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Why do people think Terra is a GOL?

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I genuinely don't get this. When MX was talking to Riku and Mickey in KH3D this is what was said

Mickey: As for Keyblade wielders there's me, riku and Sora and my 3 missing friends(TAV obviously)

MX:But Sora and another on your list belong to me now

Did that 1 line go past your heads? Let's go through this 1 character at a time to see who this 'other' person could be.

King Mickey-Obviously no

Riku-No because he was in the room

Sora-He was already mentioned by Xehanort

Aqua-Possibly, I could see the SOD going into the realm of darkness and finding her and norting her. She was a keyblade master after all and a damn strong one.

Ventus-Unlikely since his heart is in Sora so just a body would be useless. Plus no one knows where he is.

Terra-Well yes. Many youtubers have done videos on this if you've already seen, and it seems very possible,

When a nobody and a heartless are extinguished the person before the split comes back. Terranort wasn't his own person really. He was a mixture of one persons body and 3 hearts (Terra, Eraqus and Xehanort, assuming Eraqus found his way into Terra). It would make sense that MX and Terra come back since they were the original personas of this convoluted mixture. Terra is probably super weak since his body just went through absolute hell (Being used by Terranort, then for Ansem SOD and for Xemnas too) so he wouldn't really be able to defend himself against MX who's been in control this whole time. They probably woke up near each other in the Keyblade Graveyard so it wouldn't be hard for MX to find him. Do not forget his mind is in the lingering will so he probably has no idea what is going on.

 

Terra seems most likely to be a nort. If what i'm saying turns out to be true I don't know how on earth he'll ever be freed, Terra has gone through such complications. I don't want him joining the GOL anyway it'll be too much effort to save him considering the state he is in. MX will just end up turning him into a killing machine. What about you guys?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, I really don't get why people still think Terra will be a guardian of light. It's pretty clear that he won't be. I figure he'll probably be saved by the end of the game, but that doesn't make him a guardian of light. The ending and secret ending of KH3D made it fairly obvious that that Kairi and Lea are going to be guardians of light along with Sora, Riku, Mickey, Aqua and Ven, but obviously nothing is confirmed. This seems most likely, though. 

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Terra's soul is in The Lingering Will (his armour). That's why a fair few people still think that Terra will assist the Guardians Of Light in some capacity.

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that's the line that basically confirms he's a Guardian of Light, since Xehanort called him one

He's one of the list, like Sora

Besides, Terra is one of seven keyblade wielders who appears at the end of KH3D's intro

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Terra's soul is in The Lingering Will (his armour). That's why a fair few people still think that Terra will assist the Guardians Of Light in some capacity.

Remember when Sora met the lingering will? He got his ass handed to him about 60/70 ish times. Dolan and Gooby dying about 200 times before Sora can pull through a win.

In short, lingering will is a killing machine with no heart. He acts upon instinct and since he doesn't have a body, he can't see anything. Anything that comes near him he presumes as 'XEHANORT' and tries to kill.

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Mickey: As for Keyblade wielders there's me, riku and Sora and my 3 missing friends(TAV obviously)

 

You basically admitted Terra is a GOL. He's currently stuck with Xehanort but once hes saved or he escapes it by himself, he will be one of the guardian of lights.

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that's the line that basically confirms he's a Guardian of Light, since Xehanort called him one

He's one of the list, like Sora

Besides, Terra is one of seven keyblade wielders who appears at the end of KH3D's intro

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What are you talking about?

'Sora and another on your list BELONG TO ME NOW' how on earth does that confirm him as a GOL?

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that's the line that basically confirms he's a Guardian of Light, since Xehanort called him one

He's one of the list, like Sora

Besides, Terra is one of seven keyblade wielders who appears at the end of KH3D's intro

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Um that line actually implies the opposite. ...

 

And that opening scene means nothing. Nomura even said so.

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What are you talking about?

'Sora and another on your list BELONG TO ME NOW' how on earth does that confirm him as a GOL?

