(THEORY) Where could the Norts have gone after 3D? And Terra chillin in Radiant Garden?

[Charles Matthews 24]

When I mean the Norts. I mean the ones who didn't time travel like Master Xehanort, Braig/Xigbar, and Isa/Saix. I could assume MX probably went back to Keyblade Graveyard since it seemed like his hideout in BBS or where he spent the most time talking to himself like what every senile old man would do jk.   But what about Braig and Isa? Where could they have gone? Back to Radiant Garden? Or... maybe somewhere else. Goofy did say Lea rushed back to Radiant Garden in a hurry which has to do with a topic I'll post about in a couple of days. So maybe Braig and Isa went back there

 

And as for Terranort or simply Terra, we know that MX and Terra are now most likely separate beings now thanks to the recompletion and as Ienzo said, when the Heartless and Nobody are slain, the original person is recompleted and said recompletion occurs in the place where the split happened in the first place. Which is why we saw Lea, Dilain, Even, Aeleus, Ienzo, and even Braig and Isa being recompleted in Radiant Garden as that's where they all became Heartless and Nobodies the KH 2.5 secret ending showed us. Terra should be no different and it may be the case as Braig and YX implied in the Secret Ending with the whole "Lord Xemnas is nowhere to be seen" comment  meaning he must have awakened first and left somewhere or YX just picked him up first before picking up Braig and Isa or both scenarios really since it was implied either way Terra was in the gathering room with the other Norts going by MX's comments.

 

So with the whole scenario with 3D over with, could Terra have been cast back to Radiant Garden along with Braig and Isa? Maybe he's chillin with Leon's gang for all we know. Not like they know he's got MX' and Xemnas' hypothetical heart inside him jk

 

KH3 will obviously reveal where they went but just a little thought on where Terra, Braig and Isa might have went after the 3D meeting since they're the only known Norts who didn't Time Travel excluding Master Xehanort.

Edited May 11, 2015 by Charles Matthews

[Forever 3,550]

They all went to my house. >: 3

Edited May 11, 2015 by Caramel Covered Ansem

[Charles Matthews 24]

^Well bring them back dammit. You're being a hog </3 

Edited May 11, 2015 by Charles Matthews

[Nweintraub 630]

He's right. You can't own people. It's selfish beyond can't figure out a good word.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Nweintraub

[Adam Pope 3]

Actually, Terra is still possessed. The white haired Terra is the real Xehanort. He then turned into a heartless called Ansem. So when he got recompleted, shouldn't it have brought back the original white haired Terranort? I mean, that's the form that became a heartless, right? Yet somehow we saw the old aged Leonard Nimoy (R.I.P. LLAP) Xehanort appear. 

Either I'm confused, or Terra got wiped from existence during the recompletion.

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

Master Xehanort said they have to return from whence they came, since neither the union of light and darkness has been achieved.

So I guess they return to their own time?

And that whole talk from Young Xehanort about "you can't rewrite the destinies that is bound to happen"?

So I guess that means, "time" is flowing and Xehanort is following that path that is etched in his heart. 

[Charles Matthews 24]

Actually, Terra is still possessed. The white haired Terra is the real Xehanort. He then turned into a heartless called Ansem. So when he got recompleted, shouldn't it have brought back the original white haired Terranort? I mean, that's the form that became a heartless, right? Yet somehow we saw the old aged Leonard Nimoy (R.I.P. LLAP) Xehanort appear. 

Either I'm confused, or Terra got wiped from existence during the recompletion.

 

The White Haired Xehanort IS Terra. Or more like Terra's body infected by Xehanort. The real Xehanort is the old coot we see in BBS and the one we see recompleted in 3D.  Why the recompletion had MX return instead of Terranort isn't really known but there are solid implications that the recompletion simply "reset" the whole Terra/MX biz and have them both come back as separate beings due to Ansem aka Terra/MX's fused heart probably got separated due to the recompletion but MX's heart went back to his original body, which has been inactive for more than a decade so it's probably why it took some time for him to fully revive. 

 

Terra's heart could have simply went back to his body but upon returning, he got a "surprise" from Xemnas's new heart. Instant Nortifcation! It's just theories but I'm just going by what we saw from the 3D ending with MX, Braig and YX's own words about Xemnas/Terranort not being in RG  while clearly separating him from Master Xehanort under the same sentence as if they knew MX would return as a complete person aka his heart in his original body.

