*Spoilers* Why is Ven's heart still inside Sora?

[keybearer21 6]

Okay, so at the end of Birth by Sleep Ven finds his way to Sora's heart. Sora welcomes Ven's heart inside of him while Ven's body lies in Castle Oblivion. The thing I don't get is, in Kingdom Hearts, when Sora uses the Keyblade of Heart to unlock Kairi's heart as well as his own, how come Ven's heart isn't released in the process? Shouldn't it have gone back to Ventus thus waking him up from his sleep? It perplexes me lol

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

Oh, I'm sure it's just super locked away so nothing can unlock it except his body or something else lacking in sense like that. It's probably another one of those things that wasn't thought out very well when they wrote BBS

[BlankShell 638]

Well, it depends on what gets done WITH the heart; in Sora's case, he let Kairi's go, while his own was corrupted and turned into a Shadow. Xehanort threw his heart at someone else. So there's no one thing that has to happen, so presumably Ven's heart just stuck around for the ride.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Kairi's heart wasn't asleep and was just seeking refuge. Ven's heart was still asleep/damaged and still needing that refuge to heal. 

[Aru Akise 2,540]

  On 5/21/2015 at 4:40 PM, HeyMouseSayCheese said:

Oh, I'm sure it's just super locked away so nothing can unlock it except his body or something else lacking in sense like that. It's probably another one of those things that wasn't thought out very well when they wrote BBS

I like this.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 5/21/2015 at 4:40 PM, HeyMouseSayCheese said:

Oh, I'm sure it's just super locked away so nothing can unlock it except his body or something else lacking in sense like that. It's probably another one of those things that wasn't thought out very well when they wrote BBS

 

 

I think they kinda leave clues how his heart will return in scenes like this:

 

 

 

 

Maybe all his friends unite around his body once Aqua leads them to it and his heart voluntarily returns? Especially bc we see signs his heart is awakening like in DDD and also even Roxas awakening Ven's keyblade in Days

Edited May 21, 2015 by Flaming Lea

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

  On 5/21/2015 at 4:45 PM, Flaming Lea said:

Kairi's heart wasn't asleep and was just seeking refuge. Ven's heart was still asleep/damaged and still needing that refuge to heal. 

Didn't Ventus' heart move on to Roxas when Roxas was born, or is that just a misconception?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 5/21/2015 at 5:47 PM, Master Eraqus said:

Didn't Ventus' heart move on to Roxas when Roxas was born, or is that just a misconception?

It didn't move. It stayed where it already was - Sora's physical body aka Roxas

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Ven's heart still wasn't strong enough to return to him so it stayed with Sora's body. I mean, Ven's heart didn't even start to wake up until the end of Days

[animemylove 439]

  On 5/21/2015 at 5:47 PM, Master Eraqus said:

Didn't Ventus' heart move on to Roxas when Roxas was born, or is that just a misconception?

 

Yea, I still think Ven's heart stayed in Sora's body and that's why Roxas looks like Ven and could use the keyblade .. but who knows.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

Yeah, there are different rules for damaged hearts.

[Ninkoro 123]

It was released into Roxas, that's why Roxas' keyblade is Ven's key.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 5/21/2015 at 11:44 PM, Ninkoro said:

It was released into Roxas, that's why Roxas' keyblade is Ven's key.

Little clarification, Roxas Keyblade is Sora's Keyblade, he doesn't get access to Ven's until he destroys Xion, because her death is what woke up Ven's heart.

[Dave 5,715]

Well, it could make the journey from Sora's body to Ven's, but that's a long way, and it just doesn't have the heart to do it.

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

  On 5/21/2015 at 11:55 PM, Dave said:

Well, it could make the journey from Sora's body to Ven's, but that's a long way, and it just doesn't have the heart to do it.

 

BA-DUM-PSSH

[Ninkoro 123]

  On 5/21/2015 at 11:47 PM, Isamu_Kuno said:

Little clarification, Roxas Keyblade is Sora's Keyblade, he doesn't get access to Ven's until he destroys Xion, because her death is what woke up Ven's heart.

Nah, see that's what everyone says, but I argue differently. How can Sora wield is key in COM while roxas is fighting with it in days? i believe That Roxy boy here has vens key from the start, and xion starts with that sham key. After accumulating memories, she is able to call Sora's key. Then, ROxas dual wielding is a symbolization of Ven and sora's hearts becoming closer, and able to share their keys with each other.

 

But that's a theory for a different thread

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 5/23/2015 at 2:13 AM, Ninkoro said:

Nah, see that's what everyone says, but I argue differently. How can Sora wield is key in COM while roxas is fighting with it in days? i believe That Roxy boy here has vens key from the start, and xion starts with that sham key. After accumulating memories, she is able to call Sora's key. Then, ROxas dual wielding is a symbolization of Ven and sora's hearts becoming closer, and able to share their keys with each other.

 

But that's a theory for a different thread

   You can't argue with Nomura's own words. This isn't a theory - it's a proven fact. You are indeed wrong :

 

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

 

4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’s Keyblades.



 Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus’s as well as
 his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days, Roxas
 awakened his ability to dual-wield after fighting Xion. In KHII, once
 Sora absorbed Roxas, he could also dual-wield. Roxas awoke his ability to dual-wield through his will to not forget Xion, who also wielded a Keyblade.

 

 

 

Xion never wielded a real keyblade- she just had a fake copy - an imitation that drew it's power from Roxas (and Sora). She spent the entire game sharing power with Roxas. She was syphoning power from Roxas who got his power from Sora

 

- In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion’s?

 

Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can’t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort’s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts I secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You’ll just have to ask me then.

 

 

Why does Xion become able to use the Keyblade again on day 96?

 

 

Nomura: This was less due to her doing missions together with Roxas every day, and more due to using his Keyblade. She was able to once again copy his power. At this moment, the two of them were perfectly in balance.

 

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 5/23/2015 at 2:55 AM, Flaming Lea said:

 

   You can't argue with Nomura's own words. This isn't a theory - it's a proven fact. You are indeed wrong :

 

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

 

4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’s Keyblades.



 Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus’s as well as
 his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days, Roxas
 awakened his ability to dual-wield after fighting Xion. In KHII, once
 Sora absorbed Roxas, he could also dual-wield. Roxas awoke his ability to dual-wield through his will to not forget Xion, who also wielded a Keyblade.

 

 

 

Xion never wielded a real keyblade- she just had a fake copy - an imitation that drew it's power from Roxas (and Sora). She spent the entire game sharing power with Roxas. She was syphoning power from Roxas who got his power from Sora

 

- In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion’s?

 

Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can’t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort’s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts I secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You’ll just have to ask me then.

 

 

Why does Xion become able to use the Keyblade again on day 96?

 

 

Nomura: This was less due to her doing missions together with Roxas every day, and more due to using his Keyblade. She was able to once again copy his power. At this moment, the two of them were perfectly in balance.

 

 

Thank you lea, i also remember Nomura saying Sora's Keyblade was existing in two places at the same time, correct?

Edited May 23, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

  On 5/23/2015 at 4:15 AM, Isamu_Kuno said:

Thank you lea, i also remember Nomura saying Sora's Keyblade was existing in two places at the same time, correct?

 You are welcome and yes it's stated in the first part of the interview I posted above.