Because he's on the list of Guardians of Light? Xehanort needs there to be seven, anyways, that's part of his goal

 

Um that line actually implies the opposite. ...And that opening scene means nothing. Nomura even said so.

The implication that he was on the list in the first place? Not exactly

Also, it's not indicative of an actual event, yeah, but the specific choice of keyblade wielders isn't exactly an accident

 

Remember when Sora met the lingering will? He got his ass handed to him about 60/70 ish times. Dolan and Gooby dying about 200 times before Sora can pull through a win.

In short, lingering will is a killing machine with no heart. He acts upon instinct and since he doesn't have a body, he can't see anything. Anything that comes near him he presumes as 'XEHANORT' and tries to kill.

Interesting fanfic

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You basically admitted Terra is a GOL. He's currently stuck with Xehanort but once hes saved or he escapes it by himself, he will be one of the guardian of lights.i

Did you read the bottom paragraph where I explained why Terra will be a SOD or a Xehanort pawn?

He has no will since it's stuck in the lingering will and his heart and body will be severely damaged after being used by other people (Terranort and Xemnas). If he doesn't have his own mind how on earth can he escape? And like i said, Xehanort will nort the living daylight into him. So Terra will end up being a nort. So it'll be difficult for him to be saved. Since the GOL will actually have to find him, convince him, fight him to knock some sense into him also whilst fighting the other SOD who will try to protect Terra.

 

 

Because he's on the listPosted Image of Guardians of Light? Xehanort needs there to be seven, anyways, that's part of his goal

 

The implication that he was on the list in the first place? Not exactly

Also, it's not indicativePosted Image of an actual event, yeah, but the specific choice of keyblade wielders isn't exactly an accident

 

Interesting fanfic

Actually listen to the linePosted Image again on youtube King Mickey actually says

'As for Keyblade wielders there's me, Sora Riku and my 3 missing friends'

'KEYBLADE WIELDERS, not guardians of light, 'keyblade wielders'

 

Oh and thats not a fanfic, go watch the lingering will cutscenes and consider what he is actually doing. He's not exactly the most human of creatures.

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Did you read the bottom paragraph where I explained why Terra will be a SOD or a Xehanort pawn?

He has no will since it's stuck in the lingering will and his heart and body will be severely damaged after being used by other people (Terranort and Xemnas). If he doesn't have his own mind how on earth can he escape? And like i said, Xehanort will nort the living daylight into him. So Terra will end up being a nort. So it'll be difficult for him to be saved. Since the GOL will actually have to find him, convince him, fight him to knock some sense into him also whilst fighting the other SOD who will try to protect Terra.

If memory serves me right, Terra still has his own will and continues to fight Xehanort. If you remember the beginning of the extra episode in BBS, Xehanort and Terra are discussing something and Eraqus seems to be alive in spirit somewhere with Terra. He hasn't lost all his will and has a chance to escape.

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Actually listen to the line again on youtube King Mickey actually says

'As for Keyblade wielders there's me, Sora Riku and my 3 missing friends'

'KEYBLADE WIELDERS, not guardians of light, 'keyblade wielders'

because there are two subsets of guardian

the pincesses of heart, and keyblade wielders

Of course, it's all guessing on Mickey's part, and xehanort could be wrong, too

that's the thing

it's unconfirmed

Terra could be a guardian

Kairi could be a guardian

donald could be a guardian

even xion could be a guardian

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 The implication that he was on the list in the first place? Not exactlyAlso, it's not indicative of an actual event, yeah, but the specific choice of keyblade wielders isn't exactly an accident 

Did you not watch the whole conversation between Mickey and Xehanort? Mickey had a list of potential GOLXehanort pretty much said he had 2 of them from that list (would have been 2 if he got Sora.)Unless he found Ven's body or found Aqua's location, how does that not imply he has Terra?

