep, whole category. Many, many people died through violent means. Only Barbossa and Jack Sparrow came back to true life. Will Turner doesn't quite count.

 

Finding Nemo: Countless undeveloped Clown Fish children and Nemo's Mother eaten by a large fish, random Goldfish shaken to death and Nemo has several near-death experiences.

 

Aladdin: Jafar killed after Lamp is destroyed and Iago nearly dies. Along with that one guy in the third film being turned into Gold alive.

 

Need I go on? Disney aren't against death, they just don't delve into it as often as others do or like they used to. Hell, Jafar died in KH and Maleficent for a while did too. 

Most of those listed are bad people, which I said except bad people. Plus they are part of their story. Figures such as Mickey in KH wouldn't ever die because Disney does not approve, Donald or Goofy either. If it was part of the story for others, then sure. But if someone in KH truly died through a 'violent' means that connects to Disney in either way then they won't let it. 

[Nero Kunivas 3,046]

Most of those listed are bad people, which I said except bad people. Plus they are part of their story. Figures such as Mickey in KH wouldn't ever die because Disney does not approve, Donald or Goofy either. If it was part of the story for others, then sure. But if someone in KH truly died through a 'violent' means that connects to Disney in either way then they won't let it. 

While it is a given Donald, Goofy and Mickey won't ever die, it's not an assurance for anyone Non-Disney or a Villain.

 

And as for violence...well, it's possible, who knows? Especially given the way some have died in Disney.

 

Also, yeah, I know you excluded bad people, but I felt it was a given to be mentioned. Then again, recent Disney villains don't die...

 

Gah, it's really up in the air, isn't it? Kinda like Terra being a GoL.

[Psychic_Ketchup 367]

You can theorize or look for previous entries to predict the future, but Nomura's always gonna find some way to blindside everyone.

That said, it could go either way. MX said Terra's on the list, and that he has him in his hold. So he IS a GoL, but he needs to be rescued. Then it could play out like the fight against Beast in KH2. 

My idea is that Terra will come to fight for the light eventually, but to make up for all the things he unknowingly did and caused, he'll sacrifice himself in a grand manner as an apology. So basically exactly like Reddas in Final Fantasy XII (Spoilers I guess )

 

 

Mufasa: Stomped to death in a stampede and entered the Afterlife and only appeared once more to Simba to advise him.

 

Scar: Eaten alive by Hyenas after being defeated by Simba in combat, which soon became Mortal Kombat due to a Hyena Based Fatality.

 

Snow White: Only revived after a kiss after being poisoned.

 

The Queen/Evil Witch: Fell to her death after Lightning stuck her platform on a Cliff-side.

 

Gaston: Fell to his death after the Beast knocked him off.

 

Maleficent: Stabbed through the Heart as a Dragon with the Sword of Truth.

 

Pirates of the Caribbean: Yep, whole category. Many, many people died through violent means. Only Barbossa and Jack Sparrow came back to true life. Will Turner doesn't quite count.

 

Finding Nemo: Countless undeveloped Clown Fish children and Nemo's Mother eaten by a large fish, random Goldfish shaken to death and Nemo has several near-death experiences.

 

Aladdin: Jafar killed after Lamp is destroyed and Iago nearly dies. Along with that one guy in the third film being turned into Gold alive.

 

Need I go on? Disney aren't against death, they just don't delve into it as often as others do or like they used to. Hell, Jafar died in KH and Maleficent for a while did too. 

 

What about Bambi's mother? She was firetrucking shot! Next time you summon him, you'll know he's only prancing around to hide the pain.

[Vexen 73]

Um that line actually implies the opposite. ...And that opening scene means nothing. Nomura even said so.

 

Source please.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Source please.

• Are the 7 Guardians of Light the 7 people raising their Keyblades at the end of the opening movie?

But among them, you’re missing Kairi, who appeared in the secret ending of this title. Please look forward to finding out whether those seven will actually be the 7 Guardians of Light.

[Vexen 73]

 

• Are the 7 Guardians of Light the 7 people raising their Keyblades at the end of the opening movie?

But among them, you’re missing Kairi, who appeared in the secret ending of this title. Please look forward to finding out whether those seven will actually be the 7 Guardians of Light.

