The Most Common KH Misconception You Encounter

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

One that I always think about is that people say Kairi doesn't really have any power and is useless, when we can clearly see that she does have potential power because she brought Sora's heart back from the darkness. Kairi just needs to be properly trained to tap in her PoH powers and I think she'll really surprise us in the future.

Exactly, just  look at her in Kingdom Hearts 2. When she has the chance to see Sora again, she takes that chance and goes into the portal of darkness without hesitation. Also, when she's finally given a weapon, she doesn't flail around with it or fall over. She attacks the enemy head on and slays Heartless immediately.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

One that I always think about is that people say Kairi doesn't really have any power and is useless, when we can clearly see that she does have potential power because she brought Sora's heart back from the darkness. Kairi just needs to be properly trained to tap in her PoH powers and I think she'll really surprise us in the future.

 

Exactly, just  look at her in Kingdom Hearts 2. When she has the chance to see Sora again, she takes that chance and goes into the portal of darkness without hesitation. Also, when she's finally given a weapon, she doesn't flail around with it or fall over. She attacks the enemy head on and slays Heartless immediately.

 

 

Well I don't think that those people understood that bc of Kairi's help Sora was able to go on and save the world multiple times

[hatok 6,413]

--It's a kids' game (and I'm like, "No, come on!  Get past the Disney characters!  You're missing out!"

It IS a kid's game

there's notihng wrong with that, but that's what it is

[Elast0 147]

It IS a kid's game

there's notihng wrong with that, but that's what it is

Yeah, it kind of is but the overall story is geared towards more mature people.

[hatok 6,413]

Yeah, it kind of is but the overall story is geared towards more mature people.

it's geared squarely towards teens and tweens

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

It IS a kid's game

there's notihng wrong with that, but that's what it is

 

Yeah, it kind of is but the overall story is geared towards more mature people.

Hmm, I see your guys' point.  I kind of agree with Elast, however.  While Kingdom Hearts is geared toward a younger audience, I cannot say it was designed for kids aged 7-9 and excluding 12-18 year olds.  The plot is too detailed and intricate for very young audiences.  I think Kingdom Hearts is really a family game meant for all ages, not especially for kids.

[hatok 6,413]

Hmm, I see your guys' point.  I kind of agree with Elast, however.  While Kingdom Hearts is geared toward a younger audience, I cannot say it was designed for kids aged 7-9 and excluding 12-18 year olds.  The plot is too detailed and intricate for very young audiences.  I think Kingdom Hearts is really a family game meant for all ages, not especially for kids.

one

12-18 is still kids

two

KH isn't complex, it's complicated. Which is exactly why it's aimed at kids

I dunno about whatever generation you grew up in, but as a kid, Yu Gi Oh! was all the rage. I played it all the time with my friends,  but a lot of adults or just generally older people couldn't grasp it at all, because it was convoluted and not intuitive.

That's Kingdom Hearts

KH has no detailed or complicated individual parts, it just has a lot of parts. There's absolutely nothing hard to understand in the entire thing, there's just a lot of info to process, which makes it seem monolithic to outsiders

I got into KH around... 2008, which makes me 13 at the time, and I had a harder time grappling with the camera controls than the plot. 

Now obviously there's issues when you get into really young kids, but that's because really young kids haven't developed the proper motor skills to play a video game with advanced controls. My six year old niece can barely reach both analog sticks, never mind think to use them in conjunction.

 

...tldr KH is for kids

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

one

12-18 is still kids

two

KH isn't complex, it's complicated. Which is exactly why it's aimed at kids

I dunno about whatever generation you grew up in, but as a kid, Yu Gi Oh! was all the rage. I played it all the time with my friends,  but a lot of adults or just generally older people couldn't grasp it at all, because it was convoluted and not intuitive.

That's Kingdom Hearts

KH has no detailed or complicated individual parts, it just has a lot of parts. There's absolutely nothing hard to understand in the entire thing, there's just a lot of info to process, which makes it seem monolithic to outsiders

I got into KH around... 2008, which makes me 13 at the time, and I had a harder time grappling with the camera controls than the plot. 

Now obviously there's issues when you get into really young kids, but that's because really young kids haven't developed the proper motor skills to play a video game with advanced controls. My six year old niece can barely reach both analog sticks, never mind think to use them in conjunction.

