Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted April 20, 2015 Thing is, Smash is a Nintendo game. It's going to stick to Nintendo characters, or characters who are important in Nintendo history. People have forgotten that thanks to the inclusion of Sonic and Snake, and now people think any freaking video game character ever made can get into a Nintendo crossover. Sora really has no place in a tribute to the history of Nintendo, especially when more deserving first-party Nintendo characters aren't included at all. I'm honestly starting to think that most of the people voting for Sora aren't Nintendo fans and just want their favorite character in more games. Well that's not the case. Lots of people are both Nintendo fans AND want Sora in Smash because in terms of 3rd party characters, he'd make a good fit to all of the fun and goofyness present in Smash Bros. And Sonic and Snake are not the only 3rd party characters, you do realize that right? Nintendo has plenty of love in this title, there's no harm in having one or two more 3rd party characters in the game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora96 17,256 Posted April 20, 2015 The Kingdom Hearts II files are licensed for Sony exclusivity. Nice try. 2 Ninkoro and Sendou Aichi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted April 20, 2015 https://tcrf.net/Special:Contributions/Soraisreal Only two contributions, totally legit guys! Which one of you was it? ...are you seriously suggesting somebody here removed all the bits that had to do with Sora? That's rather presumptuous, not to mention unlikely, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542 Posted April 20, 2015 Thing is, Smash is a Nintendo game. It's going to stick to Nintendo characters, or characters who are important in Nintendo history. People have forgotten that thanks to the inclusion of Sonic and Snake, and now people think any freaking video game character ever made can get into a Nintendo crossover. Sora really has no place in a tribute to the history of Nintendo, especially when more deserving first-party Nintendo characters aren't included at all. I'm honestly starting to think that most of the people voting for Sora aren't Nintendo fans and just want their favorite character in more games. Since when did they say that only Nintendo characters are allowed to be voted for?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542 Posted April 20, 2015 Well that's not the case. Lots of people are both Nintendo fans AND want Sora in Smash because in terms of 3rd party characters, he'd make a good fit to all of the fun and goofyness present in Smash Bros. And Sonic and Snake are not the only 3rd party characters, you do realize that right? Nintendo has plenty of love in this title, there's no harm in having one or two more 3rd party characters in the game.Especially when one of them deserves to be in it. Also, did he/she really have to emphasize Nintendo SIX times?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted April 20, 2015 Well that's not the case. Lots of people are both Nintendo fans AND want Sora in Smash because in terms of 3rd party characters, he'd make a good fit to all of the fun and goofyness present in Smash Bros. And Sonic and Snake are not the only 3rd party characters, you do realize that right? Nintendo has plenty of love in this title, there's no harm in having one or two more 3rd party characters in the game. Yes, I do realize that there are other 3rd party characters. I pointed out those two because they were the first. There are a lot of Nintendo franchises that are under-represented, and deserve more recognition in the game. Also, again, Sora really doesn't have an important history with Nintendo. Since when did they say that only Nintendo characters are allowed to be voted for?! They never said that, but it's pretty obvious they'll be choosing a Nintendo character. Especially when one of them deserves to be in it. Also, did he/she really have to emphasize Nintendo SIX times?! I never said third party characters didn't deserve to get in. I'd say all of them (Except for maybe Snake) deserve a spot because they were important to Nintendo. Also, I emphasized Nintendo to point out that this is a Nintendo game, even though people are voting for Sony/Microsoft characters. Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't go and say bad things about me, especially in a place where I can clearly see them. 1 Sendou Aichi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted April 20, 2015 Yes, I do realize that there are other 3rd party characters. I pointed out those two because they were the first. There are a lot of Nintendo franchises that are under-represented, and deserve more recognition in the game. Also, again, Sora really doesn't have an important history with Nintendo. They never said that, but it's pretty obvious they'll be choosing a Nintendo character. I never said third party characters didn't deserve to get in. I'd say all of them (Except for maybe Snake) deserve a spot because they were important to Nintendo. Also, I emphasized Nintendo to point out that this is a Nintendo game, even though people are voting for Sony/Microsoft characters. Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't go and say bad things about me, especially in a place where I can clearly see them. If they felt that Snake was deserving enough to be in Brawl, then I don't see why Sora wouldn't have just as good of a chance to get in. Plus, Nintendo has held about half of the KH series on its shoulders, and the series itself is a still a growing force, so I'd say that it IS important enough. Sora is recognizable enough to everyone for him to have a massive demand, and if someone like Shulk can get in (Nintendo exclusive or not), I don't see someone like Sora who's more recognizable wouldn't have the same chance. Besides, I'll take another 3rd party character with a smaller presence on Nintendo systems than someone like King K Rool. Yes, Nintendo has a lot of franchises, but only so many of them are universally praised enough for people to want to play as them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted April 20, 2015 If they felt that Snake was deserving enough to be in Brawl, then I don't see why Sora wouldn't have just as good of a chance to get in. Plus, Nintendo has held about half of the KH series on its shoulders, and the series itself is a still a growing force, so I'd say that it IS important enough. Sora is recognizable enough to everyone for him to have a massive demand, and if someone like Shulk can get in (Nintendo exclusive or not), I don't see someone like Sora who's more recognizable wouldn't have the same chance. Besides, I'll take another 3rd party character with a smaller presence on Nintendo systems than someone like King K Rool. Yes, Nintendo has a lot of franchises, but only so many of them are universally praised enough for people to want to play as them. Snake was in because Sakurai and Kojima were close friends, and Kojima personally asked Sakurai to include him. Also, as for Shulk, he's not just Nintendo exclusive. He's first-party, and Xenoblade was rather popular in Japan from what I've heard. Not to mention the massive fan movement to bring Xenoblade to North America. Sora might have a few games on Nintendo systems, but that doesn't make him important to the company. Finally, not all Nintendo fans only play the series that are universally praised. There are a lot of F-Zero, Xenoblade, and Mother fans, along with many other series, who want more representation in Smash. 1 Sendou Aichi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542 Posted April 20, 2015 Snake was in because Sakurai and Kojima were close friends, and Kojima personally asked Sakurai to include him. Also, as for Shulk, he's not just Nintendo exclusive. He's first-party, and Xenoblade was rather popular in Japan from what I've heard. Not to mention the massive fan movement to bring Xenoblade to North America. Sora might have a few games on Nintendo systems, but that doesn't make him important to the company. Finally, not all Nintendo fans only play the series that are universally praised. There are a lot of F-Zero, Xenoblade, and Mother fans, along with many other series, who want more representation in Smash.Oh, a FEW games. Don't you mean nearly HALF of KH?! You know, instead of truly being a fandom who wants their series to be noticed by other people, we're arguing over if he should be in Smash or not, and I say he SHOULD! He DESERVES it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted April 20, 2015 Snake was in because Sakurai and Kojima were close friends, and Kojima personally asked Sakurai to include him. Also, as for Shulk, he's not just Nintendo exclusive. He's first-party, and Xenoblade was rather popular in Japan from what I've heard. Not to mention the massive fan movement to bring Xenoblade to North America. Sora might have a few games on Nintendo systems, but that doesn't make him important to the company. Finally, not all Nintendo fans only play the series that are universally praised. There are a lot of F-Zero, Xenoblade, and Mother fans, along with many other series, who want more representation in Smash. We're talking one character slot, so even if one of those franchises got another character, others would still be missing out. Maybe a rival for Captain Falcon, but Xenoblade just got in there, and Mother is already getting Lucas back. There is ENOUGH representation here in this game, and Sora taking one spot wouldn't hurt anyone's chances. And maybe you don't see it the way we do, but there are lot's of Smashers who want Sora in Smash, and so far the fan polls are really showing it. I get if you don't want him in, but at least try to be accepting of the fact that other people want him in and he has a pretty even chance with anyone else. The way I see it there's going to be several more DLC characters, not a whole lot but a few more. A majority of those are likely to be Nintendo characters anyway, so Sora being the one 3rd party DLC character out of that bunch isn't going to upset the balance of things. There's fan demand, there's interest, and there's a fair chance. And with that I'm taking my hat out of the ring, this is getting repetitive. 