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because there are two subsets of guardian

the pincesses of heart, and keyblade wielders

Of course, it's all guessing on Mickey's part, and xehanort could be wrong, too

that's the thing

it's unconfirmed

Terra could be a guardian

Kairi could be a guardian

donald could be a guardian

even xion could be a guardian

even the stick in twilight town/KH2 could be a guardian

 

--- In all seriousness, you're right. It's not confirmed but if you want to speculative, Terra should be a GOL if its going by the storyline, even if it's not confirmed. Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Sora, Riku, Mickey, and I believe Kairi are all GOL's.

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If memory serves me right, Terra still has his own will and continues to fight Xehanort. If you remember the beginning of the extra episode in BBS, Xehanort and Terra are discussing something and Eraqus seems to be alive in spirit somewhere with Terra. He hasn't lost all his will and has a chance to escape.

that's the thing, the mind isn't really the same in KH lore. All you REALLY need is a heart, as evidenced by Terra still being himself during the ending of BBS

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If memory serves me right, Terra still has his own will and continues to fight Xehanort. If you remember the beginning of the extra episode in BBS, Xehanort and Terra are discussing something and Eraqus seems to be alive in spirit somewhere with Terra. He hasn't lost all his will and has a chance to escape.

That was BBS.. nearly 14 years ago in terms of KH years. MX has much more control over Terra, look at Terranort (the scientist) he has MX skin color, motives, his keyblade. Obviously MX took over.

 

 

Did you not watch the whole conversation between Mickey and Xehanort?

 

Mickey had a list of potential GOL

 

Xehanort pretty much said he had 2 of them from that list (would have been 2 if he got Sora.)

 

Unless he found Ven's body or found Aqua's location, how does that not imply he has Terra?

Backing me up there man :)

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even the stick in twilight town/KH2 could be a guardian

 

--- In all seriousness, you're right. It's not confirmed but if you want to speculative, Terra should be a GOL if its going by the storyline, even if it's not confirmed. Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Sora, Riku, Mickey, and I believe Kairi are all GOL's.

Terra will have to be significant in some way, he promised to make things right at the end of BBS, so that's what's going to happen. Everyone's right, Terra will be saved late, but... the clash of the 13 and 7 will happen at the end of the game, unless there's some twist, so that's not really a big deal

 

That was BBS.. nearly 14 years ago in terms of KH years. MX has much more control over Terra, look at Terranort (the scientist) he has MX skin color, motives, his keyblade. Obviously MX took over.

pure fanfic

there's nothing to suggest Xehanort has more control after 14 years compared to the complete control he had before

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That was BBS.. nearly 14 years ago in terms of KH years. MX has much more control over Terra, look at Terranort (the scientist) he has MX skin color, motives, his keyblade. Obviously MX took over.

Terra isn't necessarily weak. He has his friends to stick by him throughout his journey, so he can continue to battle inside preventing Xehanort from 100% taking over his body. If you go by the way Nomura has presented the series plot development yourself, you could look at it and see hes still battling it out.

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I genuinely don't get this. When MX was talking to Riku and Mickey in KH3D this is what was said

Mickey: As for Keyblade wielders there's me, riku and Sora and my 3 missing friends(TAV obviously)

MX:But Sora and another on your list belong to me now

Did that 1 line go past your heads? Let's go through this 1 character at a time to see who this 'other' person could be.

King Mickey-Obviously no

Riku-No because he was in the room

Sora-He was already mentioned by Xehanort

Aqua-Possibly, I could see the SOD going into the realm of darkness and finding her and norting her. She was a keyblade master after all and a damn strong one.

Ventus-Unlikely since his heart is in Sora so just a body would be useless. Plus no one knows where he is.

Terra-Well yes. Many youtubers have done videos on this if you've already seen, and it seems very possible,

When a nobody and a heartless are extinguished the person before the split comes back. Terranort wasn't his own person really. He was a mixture of one persons body and 3 hearts (Terra, Eraqus and Xehanort, assuming Eraqus found his way into Terra). It would make sense that MX and Terra come back since they were the original personas of this convoluted mixture. Terra is probably super weak since his body just went through absolute hell (Being used by Terranort, then for Ansem SOD and for Xemnas too) so he wouldn't really be able to defend himself against MX who's been in control this whole time. They probably woke up near each other in the Keyblade Graveyard so it wouldn't be hard for MX to find him. Do not forget his mind is in the lingering will so he probably has no idea what is going on.