 

...tldr KH is for kids

I see your points, but I still favor that it is a family game not geared solely for kids.  It would also depend on your view of what is a kid as well.  When I hear the word "kid" I immediately think a 6-10  year-old, with younger adolescents and young adults being anywhere from 12-18.  Again, it depends on your perspective and we don't have to agree, but Kingdom Hearts is geared toward so many ages with some things, I feel, would go over a kid's head when a teenager would get it.  For instance I was 20 and a little boy was six who played the game.  I had to explain a lot of the story to him because it didn't make sense, but it made perfect sense to me.  So, unfortunately, I feel I must refute your argument pertaining to the complexity being something kids grasp and adults don't.

 

Regarding Yu-Gi-Oh!, I grew up on the series as well (well, sort of.  I think I was fourteen or fifteen when it came out), and I think the reason adults have a hard time getting into it is because they have no interest to.  I mean, most adults I know roll their eyes at the concept of Yu-Gi-Oh, yet love other trading card games and play them with as much--if not more--complexity.

 

All-in-all, I think it's a matter of perspective and mindset.  Again, though, we don't have to agree. : )  This is just how I view it.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Mystics Apprentice

[hatok 6,413]

I see your points, but I still favor that it is a family game not geared solely for kids.  It would also depend on your view of what is a kid as well.  When I hear the word "kid" I immediately think a 6-10  year-old, with younger adolescents and young adults being anywhere from 12-18.  Again, it depends on your perspective and we don't have to agree, but Kingdom Hearts is geared toward so many ages with some things, I feel, would go over a kid's head when a teenager would get it.  For instance I was 20 and a little boy was six who played the game.  I had to explain a lot of the story to him because it didn't make sense, but it made perfect sense to me.  So, unfortunately, I feel I must refute your argument pertaining to the complexity being something kids grasp and adults don't.

 

Regarding Yu-Gi-Oh!, I grew up on the series as well (well, sort of.  I think I was fourteen or fifteen when it came out), and I think the reason adults have a hard time getting into it is because they have no interest to.  I mean, most adults I know roll their eyes at the concept of Yu-Gi-Oh, yet love other trading card games and play them with as much--if not more--complexity.

 

All-in-all, I think it's a matter of perspective and mindset.  Again, though, we don't have to agree. : )  This is just how I view it.

KH is rated E10

it's aimed at kids ten and up

a game with a rating is rarely interested in appealing to everyone, if it it it'd be rated E

[Uniphication 38]

I have a few.

 

A lot of people think Vanitas is Sora. Just because he looks like him. *Insert facepalm.*

A lot of people also think Roxas is Ventus. Because he looks like him. *Insert facepalm.*

 

How people automatically think these things and how it sticks with them even after explanations in the game of who they really are, it still baffles me that people think this.

[Jermaine 79]

Some people think KH2 is better than KH1

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

 

Some people think KH2 is better than KH1

How is that a misconception? I personally think that KH2 is better than KH1, both in gameplay and in story. But hey, that's just my opinion.

 

 

It IS a kid's game

there's notihng wrong with that, but that's what it is

 

Yeah, it kind of is but the overall story is geared towards more mature people.

When it comes to this scenario, I like to think that Kingdom Hearts started as a kid's game but the series grew up along with its fans.

[outbackjim21 83]

I had edited my previous post to add some but I'm sure you missed it .Plus I'll add a few more : Other misconceptions- that Roxas wielded Xion's keyblade as his second one. Hers was merely a replica. Her death awakened the ability in Roxas to use Ven's.  it was a replica in the beginning, but its not out of the question that she could have gained a true one We have yet to see the real KH -- all previous ones were manufactured or incomplete. im pretty sure the kingdom hearts that was summoned in BBS was the real one, xehanort just had an incomplete x-blade that was incapable of unlocking it,  The voice in KH1 is Mickey NOT Ven. Lingering Will is NOT Terra's soul...The soul never leaves the body or you are dead. It's the body's life force.  that one is also up for debate, seeing as the soul is synonymous with the mind. Nomura has given hardly any information as to how the lingering will was created or its purpose, it just is. So it could be one of those exceptions to the rule, like how it can wield a keyblade on a master level without a heartThe spot Riku and Sora arrived in the end of KH2 was not the same place as Aqua and Ansem : What can be called the dark coastline seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, Sora and Riku were on the coast on the in-between side and were looking at the sea of the realm of darkness. The door visible in the dark sea is a scene that symbolizes "Deep within the darkness, there is light", as Sora said in the previous KH. Terra DIDN'T steal Aurora's heart : He was just tricked into thinking so. It was MX and Maleficent. It wasn't Terra's darkness manifested in his MoM. He was framed by Xehanort so Eraqus would fail him.  There's prolly more but these are off the top of my head.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