 

Thank you.

Still, he doesn't say that the scene "means nothing".

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Thank you.Still, he doesn't say that the scene "means nothing".

 Pretty sure he meant it wasn't canon.

[Vexen 73]

 Pretty sure he meant it wasn't canon.

We will have to wait and see.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

We will have to wait and see.

    I was talking about who you quoted. Nomura definitely inferred it wasn't canon 

[Vexen 73]

    I was talking about who you quoted. Nomura definitely inferred it wasn't canon 

 

While I do agree that the scene probably isn't canon, It still doesn't rule out Terra being a GoL. Anyways, I got the source of Nomura's statement, as I wished

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

While I do agree that the scene probably isn't canon, It still doesn't rule out Terra being a GoL. Anyways, I got the source of Nomura's statement, as I wished

 I never said it did If you read my first post in this thread you will see that I think it could go either way. And you are welcome!

[Charles Matthews 24]

Thanks Flaming Lea Sama for the source

 

And as I mentioned before scene not canon = means nothing so my point still stands and there's more evidence of Terra being on the SOD team soo

 

But he'll probably be saved near the end and would switch sides most likely

Edited July 4, 2015 by Charles Matthews

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

40 replies on this topic, I really get the discussions going aye

[Guest]

Hmm.. Personally I don't believe any characters will die. Dying is something Disney can take violently and won't accept it. If anything, you mean 'vanish'.

 

Actually, its Tetsuya Nomura (and not Disney)who can't stand death... he even revived Ursula... FRICKIN URSULA, AFTER TWO DEFEATS  :blink:

Edited July 4, 2015 by Guest

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I genuinely don't get this. When MX was talking to Riku and Mickey in KH3D this is what was said

Mickey: As for Keyblade wielders there's me, riku and Sora and my 3 missing friends(TAV obviously)

MX:But Sora and another on your list belong to me now

Did that 1 line go past your heads? Let's go through this 1 character at a time to see who this 'other' person could be.

King Mickey-Obviously no

Riku-No because he was in the room

Sora-He was already mentioned by Xehanort

Aqua-Possibly, I could see the SOD going into the realm of darkness and finding her and norting her. She was a keyblade master after all and a damn strong one.

Ventus-Unlikely since his heart is in Sora so just a body would be useless. Plus no one knows where he is.

Terra-Well yes. Many youtubers have done videos on this if you've already seen, and it seems very possible,

When a nobody and a heartless are extinguished the person before the split comes back. Terranort wasn't his own person really. He was a mixture of one persons body and 3 hearts (Terra, Eraqus and Xehanort, assuming Eraqus found his way into Terra). It would make sense that MX and Terra come back since they were the original personas of this convoluted mixture. Terra is probably super weak since his body just went through absolute hell (Being used by Terranort, then for Ansem SOD and for Xemnas too) so he wouldn't really be able to defend himself against MX who's been in control this whole time. They probably woke up near each other in the Keyblade Graveyard so it wouldn't be hard for MX to find him. Do not forget his mind is in the lingering will so he probably has no idea what is going on.

 

Terra seems most likely to be a nort. If what i'm saying turns out to be true I don't know how on earth he'll ever be freed, Terra has gone through such complications. I don't want him joining the GOL anyway it'll be too much effort to save him considering the state he is in. MX will just end up turning him into a killing machine. What about you guys?

Why you ask? Because he is. He will kick MX out from his heart and take it back. not only that, but Eraqus set foot in Terra's heart, so he has help when kicking MX out.

[hatok 6,413]

Alright, so a few things

One, Xehanort talks about how people on this list are his, yes

but he immediately goes on to say "don't worry, everyone will gather at the fated place"

Xehanort knows everything will work out, and is simply going through the motions to ensure that the ultimate outcome is what is destined.

Which leads me to another thing. We can't exactly have people switching sides, or anything like that. When the final conflict rolls around, there needs to be exactly 7 lights and 13 darknesses. Xehanort isn't trying to cripple the guardians of light, he's actively trying to enure they all gather to fight

 

Hmm.. Personally I don't believe any characters will die. Dying is something Disney can take violently and won't accept it. If anything, you mean 'vanish'.