 

So what I'm basically saying is as Master Xehanort was recompleted at TWTNW, Terra/Terranort should have been recompleted at RG as that's where he lost his heart and body again. 

[Movies798 1,358]

Actually, Terra is still possessed. The white haired Terra is the real Xehanort. He then turned into a heartless called Ansem. So when he got recompleted, shouldn't it have brought back the original white haired Terranort? I mean, that's the form that became a heartless, right? Yet somehow we saw the old aged Leonard Nimoy (R.I.P. LLAP) Xehanort appear. 

Either I'm confused, or Terra got wiped from existence during the recompletion.

No Terra is not wiped from existence. Terra's location is clearly unknown as this point. In the end of Dream Drop Distance Master Xehanort said "But Sora and another one on your list belong to me now." So apparently Master Xehanort is still controlling Terra and only he knows where his location is. Also Master Xehanort(the very old man) is the real Xehanort because that's his original form, Terra-Xehanort is just one of his thirteen forms.

[Jermaine 79]

Actually, Terra is still possessed. The white haired Terra is the real Xehanort. He then turned into a heartless called Ansem. So when he got recompleted, shouldn't it have brought back the original white haired Terranort? I mean, that's the form that became a heartless, right? Yet somehow we saw the old aged Leonard Nimoy (R.I.P. LLAP) Xehanort appear. 

Either I'm confused, or Terra got wiped from existence during the recompletion.

Yeah I'm not sure how this was completely explained. My best guess is that Terranort is one of Xehanorts 13 (many of us think this) And that he is still possessed. I know that Xemnas and Ansem SOD were technically from Terra-nort, but that was one of his forms in his plan, and his destruction didn't affect that, and Constructed the actual. He also said that he owns one of "your 7" to Mickey. This is inferred as Terra, and this is why many think he is in the 13.

[khoathkeeper13 429]

I still think the old MX is using Terra's body still and Xehanort's heart has just shaped the vessel to look like him (like when Riku ended up looking like Ansem or how Ven caused Roxas's appearance).  Terra's heart was swallowed by MX's and is most likely still there.  "In the end your heart will be engulfed by mine forever."

 

Xemnas has to be from the past because he was destroyed in KH2.  He couldn't have been recompleted as Xemnas because he was recompleted as Xehanort.

 

Terranort could be one of the vessels but he would have to be from the past as well.

 

As to where the non-time travelers went, they're probably off doing something evil.  Scheming and initiating plans and stuff.  They could literally be anywhere.

[Charles Matthews 24]

I still think the old MX is using Terra's body still and Xehanort's heart has just shaped the vessel to look like him (like when Riku ended up looking like Ansem or how Ven caused Roxas's appearance).  Terra's heart was swallowed by MX's and is most likely still there.  "In the end your heart will be engulfed by mine forever."

 

 

But Master Xehanort himself said he came back as a complete person aka his original self. YX pretty much agreed with this statement with the whole "my most future self will arrive here". aka Xehanort as an old man. Plus as the KH 2.5 Destiny secret ending was supposed to tell us through YX and Braig, Terranort aka Xemnas not being in the room means he went off to go "get the party started"..... which again MX himself doesn't fully revive or make his presence known until the very end when his 12 vessels welcome him back at TWTNW. 

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Well, who knows where they might have gone?  While the rest returned to their own time, I'm sure the remaining ones went into hiding, to watch Sora and the gang from the shadows!  It's unclear how the new Organization is moving along, but we can be dead certain that these guys are more lethal than the original Organization XIII! D:

[Iris 223]

Sometimes I Wonder if the keyblade grave yard is hidden in The world that never was. Then again this is just my own theory I do assume they are in a world where kingdom hearts is located/ or summoned?

[khoathkeeper13 429]

But Master Xehanort himself said he came back as a complete person aka his original self. YX pretty much agreed with this statement with the whole "my most future self will arrive here". aka Xehanort as an old man. Plus as the KH 2.5 Destiny secret ending was supposed to tell us through YX and Braig, Terranort aka Xemnas not being in the room means he went off to go "get the party started"..... which again MX himself doesn't fully revive or make his presence known until the very end when his 12 vessels welcome him back at TWTNW. 