 

I had edited my previous post to add some but I'm sure you missed it .Plus I'll add a few more :

 

Other misconceptions- that Roxas wielded Xion's keyblade as his second one. Hers was merely a replica. Her death awakened the ability in Roxas to use Ven's.

  it was a replica in the beginning, but its not out of the question that she could have gained a true one

Actually Nomura himself called it an imitation in interviews after the fact so save the BS. Not to mention Nomura has also confirmed Roxas' second keyblade was Ven's. Really?

4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’s Keyblades.



 Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus’s as well as
 his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days, Roxas
 awakened his ability to dual-wield after fighting Xion. In KHII, once
 Sora absorbed Roxas, he could also dual-wield. Roxas awoke his ability to dual-wield through his will to not forget Xion, who also wielded a Keyblade.

 

Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn’t think that she was Sora or Kairi’s Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion’s, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn’t really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody

 

 

We have yet to see the real KH -- all previous ones were manufactured or incomplete.

im pretty sure the kingdom hearts that was summoned in BBS was the real one, xehanort just had an incomplete x-blade that was incapable of unlocking it,

Why did you not read the incomplete part of that sentence? All we know was that it was incompete and Nomura has also said we have yet to see it.

 

The voice in KH1 is Mickey NOT Ven.

 

Lingering Will is NOT Terra's soul...The soul never leaves the body or you are dead. It's the body's life force.

  that one is also up for debate, seeing as the soul is synonymous with the mind. Nomura has given hardly any information as to how the lingering will was created or its purpose, it just is. So it could be one of those exceptions to the rule, like how it can wield a keyblade on a master level without a heart

 

No he literally has said :

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

The mind and memories are synonymous with the heart in this series. It's NEVER said that about the soul. Nomura has given a definition of Lingering Will and it's not his soul. If it was his soul Xemnas wouldn't exist.Since Xemnas is his body and soul . 

 

 

13: What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

 

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[outbackjim21 83]

 

 

I had edited my previous post to add some but I'm sure you missed it .Plus I'll add a few more :

 

Other misconceptions- that Roxas wielded Xion's keyblade as his second one. Hers was merely a replica. Her death awakened the ability in Roxas to use Ven's.

  it was a replica in the beginning, but its not out of the question that she could have gained a true one

Actually Nomura himself called it an imitation in interviews after the fact so save the BS. Not to mention Nomura has also confirmed Roxas' second keyblade was Ven's. Really?

4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’s Keyblades.



 Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus’s as well as
 his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days, Roxas
 awakened his ability to dual-wield after fighting Xion. In KHII, once
 Sora absorbed Roxas, he could also dual-wield. Roxas awoke his ability to dual-wield through his will to not forget Xion, who also wielded a Keyblade.

 

Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn’t think that she was Sora or Kairi’s Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion’s, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn’t really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody[/size]

 

 

We have yet to see the real KH -- all previous ones were manufactured or incomplete.im pretty sure the kingdom hearts that was summoned in BBS was the real one, xehanort just had an incomplete x-blade that was incapable of unlocking it,

Why did you not read the incomplete part of that sentence? All we know was that it was incompete and Nomura has also said we have yet to see it. 

The voice in KH1 is Mickey NOT Ven.

 

Lingering Will is NOT Terra's soul...The soul never leaves the body or you are dead. It's the body's life force.

  that one is also up for debate, seeing as the soul is synonymous with the mind. Nomura has given hardly any information as to how the lingering will was created or its purpose, it just is. So it could be one of those exceptions to the rule, like how it can wield a keyblade on a master level without a heart

 

No he literally has said :

What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?[/size]Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it[/size].[/size]

 

 

The mind and memories are synonymous with the heart in this series.It's NEVER said that about the soul. Nomura has given a definition of Lingering Will and it's not his  soul. If it was his soul Xemnas wouldn't exist.Since Xemnas is his body and soul . [/size]

 

 

 

13: What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?[/size]A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.[/size]

I didnt say anything about roxas wielding xion's keyblade, i simply stated that along the way towards the ending of 358 she could have gained a true keyblade.

