The Norts' chances of survival going into the next saga

[Charles Matthews 24]

I've already talked about this on another KH forums so I wanted to talk about it here. 

 

 

We all know KH3 will be the last game in the Xehanort Saga and all meaning the Xehanort problem will be over and done with which may include the 13 Norts as well but which ones could you see surviving after the Xehanort Saga ends? I'll just go with the known members along with the most likely. 

Master Xehanort- Dead. I just can't see him living past this saga and being the central antagonist of it all, would go when his saga goes as well. May get redemption but that's about it.

Xemnas- Fades back to his time to get off'd.... but that's if he's even time travelling at all since he, along with Ansem may exist "outside of time" aka Realm of Sleep according to Nomura. So they could probably get the Roxas/Xion/Namine treatment and get their "Birth by Sleep" with the Key To Return Hearts.... but he could still die along with MX or not. Idk. Doubt they'll redeem themselves either even if they have separate personalities from MX.

Ansem- ^Same reasons for Xemnas 


Xigbar/Braig- I could see him living tbh. If his secret plans don't get elaborated on in KH3, it could be a reason for him to stick around for the next saga. 

Saix/Isa- Could see him living and definitely redeeming himself. His future plot with Lea is to thank for that. Though he could pull the "sacrifice himself for the greater good" card but.... this is the end of Xehanort saga and I expect the ending to be filled with rainbows and sunshine so Isa will be fine. 

Terra- Definitely living after the final clash especially since he was an unwilling candidate like Isa(possibly). He'll try to redeem himself even though it wasn't really all his fault. 

Vanitas- A 50/50 with this guy really. Could end up living just because or could end up dying because of his status as pure darkness with virtually no redeeming qualities if you don't count the novels. So yeah.... would make a pretty badass Vegeta-like anti hero if they did decide to keep him around. *shrugs* 


Young Xehanort- Fades back to his time, goes about his life after forgetting the events of the future and becoming MX in the end basically creating an infinite time loop so..... he's pretty much stuck unless some Nomura magic ends up diddlying up time travel's rules just for the plot. He doesn't seem as evil as the other Norts barring Terra so... redemption for him isn't entirely out of the question.

Apprentice Xehanort- Basically Terranort yeah but with the amnesia, seems to have developed his own identity separate from Terra/MX. He might be a time traveler too so probably just fades back to his time. 


What are your predictions on their chances of living after the final battles of the Xehanort Saga?

[Forever 3,550]

I personally think that Young Xehanort and Xigbar are going to become traitors.  Braig's been sneaky since BBS, and YN  acts like he has his own agenda. The Lights won't have to do much to shake the morale of the Darknesses, true betrayal is gong to come from within. Just watch!

Edited May 31, 2015 by Caramel Covered Ansem

[Psychic_Ketchup 367]

Pretty much agree with you there. I'd like it if Braig had some future role, and I can see him weasel his way out of trouble. I am pretty sure that Vanitas is not gonna make it, with him being evil incarnate and all. To be an anti-hero, you have to be at least 1% good I think, and Vanitas seems more like a guy who eats puppies for breakfast.

[hatok 6,413]

things have to go exactly as planned in KH3, not only is there some destiny bollocks going on

but it's also the conclusion we're promised, and it can't happen any other way

so no traitors, just lasers

and inevitably lots of defeated norts

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

How about KH3 ends and all the villains die and stay dead and there is no new saga? I'd like a nice conclusive ending instead of a sequel hook for a change. 

[Guest]

I personally think that Young Xehanort and Xigbar are going to become traitors.  Braig's been sneaky since BBS, and YN  acts like he has his own agenda. The Lights won't have to do much to shake the morale of the Darknesses, true betrayal is gong to come from within. Just watch!

Braig makes complete sense but why would Xehanort betray himself?

[KH4Real 749]

I personally think that Young Xehanort and Xigbar are going to become traitors.  Braig's been sneaky since BBS, and YN  acts like he has his own agenda. The Lights won't have to do much to shake the morale of the Darknesses, true betrayal is gong to come from within. Just watch!

You clever little sneak :tongue:. 

[Xeorizar 22]

It would be amazing if the norts did survive, but they came back with good intentions in the next game and help Sora beat the new threat or give him valuable information on the powers of darkness. 

[Komali 594]

I don't believe that Isa will survive. 

Vanitas won't die because he will probably become a good person. I can imagine that in the end his heart will merge with Sora's heart (as a way to deal with the darkness) or Ventus' heart (where he originally came from and where he will find peace).