MX was recompleted at the end of DDD.  That was the result of Xemnas and Ansem being destroyed (Yen Sid stated this in the Coded secret ending).  Xemnas and Ansem are the result of Terranort being split into a Heartless and Nobody.  Therefore the MX in DDD and Terranort must be the same.

Xemnas and Ansem were both brought from the past with YMX.  YMX can only move forward in time.  In that secret ending YMX has already brought Xemnas with him from the past and he's off "getting the party started."

[Charles Matthews 24]

MX was recompleted at the end of DDD.  That was the result of Xemnas and Ansem being destroyed (Yen Sid stated this in the Coded secret ending).  Xemnas and Ansem are the result of Terranort being split into a Heartless and Nobody.  Therefore the MX in DDD and Terranort must be the same.

Xemnas and Ansem were both brought from the past with YMX.  YMX can only move forward in time.  In that secret ending YMX has already brought Xemnas with him from the past and he's off "getting the party started."

 

Nomura's interview about the MX/Terra situation in 3D implies otherwise. Plus MX said "Sora and another on his list belonged to him now." and seeing how he meant vessels which Sora was about to become, means Terra was also in the room as well just as a separate being. Plus the scene with YX and Braig takes place literally right before 3D in the present so it doesn't make much sense for him to have meant "Xemnas of the past" when Braig was clearly talking about Xemnas aka Terranort of the present hence the "Lord Xemnas is nowhere to be seen". Xemnas' orignal and recompleted self is Terranort as Xigbar's is Braig, Saix's is Isa, etc etc. 

 

Braig knows all apparently so why was he expecting to see Xemnas recompleted as Terranort in the present? Plus all Braig said was "the party must have been started" never said anything about Terranort/Xemnas(present) himself being the one that got it started. This is probably all YX's doing.

 

MX couldn't be getting the party started himself as he doesn't even fully revive or get recompleted until the near end of 3D hence the whole "my 12 selves gather to welcome me on this day" comment. YX even said they were getting everything ready aka "getting the party started" before MX finally comes back as a complete person.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Charles Matthews

[khoathkeeper13 429]

Nomura's interview about the MX/Terra situation in 3D says otherwise. Plus MX said "Sora and another on his list belonged to him now." and seeing how he meant vessels which Sora was about to become, means Terra was also in the room as well just as a separate being. Plus the scene with YX and Braig takes place literally right before 3D in the present so it doesn't make much sense for him to have meant "Xemnas of the past" when Braig was clearly talking about Xemnas aka Terranort of the present hence the "Lord Xemnas is nowhere to be seen". Xemnas' orignal and recompleted self should be Terranort as Xigbar's is Braig, Saix's is Isa, etc etc. 

 

Braig knows all apparently so why was he expecting to see Xemnas recompleted as Terranort in the present? Plus all Braig said was "the party must have been started" never said anything about Terranort/Xemnas(present) himself being the one that got it started. This is probably all YX's doing.

 

MX couldn't be getting the party started himself as he doesn't even fully revive or get recompleted until the near end of 3D hence the whole "my 12 selves gather to welcome me on this day" comment. YX even said they were getting everything ready aka "getting the party started" before MX finally comes back as a complete person.

I don't know if I'd say Braig knows all.  He flat out says he doesn't know what Xehanort's scheming.

 

And "Xemnas" can only refer to the Nobody. Not Terranort/Apprentice Xehanort.  Xemnas is the Nobody just like Ansem SoD is the Heartless.  Braig would know the difference. He could've said that out of habit and expected him to look like Apprentice Xehanort again, my point from before being that Xehanort's heart changed his appearance to the point of being Xehanort. The old original Xehanort.  It's still Terra's body and Terra's heart is still there.  MX just has all control.  Heart=identity=appearance.

 

The Master Xehanort being formed at the end of DDD is YMX's "most present self," i.e. the recompleted Xehanort from Xemnas and Ansem SoD.   The one Braig expected to find in Radiant Garden.

I know MX is not doing anything at the time of that secret ending.  Xemnas and Ansem are thanks to YMX's time travel.

[Charles Matthews 24]

I don't know if I'd say Braig knows all.  He flat out says he doesn't know what Xehanort's scheming.