 

Terra seems most likely to be a nort. If what i'm saying turns out to be true I don't know how on earth he'll ever be freed, Terra has gone through such complications. I don't want him joining the GOL anyway it'll be too much effort to save him considering the state he is in. MX will just end up turning him into a killing machine. What about you guys?

I totally believe that the Lingering Will contains all of Terra's memories. That would make explain why Terranort was suffering from amnesia in the Final Episode-Terra's heart was resisting Xehanort, which was probably what was blocking Xehanort's memories from Terranort. Without Xehanort's memories, it would make sense for Terranort to fall back on Terra's memories-except he didn't. A plausible explanation would be Terranort couldn't access those memories because Terra's heart didn't have them anymore.

 

Which means they're gonna have to find the Lingering Will, because otherwise they'll have an amnesiac Terra on their hands. Which I'm okay with for a while (amnesiac heroes? One of my faves), but only if he gets those memories BACK, because a Terra who doesn't know who Ven and Aqua are is not a Terra I want to live with.

 

 

Also, my position on whether Terra is a Guardian of Light is...iffy.

 

Like, I get why people think Terra is a Seeker of Darkness. It's the most obvious choice, what with him being possessed by Xehanort in Birth by Sleep. I even thought so when 3D first came out. But then a post release interview came out which changed my opinion completely.

 

In this interview, Nomura said he doesn't like when the answer to a mystery is too obvious. He says when it looks like something is about to happen, he likes to put in a twist so something ELSE happens. Since Terra is the most obvious choice to be a Seeker, there's a really good chance he's NOT (assuming that's true, then Terra's probably stranded somewhere with amnesia, since his mind is in the Keyblade Graveyard, along with his Keyblade-aka, his ride home).

 

Of course, there's also a good chance he IS a Seeker of Darkness. It does make the most sense after all.

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Just a few things I wanted to mention :

 

1- Lingering Will is NOT Terra's soul, it's his very powerful thoughts:

 

What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.
 
2- DDD opening is not canon to who the GoL are. Nomura confirmed
 
3- Mickey was basically guessing the list but it's not confirmed. Even Nomura said they aren't confirmed.
 
4- As of right now- just like MX said- he has Terra in his possession. ( I have diff theories on this but that's a diff thread)  So he would need rescued first to be a GoL. Is this possible? Most certainly.
 
5. It really could go either way depending on if they can save Terra early enough in the game since the battle won't start until the 'fated' 13 vs 7 are gathered. 
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But remember Sora is going to save him it's his destiny, they've been saying that for 3 games, so he'll be the last GoL to join after they save him, probably with help from Riku since they have the power to enter hearts now. And Ven would actually be the perfect vessel, if they could find him, because without a heart already inhabiting the body Xehanort wouldn't have to fight anyone for control.

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I'm going to make a topic on how i think certain characters would die, because by accident i just came up with those scenarios whilst I was formulating this response.

Terra would be a good SOD or a good GOL. But I'm just saying in summary I don't think it's likely because of what MX said and the circumstances. I could be wrong. It could be Aqua or Ventus or even Riku as a double agent, but to me Terra is the most likely out of those 6 King Mickey mentioned.

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I'm going to make a topic on how i think certain characters would die, because by accident i just came up with those scenarios whilst I was formulating this response.

Terra would be a good SOD or a good GOL. But I'm just saying in summary I don't think it's likely because of what MX said and the circumstances. I could be wrong. It could be Aqua or Ventus or even Riku as a double agent, but to me Terra is the most likely out of those 6 King Mickey mentioned.

Hmm.. Personally I don't believe any characters will die. Dying is something Disney can take violently and won't accept it. If anything, you mean 'vanish'. :P

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