1 Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmashLegendRiku 97 Posted April 20, 2015 Thing is, Smash is a Nintendo game. It's going to stick to Nintendo characters, or characters who are important in Nintendo history. People have forgotten that thanks to the inclusion of Sonic and Snake, and now people think any freaking video game character ever made can get into a Nintendo crossover. Sora really has no place in a tribute to the history of Nintendo, especially when more deserving first-party Nintendo characters aren't included at all. I'm honestly starting to think that most of the people voting for Sora aren't Nintendo fans and just want their favorite character in more games. inb4all the goku fanboys The ballet trolling is getting really annoying, especially from the Non-Nintendo Third party supporters (seriously, f*** off with the Banjo pleas, we're lucky if VC will ever get the Banjo games re-released), and I've been to threads where people would actually threaten others to get a character they like in. -___- I don't want Sora in Smash AT ALL because that would mean more complications in Smash 5 if everyone uses the character competitively and Nintendo can't get the rights for said character anymore. Plus, this isn't Sony All-Stars: Nintendo has a lot of potential candidates for smash 5 that were kind of been pushed aside for awhile (Rhythm Heaven I'm looking at you), so it's time for them to shine for once. 2 Shulk and Sendou Aichi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KH4Real 749 Posted April 20, 2015 Sora is the one who created Smash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted April 20, 2015 Sora is plenty relevant to Nintendo, so he's more liekly than a lot of picks, but he doesn't really DESERVE it and there are more likely picks first Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Winds 2,576 Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Oh, a FEW games. Don't you mean nearly HALF of KH?! You know, instead of truly being a fandom who wants their series to be noticed by other people, we're arguing over if he should be in Smash or not, and I say he SHOULD! He DESERVES it! Name one reason why he should that actually has an impact on Smash and not just because you say so or "because it's Sora." Just for future reference. CoM had a PS2 remake, making GBA irrelevant. Days and Recoded are cutscene collections on ps3 so their games are irrelevant, especially recoded. That just leaves 3D. You only need one nintendo console to play a KH title now. Pretty weak Nintendo rep for Sora. Edited April 21, 2015 by Hero of Winds 1 Shulk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542 Posted April 21, 2015 Name one reason why he should that actually has an impact on Smash and not just because you say so or "because it's Sora."Just for future reference. CoM had a PS2 remake, making GBA irrelevant. Days and Recoded are cutscene collections on ps3 so their games are irrelevant, especially recoded. That just leaves 3D. You only need one nintendo console to play a KH title now. Pretty weak Nintendo rep for Sora. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeybladeLordCheeseCurd 1,542 Posted April 21, 2015 inb4all the goku fanboys The ballet trolling is getting really annoying, especially from the Non-Nintendo Third party supporters (seriously, f*** off with the Banjo pleas, we're lucky if VC will ever get the Banjo games re-released), and I've been to threads where people would actually threaten others to get a character they like in. -___- I don't want Sora in Smash AT ALL because that would mean more complications in Smash 5 if everyone uses the character competitively and Nintendo can't get the rights for said character anymore. Plus, this isn't Sony All-Stars: Nintendo has a lot of potential candidates for smash 5 that were kind of been pushed aside for awhile (Rhythm Heaven I'm looking at you), so it's time for them to shine for once.Don't you mean Smash 4? Also, I can't believe we're acting like cannibals all because of ONE FREAKING CHARACTER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmashLegendRiku 97 Posted April 21, 2015 Don't you mean Smash 4? Also, I can't believe we're acting like cannibals all because of ONE FREAKING CHARACTER. No I meant Smash 5, because some of these third party characters might be under a temporary contract so we might get one in smash 4, but lose him/her in Smash 5. I said "might" with a hint of salt, but I'll note that there's other reasons that third party fighters are only featured in the game once (ergo: Snake). Also, this is a pretty tame discussion thread over the Smash Ballet so I have no idea how you can label everyone here as acting like "cannibals". 