 

And "Xemnas" can only refer to the Nobody. Not Terranort/Apprentice Xehanort.  Xemnas is the Nobody just like Ansem SoD is the Heartless.  Braig would know the difference. He could've said that out of habit and expected him to look like Apprentice Xehanort again, my point from before being that Xehanort's heart changed his appearance to the point of being Xehanort. The old original Xehanort.  It's still Terra's body and Terra's heart is still there.  MX just has all control.  Heart=identity=appearance.

 

The Master Xehanort being formed at the end of DDD is YMX's "most present self," i.e. the recompleted Xehanort from Xemnas and Ansem SoD.   The one Braig expected to find in Radiant Garden.

I know MX is not doing anything at the time of that secret ending.  Xemnas and Ansem are thanks to YMX's time travel.

 

 

Well yeah the whole "Braig knows all" comment was just me over-exaggerating a bit since while he does know a lot of things others don't, he doesn't know everything.

 

Xemnas would just be a simple Nobody nickname for Terranort/AX so it doesn't really have to pertain to just the actual Nobody since the original self = Nobody except without a heart. Just another name like how Sora calls Braig "Xigbar"(assuming that isn't a time travelling Xigbar) and how everyone kept calling Lea "Axel" and how YX was apparently going to call Isa "Saix" in the 2.5 secret ending(Assuming it was Isa/Saix he was referring to with the "S----" but it most likely is the case) Just a force of habit for people calling them by their Nobody names like you said. But again, Braig was expecting to see Terranort revived in RG aka "Lord Xemnas" not Master Xehanort who then Braig goes off talking about MX specifically and what not clearly separating MX from Xemnas/Terranort and YX didn't try and correct his wording or anything, just agreed with what he said.  

 

What I'm saying is, it doesn't make much sense for Terranort(who could have been woken up and taken by YX himself like Braig and Isa) to just get recompleted in RG then randomly get recompleted again in TWTNW near the end of 3D as Old man Xehanort, which was literally his actual return and what was decided. KH 2.5's ending implies that Terranort did infact recomplete in RG which completely contradicts MX's actual recompletion in 3D. Why he got revived a lot later than Terranort is unknown but it could have had something to do with the recompletion cycle when Ansem and Xemnas were destroyed which sort of "separated" MX and Terra's hearts from each other basically "resetting" everything. Actually.....to be technical, all it would really take is for Ansem to be destroyed for MX to return separately since MX's heart was in the mix and his real body was dissolved. Xemnas is literally Terra's body after all not MX's but.....  that's clearly not the case. 

 

I'm sure KH3 will have all the answers since hey... nobody even knows for sure how the whole bizz between Terra and MX went down...

Edited May 12, 2015 by Charles Matthews

[khoathkeeper13 429]

Well yeah the whole "Braig knows all" comment was just me over-exaggerating a bit since while he does know a lot of things others don't, he doesn't know everything.

 

Xemnas would just be a simple Nobody nickname for Terranort/AX so it doesn't really have to pertain to just the actual Nobody since the original self = Nobody except without a heart. Just another name like how Sora calls Braig "Xigbar"(assuming that isn't a time travelling Xigbar) and how everyone kept calling Lea "Axel" and how YX was apparently going to call Isa "Saix" in the 2.5 secret ending(Assuming it was Isa/Saix he was referring to with the "S----" but it most likely is the case) Just a force of habit for people calling them by their Nobody names like you said. But again, Braig was expecting to see Terranort revived in RG aka "Lord Xemnas" not Master Xehanort who then Braig goes off talking about MX specifically and what not clearly separating MX from Xemnas/Terranort and YX didn't try and correct his wording or anything, just agreed with what he said.  

 

What I'm saying is, it doesn't make much sense for Terranort(who could have been woken up and taken by YX himself like Braig and Isa) to just get recompleted in RG then randomly get recompleted again in TWTNW near the end of 3D as Old man Xehanort, which was literally his actual return and what was decided. KH 2.5's ending implies that Terranort did infact recomplete in RG which completely contradicts MX's actual recompletion in 3D. Why he got revived a lot later than Terranort is unknown but it could have had something to do with the recompletion cycle when Ansem and Xemnas were destroyed which sort of "separated" MX and Terra's hearts from each other basically "resetting" everything. Actually.....to be technical, all it would really take is for Ansem to be destroyed for MX to return separately since MX's heart was in the mix and his real body was dissolved. Xemnas is literally Terra's body after all not MX's but.....  that's clearly not the case. 