 

And i did read the incomplete, but xehanort summoned that kingdom hearts long before ven and vanitas even fused, so its not like that incomplete x-blade summoned kingdom hearts

 

You're putting the words memories and mind together when that isnt necessarily the case. Both xigbar and xehanort have used the words mind and heart independently of one another so they can't be the same thing, when xehanort was talking to terra in their heart struggle and was referring to the three fundamental concepts that make a somebody, he stated heart, body, and MIND and that quote from nomura uses the word "thoughts" that can be seen as a present progressive version of thinking, last i checked, memories are simply past experiences, whereas thinking comes directly from the mind/soul, but thats a more realistic way of thinking when it comes to thought processes in kingdom hearts.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I didnt say anything about roxas wielding xion's keyblade, i simply stated that along the way towards the ending of 358 she could have gained a true keyblade.

 

The point of my post was that Roxas' second keyblade was Ven's. The moon COULD be made of cheese but that doesn't mean it is. She was stated to wield an imitation and unless it's said otherwise it will still be an imitation.If Nomura later wants to retcon that and say she could eventually have her own real one one day, so be it. (When and if that ever happens)  It doesn't really change the point i was making regardless.

 

And i did read the incomplete, but xehanort summoned that kingdom hearts long before ven and vanitas even fused, so its not like that incomplete x-blade summoned kingdom hearts

 

Nomura has said himself that we have yet to see it.Take it as it is as to what that means about that KH. Even MX said the real one was never seen again after the keyblade war IN GAME

 

 

You're putting the words memories and mind together when that isnt necessarily the case. Both xigbar and xehanort have used the words mind and heart independently of one another so they can't be the same thing, when xehanort was talking to terra in their heart struggle and was referring to the three fundamental concepts that make a somebody, he stated heart, body, and MIND and that quote from nomura uses the word "thoughts" that can be seen as a present progressive version of thinking, last i checked, memories are simply past experiences, whereas thinking comes directly from the mind/soul, but thats a more realistic way of thinking when it comes to thought processes in kingdom hearts.

 

Nomuras words and definitions = canon. Show me an interview where Nomura says a soul = mind. You can't. There is a given definition.  Did he say that LW was Terra's soul? NO. He specifically says thoughts. Also that conversation with Terra and MX  you are talking about did NOT say that. He was saying how his heart remained there confounded his mind. Matter of fact it was their two hearts talking to each other backing this up even further. The very definition of a nobody is the leftover body and soul after the heart departs. Terra's soul was in Xemnas aka his physical body This goes back to that one theory you have of Xehanort using the soul to take over peoples bodies when it has already been proven and said it's his heart he's using. Just stahp. 

Edited June 2, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[Cricket 1,180]

 

I had edited my previous post to add some but I'm sure you missed it .Plus I'll add a few more :

 

Other misconceptions- that Roxas wielded Xion's keyblade as his second one. Hers was merely a replica. Her death awakened the ability in Roxas to use Ven's.

  it was a replica in the beginning, but its not out of the question that she could have gained a true one

Flaming Lea is not arguing that Xion could have gained one, but stated that Xion's Keyblade was an imitation in the first place; no where in Flaming Lea's post did she say that Xion couldn't have gained her own Keyblade, but the one she solely wielded was indeed an imitation of Roxas's. Nomura can go back one day and say Xion was capable of wielding and claiming one of her own, but we have only seen her with the imitation and that is what we were left with at this point.  

 

We have yet to see the real KH -- all previous ones were manufactured or incomplete.

im pretty sure the kingdom hearts that was summoned in BBS was the real one, xehanort just had an incomplete x-blade that was incapable of unlocking it,

 

As Nomura has stated in his interviews, the real Kingdom Hearts has not been seen. The ones we have witnessed are the incomplete or manufactured ones; I'm pretty sure no one could just summon the real Kingdom Hearts on a whim. This would cause many people abusing the real Kingdom Hearts if that were the case. 

 

The voice in KH1 is Mickey NOT Ven.