 

 Pretty sure he meant it wasn't canon.

The wording, saying that you can look forward to finding out IF those are the guardians makes it iffy. Definitely a lot less damning that outright saying it's not canon. Clearly a move to spark speculation. But it's still an odd move. Why specifically have 7 keyblade wielders? Why not include Xion? Or Axel for that matter?

It's typical Nomura vagueness

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Alright, so a few things

One, Xehanort talks about how people on this list are his, yes

but he immediately goes on to say "don't worry, everyone will gather at the fated place"

Xehanort knows everything will work out, and is simply going through the motions to ensure that the ultimate outcome is what is destined.

Which leads me to another thing. We can't exactly have people switching sides, or anything like that. When the final conflict rolls around, there needs to be exactly 7 lights and 13 darknesses. Xehanort isn't trying to cripple the guardians of light, he's actively trying to enure they all gather to fight

 

 

The wording, saying that you can look forward to finding out IF those are the guardians makes it iffy. Definitely a lot less damning that outright saying it's not canon. Clearly a move to spark speculation. But it's still an odd move. Why specifically have 7 keyblade wielders? Why not include Xion? Or Axel for that matter?

It's typical Nomura vagueness

 

 

1-.If you pay attention to that particular scene MX goes on to explain he's not worried about the fact that any of the lights switch sides bc fate and kingdom hearts yadda yadda yadda will ensure a definite replacement basically.

 

as for your quote pay attention: I said this :

 

We will have to wait and see.

    I was talking about who you quoted. Nomura definitely inferred it wasn't canon 

 

 

I was referring to who/the member he quoted for one. Charles matthews. He used the words meant nothing, not Nomura. I even pointed out who i was refering to. Two Nomura darn well did infer that since he was saying Kairi wasn't one of the ones in the opening therefore no it wasn't canon pretty much. Also he was trying to keep Lea's "surprise" a secret too so if Lea is indeed a candidate or an actual light theres no way he could've put it into the opening. Also it's called context clues considering the awkward way Nomura phrases things and the way things are translated.

 

Edited July 5, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[2 quid is good 2,209]

So can we all at least agree that Mickey is one of us? xD

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Alright, so a few thingsOne, Xehanort talks about how people on this list are his, yesbut he immediately goes on to say "don't worry, everyone will gather at the fated place"Xehanort knows everything will work out, and is simply going through the motions to ensure that the ultimate outcome is what is destined.Which leads me to another thing. We can't exactly have people switching sides, or anything like that. When the final conflict rolls around, there needs to be exactly 7 lights and 13 darknesses. Xehanort isn't trying to cripple the guardians of light, he's actively trying to enure they all gather to fight

The wording, saying that you can look forward to finding out IF those are the guardians makes it iffy. Definitely a lot less damning that outright saying it's not canon. Clearly a move to spark speculation. But it's still an odd move. Why specifically have 7 keyblade wielders? Why not include Xion? Or Axel for that matter?It's typical Nomura vagueness

Wouldn't the fact that he specifically pointed out that Kairi was not included in that scene compounded with the fact that she is a confirmed Guardian of Light point to the fact that she is replacing someone on that list. Xion didn't even really have Keyblade and putting Lea and Kairi in there would have given away the surprise endings. Post game context would clearly show that opening trailer was a place holder. Edited July 5, 2015 by RobbyRobRob the Wise

[hatok 6,413]

Wouldn't the fact that he specifically pointed out that Kairi was not included in that scene compounded with the fact that she is a confirmed Guardian of Light point to the fact that she is replacing someone on that list. Xion didn't even really have Keyblade and putting Lea and Kairi in there would have given away the surprise endings. Post game context would clearly show that opening trailer was a place holder.

my point is if it wasn't indicating something, why not just have all the heroes together? Why have seven specific keyblade wielders?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

my point is if it wasn't indicating something, why not just have all the heroes together? Why have seven specific keyblade wielders?

 

Because it's symbolic? Like he said placeholders.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

my point is if it wasn't indicating something, why not just have all the heroes together? Why have seven specific keyblade wielders?

Because like I said those were the only Keyblade wielders that actually could be used as placeholders without spoiling the surprise endings.