 

I am pretty sure that Vanitas is not gonna make it, with him being evil incarnate and all. To be an anti-hero, you have to be at least 1% good I think, and Vanitas seems more like a guy who eats puppies for breakfast.

Vanitas is not pure evil, but pure darkness. That's a difference. Xehanort influenced him negatively, but from the very beginning he wasn't evil.

[Psychic_Ketchup 367]

I don't believe that Isa will survive. 

Vanitas won't die because he will probably become a good person. I can imagine that in the end his heart will merge with Sora's heart (as a way to deal with the darkness) or Ventus' heart (where he originally came from and where he will find peace).

 

Vanitas is not pure evil, but pure darkness. That's a difference. Xehanort influenced him negatively, but from the very beginning he wasn't evil.

 

Okay, that's true, but the Unversed - negativity taken shape - flow from him. He may not be pure evil then, but at least he's kind of a downer. And what we have seen from Vanitas does not indicate any good intention whatsoever. He is after all, Master Xehanort's creation, so for someone made of pure darkness to betray his creator (who is also a big fan of darkness himself), it would take one hell of a change of heart.

 

I'm not ruling it out, I'm just saying it's not as likely. 

[Guest]

It would be amazing if the norts did survive, but they came back with good intentions in the next game and help Sora beat the new threat or give him valuable information on the powers of darkness. 

Nope nope nope nope nope soooooooooooooooo much nope, that would completely destroy the reputation of Xehanort being an evil force.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Well, I haven't given much thought to this, since I'm assuming that all the Darknesses will die in Kingdom Hearts III, but I could see Isa possibly surviving...but he's way too neck deep in the darkness, and there's a very slim chance he can be saved. As for Braig, one never knows completely what's inside his head, so he may miraculously make it out of this alive as well!  But, who knows?

[Shimmy 458]

I don't believe that Isa will survive. 

Vanitas won't die because he will probably become a good person. I can imagine that in the end his heart will merge with Sora's heart (as a way to deal with the darkness) or Ventus' heart (where he originally came from and where he will find peace).

 

Vanitas is not pure evil, but pure darkness. That's a difference. Xehanort influenced him negatively, but from the very beginning he wasn't evil.

Vanitas has a chance of survival, more so then some, but less so then Isa I'd personally say. Vanitas's story suggests him to be sort of tragic in a way, but he's never done much to redeem himself, and there has been no proof as of yet that confirms that Vanitas is only the way that he is because of being raised by Xehanort. His status as a kid, being connected to Ventus, and being a fan favorite might help, may lead to him surviving. Agreeing with the poster, I can see him becoming an antihero, I doubt he'll be completely redeemed if ever. 

Isa on the other hand was shown to be a completely regular kid with no malice whatsoever if not a bit snarky. That was the only thing we ever saw/and knew of Isa before he met his fate. Saïx is quite problematic, but it's been confirmed that like Xigbar and Terra, that he has nort-influences, suggesting that he's tragic considering his completely innocent behavior before. We do not know a lot about Isa however, and it's completely possible that he himself chose his fate/ could have had more antagonistic qualities then what was brought to the surface. It's just not incredibly likely considering Kingdom Heart's tendency to make a problematic characters' traits very obvious from the surface. Ex. Riku's bad sides were shown from the get go before falling into darkness. Is it possible Isa is much more antagonistic or problematic then previously shown?  Absolutely. Is it probable? Ehhhhh. As a result, Isa has a higher chance of being 'saved'. But he could still totally die.

Both can survive, both can die. We'll just have to wait and see

[Xeorizar 22]

 

Nope nope nope nope nope soooooooooooooooo much nope, that would completely destroy the reputation of Xehanort being an evil force.

lmao!!! how about a flop then. he helps them only to tear them apart to completely destroy themmm yess he has now regained his badassness or he just plays sora to awaken most greatest darkness... which actually makes sense i wonder if sora will become dark in kh3, if you think about it he has a great light so shouldn't the shadow be even greater owww i cant wait!!!!!

 

 

Okay, that's true, but the Unversed - negativity taken shape - flow from him. He may not be pure evil then, but at least he's kind of a downer. And what we have seen from Vanitas does not indicate any good intention whatsoever. He is after all, Master Xehanort's creation, so for someone made of pure darkness to betray his creator (who is also a big fan of darkness himself), it would take one hell of a change of heart.

 

I'm not ruling it out, I'm just saying it's not as likely.

i think sora will get to him