2 Hero of Winds and Shulk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted April 21, 2015 Name one reason why he should that actually has an impact on Smash and not just because you say so or "because it's Sora." Just for future reference. CoM had a PS2 remake, making GBA irrelevant. Days and Recoded are cutscene collections on ps3 so their games are irrelevant, especially recoded. That just leaves 3D. You only need one nintendo console to play a KH title now. Pretty weak Nintendo rep for Sora. oh no, not IRRELEVANT STORY That's clearly the key reason why characters are chosen for Smash. Now that plot points from KH are variable on other consoles they couldn't possibly have KH in Smash, the msot story heavy of all the games it's just like how they removed Sonic and Snake form Brawl because some of their games got ported to other consoles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Winds 2,576 Posted April 21, 2015 oh no, not IRRELEVANT STORY That's clearly the key reason why characters are chosen for Smash. Now that plot points from KH are variable on other consoles they couldn't possibly have KH in Smash, the msot story heavy of all the games it's just like how they removed Sonic and Snake form Brawl because some of their games got ported to other consoles Talking about games that impacted Nintendo, of which none of the KH titles did. 1 Shulk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted April 21, 2015 Talking about games that impacted Nintendo, of which none of the KH titles did. neither did MGS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outbackjim21 83 Posted April 21, 2015 Meh, honestly Id vote for Neku, first game on Nintendo system, and has a crap ton of viable moves to use, and that's if we don't go pokemon trainer and allow him to team up with all three of his partners, imagine, a pokemon trainer/Iceclimbers hybrid,... Oh and that final smash, you already know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted April 22, 2015 neither did MGS Again, Kojima and Sakurai were friends, and Kojima asked Sakurai to put Snake in Smash. Considering that Snake was cut from Smash 4, it's very possible that Sakurai realized Snake really didn't fit in the series (I like him, but he felt out of place). Meh, honestly Id vote for Neku, first game on Nintendo system, and has a crap ton of viable moves to use, and that's if we don't go pokemon trainer and allow him to team up with all three of his partners, imagine, a pokemon trainer/Iceclimbers hybrid,... Oh and that final smash, you already know it. Pokemon Trainer and Ice Climbers were cut due to hardware limitations on the 3DS, Neku wouldn't be able to work as a hybrid of those two. I personally think Neku would be cool (Though I doubt a Square Enix representative will get in at all), although he should just use his pin powers if he does get in. He doesn't really need a partner anyway. 1 Hero of Winds reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joker 1,560 Posted April 22, 2015 Again, Kojima and Sakurai were friends, and Kojima asked Sakurai to put Snake in Smash. Considering that Snake was cut from Smash 4, it's very possible that Sakurai realized Snake really didn't fit in the series (I like him, but he felt out of place). Pokemon Trainer and Ice Climbers were cut due to hardware limitations on the 3DS, Neku wouldn't be able to work as a hybrid of those two. I personally think Neku would be cool (Though I doubt a Square Enix representative will get in at all), although he should just use his pin powers if he does get in. He doesn't really need a partner anyway. Neku could use all his partners for a final smash and do tht thing he did on the final boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outbackjim21 83 Posted April 22, 2015 Again, Kojima and Sakurai were friends, and Kojima asked Sakurai to put Snake in Smash. Considering that Snake was cut from Smash 4, it's very possible that Sakurai realized Snake really didn't fit in the series (I like him, but he felt out of place). Pokemon Trainer and Ice Climbers were cut due to hardware limitations on the 3DS, Neku wouldn't be able to work as a hybrid of those two. I personally think Neku would be cool (Though I doubt a Square Enix representative will get in at all), although he should just use his pin powers if he does get in. He doesn't really need a partner anyway.hardware limitations? But the 3ds, especially newer ones have more powerful assets than the GameCube, and SSB4 has as many features as SSBM, if not slightly a bit more. And the game is only 2 gigs so it's not like its pushing the envelope with data management when 3ds cards can store 8. I feel like that was just a cop out to omit stuff without being at fault, which we can never truly know for sure, but it just doesn't sound right, butbim not a coding wiz, so maybe there is something that prevented it that only a coder would know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted April 23, 2015 hardware limitations? But the 3ds, especially newer ones have more powerful assets than the GameCube, and SSB4 has as many features as SSBM, if not slightly a bit more. And the game is only 2 gigs so it's not like its pushing the envelope with data management when 3ds cards can store 8. I feel like that was just a cop out to omit stuff without being at fault, which we can never truly know for sure, but it just doesn't sound right, butbim not a coding wiz, so maybe there is something that prevented it that only a coder would know. 3ds is more powerful than a gamecube in some ways, but it doesn't have the power to render eight players. Also the 3DS' graphical resources are functionally cut in half in order to support 3D effects Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