 

I'm sure KH3 will have all the answers since hey... nobody even knows for sure how the whole bizz between Terra and MX went down...

Ahh the point I was trying to make was that they weren't separated and no one appeared in Radiant Garden.  Old coot-nort and Apprentice-nort are the same person, that's why they are both being referred to by Braig.  YMX does not know what his future self is planning, let alone how he would appear when he reformed.  Why would it matter to correct wording when they're all Xehanort anyways?  Xigbar called Xemnas "Xehanort" when talking to Zexion in that scene in kh2fm.  They're technically the same so why bother correcting?  He was talking about him collectively.

 

And Master Xehanort's return at the end of DDD was the result of destroying Xemnas and Ansem.  Therefore he couldn't have appeared as Apprentice Xehanort in Radiant Garden.

 

 

 

"Their destruction now guarantees the original Xehanort's reconstruction....... In short this means Master Xehanort will return."

 

 

My point for how the reformed Xehanort could have his true appearance instead of looking like Terra was that his heart had basically completely overpowered Terra's and the vessel took shape of the heart that was inside. 

 

And the only thing that the 2.5 secret ending was implying was the MX's keyblade connects to Chi. You're over thinking what is being said.  YMX has brought Xemnas and Ansem with him from the past as he traveled forward through time and now he's there to pick up Saix.  His purpose was to gather all the vessels and that's what he was doing.  They were beginning their plan to make Sora the 13th.  Xemnas was the one who was constantly confronting Sora.

[Charles Matthews 24]

Ahh the point I was trying to make was that they weren't separated and no one appeared in Radiant Garden.  Old coot-nort and Apprentice-nort are the same person, that's why they are both being referred to by Braig.  YMX does not know what his future self is planning, let alone how he would appear when he reformed.  Why would it matter to correct wording when they're all Xehanort anyways?  Xigbar called Xemnas "Xehanort" when talking to Zexion in that scene in kh2fm.  They're technically the same so why bother correcting?  He was talking about him collectively.

 

And Master Xehanort's return at the end of DDD was the result of destroying Xemnas and Ansem.  Therefore he couldn't have appeared as Apprentice Xehanort in Radiant Garden.

 

 

 

"Their destruction now guarantees the original Xehanort's reconstruction....... In short this means Master Xehanort will return."

 

 

My point for how the reformed Xehanort could have his true appearance instead of looking like Terra was that his heart had basically completely overpowered Terra's and the vessel took shape of the heart that was inside. 

 

And the only thing that the 2.5 secret ending was implying was the MX's keyblade connects to Chi. You're over thinking what is being said.  YMX has brought Xemnas and Ansem with him from the past as he traveled forward through time and now he's there to pick up Saix.  His purpose was to gather all the vessels and that's what he was doing.  They were beginning their plan to make Sora the 13th.  Xemnas was the one who was constantly confronting Sora.

 

Except that literally isn't the point I was trying to come across.... I know about their plan and what that ending implied. You seem to be ignoring Braig and YX's words about "Lord Xemnas being nowhere to be seen" with the rest of the ex- Org members. Then he goes off talking about Old Man Xehanort and his plans... he was basically separating Xemnas/Terranort from Master Xehanort. It doesn't make much sense that he'd mention Terranort/Xemnas first before talking about MX under the same breath. Could be over thinking it and maybe not. Just going with the implications and what 3D clearly showed us with MX returning as a complete person. Or as YX's words "my most future self." That pretty much implies MX is back in his own body which means Terra is most likely back in his body as well. What we really don't know is what his current situation is like besides being one of MX's Norts .Old Man Xehanort and Terranort/AX are not really the same as you make it seem or with that, we can just say MX is the same as Braig/Xigbar or the same as Isa/Saix...... Well I mean they are all his vessels and all so they kinda are the same but you get my point. 

 

And Yen Sid's words all but pretty much help support my point even more tbh. Their destruction brought back Xehanort yes. Master Xehanort could still have been revived but also with Terranort. Nothing in YX's words really go to refute that notion whatsover since it's not like Yen Sid himself knows everything about the Xehanort situation.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point since again, the whole situation with Terra/Xehanort isn't 100% known which KH3 will let us know most likely.

Edited May 12, 2015 by Charles Matthews