 

Lingering Will is NOT Terra's soul...The soul never leaves the body or you are dead. It's the body's life force.

  that one is also up for debate, seeing as the soul is synonymous with the mind. Nomura has given hardly any information as to how the lingering will was created or its purpose, it just is. So it could be one of those exceptions to the rule, like how it can wield a keyblade on a master level without a heart

 

The reason why Lingering Will was able to function was basically because of thoughts and the strength to fulfill his promise to Ven and Aqua. The thoughts of Ven and Aqua fueled him and anchored his existence to the present because his thoughts/will were anchored to the past, present, and future to keep his promise to save them. We have not really touched about thoughts in KH yet, but I think LW is an example of this. Yes, his mind is also a key point in this, but the mind is more of an identification of the body, while the thoughts is mostly dealt with lingering emotions, wants, wills, etc.

 

The spot Riku and Sora arrived in the end of KH2 was not the same place as Aqua and Ansem :

 

What can be called the dark coastline seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, Sora and Riku were on the coast on the in-between side and were looking at the sea of the realm of darkness. The door visible in the dark sea is a scene that symbolizes "Deep within the darkness, there is light", as Sora said in the previous KH.

 

Terra DIDN'T steal Aurora's heart : He was just tricked into thinking so. It was MX and Maleficent.

 

It wasn't Terra's darkness manifested in his MoM. He was framed by Xehanort so Eraqus would fail him.

 

 

There's prolly more but these are off the top of my head.

 

 

 

I didnt say anything about roxas wielding xion's keyblade, i simply stated that along the way towards the ending of 358 she could have gained a true keyblade.

 

You've already established this and in no way did Flaming Lea say that Xion could not have gained her own, true Keyblade. Also, to know about the replicas and who wields what or where/who the Keyblade originated from if you wish to understand the connection with Ven, Sora, Roxas, and Xion. 

 

And i did read the incomplete, but xehanort summoned that kingdom hearts long before ven and vanitas even fused, so its not like that incomplete x-blade summoned kingdom hearts.

 

Like I stated above, if anyone were to just summon the real Kingdom Hearts on a whim, then we would have a big problem in the Kingdom Hearts universe/series. So, the ones we have seen have been proven by Nomura to be artificial.

You're putting the words memories and mind together when that isnt necessarily the case. Both xigbar and xehanort have used the words mind and heart independently of one another so they can't be the same thing, when xehanort was talking to terra in their heart struggle and was referring to the three fundamental concepts that make a somebody, he stated heart, body, and MIND and that quote from nomura uses the word "thoughts" that can be seen as a present progressive version of thinking, last i checked, memories are simply past experiences, whereas thinking comes directly from the mind/soul, but thats a more realistic way of thinking when it comes to thought processes in kingdom hearts.

 

Master Xehanort cannot touch the soul; he is only able to manipulate hearts. It is seen that Terra was able to keep his soul intact at the end of BBS when MX and Terra were discussing things in limbo or whatever or in Terra's body. Also, if MX could manipulate the soul, a lot of people would be lying around lifeless and chilling; like Org. XIII, etc. 

Edited June 2, 2015 by Cricket

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

 

  it was a replica in the beginning, but its not out of the question that she could have gained a true one

 

im pretty sure the kingdom hearts that was summoned in BBS was the real one, xehanort just had an incomplete x-blade that was incapable of unlocking it,

 

 

  that one is also up for debate, seeing as the soul is synonymous with the mind. Nomura has given hardly any information as to how the lingering will was created or its purpose, it just is. So it could be one of those exceptions to the rule, like how it can wield a keyblade on a master level without a heart

 

 

 

 

 

She just told you exactly Nomura's explanation thoughts took control of of his armor allowing Terra to further resist Xehanort.

 

What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

 

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

 

 

Terra's desire to stop Xehanort was so powerful that it literally took control of his armor. Nowhere does it ever discuss it being his soul was in control.n.

 

Also Master Xehanort Straight up says in game that the true Kingdom Hearts has never been seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didnt say anything about roxas wielding xion's keyblade, i simply stated that along the way towards the ending of 358 she could have gained a true keyblade.

 

And i did read the incomplete, but xehanort summoned that kingdom hearts long before ven and vanitas even fused, so its not like that incomplete x-blade summoned kingdom hearts

 

You're putting the words memories and mind together when that isnt necessarily the case. Both xigbar and xehanort have used the words mind and heart independently of one another so they can't be the same thing, when xehanort was talking to terra in their heart struggle and was referring to the three fundamental concepts that make a somebody, he stated heart, body, and MIND and that quote from nomura uses the word "thoughts" that can be seen as a present progressive version of thinking, last i checked, memories are simply past experiences, whereas thinking comes directly from the mind/soul, but thats a more realistic way of thinking when it comes to thought processes in kingdom hearts.

 

 

Master Xehanort didn't mention the mind at all  he only stated that the fact that Terra was still there at all boggled his mind. The mind has never been displayed as synonymous with the soul it's always been linked with the the heart and memories.

 

 

 

Xemnas clearly explains the link between the heart and memories and by extension the mind. The memories are experiences that allow one to  produce "feelings". Memories that are parsed with the heart are the key foundations of the identity and the mind is an extension of this identity. This is what the Organization was after they were attempting to rid the body of it's heart and replace it with Xehanort's. The Organization Nobodies that were successful candidates for vessels were the ones who had abandoned their sense of self in favor of the Identity Xemnas had given them.

 

 

Secret Ansem Report 6

My choice to befriend darkness here in the midst of nothingness was a sound one.

The moment I stared straight ahead with a calm heart, neither rejecting darkness nor fearing it, I gained a newfound power.

A superhuman power—the power of darkness.

It is likely Xehanort and the others were enraptured by this power, eventually becoming its prisoners.

I do not intend to allow my heart to be devoured by the darkness, as they did, of course.

With this new power, I uncovered a "corridor of darkness" that connects the realm of nothingness to the outside world. While it is still difficult to come and go as I please, my banishment is now a thing of the past.

To deceive Xehanort and my apprentices, I first used my power to change form before returning to the realm of light.

As I had suspected, Xehanort had become a Heartless.

Under my name, he commanded other Heartless in quests to snatch away the hearts of many different worlds.

At the center of the heart Xehanort has stolen was "Kingdom Hearts," which attracts tremendous darkness to itself and attempts to send any and all matter back into its depths.

The other five have disappeared. Have they become Heartless, like Xehanort?

Or did they vanish after Xehanort exploited them?

I became familiar with an unusual "entity" while pursuing the truth.

It is the soul and body that remain when a being loses its heart.

When a Heartless is born, these entities disappear from the realm of light, to be reborn as entirely new beings in a completely different realm.

 

Secret Ansem's Report 10

Sora went to sleep in order to recover the memories he had lost in Castle Oblivion.

It would take quite some time to bring back all the memories he had created in his lifetime.

But Organization XIII held sway over Castle Oblivion. Sora would need to be kept someplace more secure.

I persuaded Naminé to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for safekeeping.

Naminé.

As I have written before, she is a most unusual being.

Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody.

Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.

I have arrived at a hypothesis.

I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi's hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously.

Naminé emerged as Kairi's Nobody...but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

When a person's heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind give rise to a Nobody.

But what if one willingly releases one's heart from one's body?

Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.

Then there are Kairi and Naminé.

Kairi was exceptional for having had no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel—Sora.

The combination of the two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.

There are matters I must attend to while Sora is sleeping.

A new ally has appeared on the scene: Riku.

 

 

Even Ansem the Wise lays out that it is the body and soul that forms the Nobody.

[Forever 3,550]

"Kingdom Hearts was good, but now it just sucks! All the games made after KH2 are just filler, their not important!!"

 

My face:

 

[VisitJoan 2,713]

The whole side stories thing.

[Shuy 110]

Im sorry, I got lost somewhere. I dont even know who is Sora at this point.

 

Plot twist: Sora is Xehanort

[Smithee 327]

"MX is right about Light and Darkness being out of balance!"

 

IMO, the "tyranny of Light" seems far preferable--no demonic entities, shadowy apocalypses, abusive sorcerers, etc. And isn't the Realm Of Light kind of supposed to be Light-heavy anyway?

 

"Eraqus is a bigoted idiot!"

 

No, he's a desperate extremist who frankly has plenty of good reason to be paranoid against Darkness. And while he does make a... less-than-stellar... judgment call about Ven and Terra, he ultimately goes to make up for it by sending his Light into Terra as a preemptive countermeasure against MX's Darkness.

 

"Terra's Heart gets completely engulfed by MX's!"

 

Really? The Heart of the guy whose sheer emotions were strong enough to create the Lingering Will, combined with the Heart of the biggest Light-worshipper of all time... just falls flat in an anticlimactic fashion to the Heart of some self-serving hypocrite who let himself get corrupted by Darkness by being too arrogant to wear his Armor? CHEEEEEEEEEAP!!!

Edited June 15, 2015 by Alan Smithee

[KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542]

The whole Kairi is useless thing. I would love to strangle the person who said that.