Who would win? Gaara or Toph?

[adngo714 36]

This is Gaara after Shukaku is renoved.

[Axel12345678 16]

Screwattack already did a Death Battle between those two.

[adngo714 36]

Screwattack already did a Death Battle between those two.

That's what inspired me.

[Axel12345678 16]

Alrighty then

[Guest]

Well, like they said, Toph has control of ground even when it's not on solid ground as well as see it. Every attack he could dare try to throw at her is basically like trying kicking a soccer ball when a professional player is guarding the goal and you're only a casual player.

[Aru Akise 2,540]

Plus, Gaara can't turn boulders into sand instantly, can he?

[Jason Shaw 7]

The thing with Gaara is he can turn the entire battlefield into sand and use that as his weapon. My opinion, Gaara would destroy her.

[decisivesora123 39]

This is a no completion match did you guys forget that toph can't sense anything if it's in the air, all gaara has to do is float in the air and sand rain and toph is down. Like no need to complicate this.

[Aang 649]

Toph all day long!

[Guest]

This is a no completion match did you guys forget that toph can't sense anything if it's in the air, all gaara has to do is float in the air and sand rain and toph is down. Like no need to complicate this.

Actually, she can sense earth in air, like stated in the Death Battle, in a behind the scenes series extra, it is revealed she can sense ground even when midair

 

Source: @15:40

 

This also can be explained through sonar, which her earth sense skill is based off of. When she strikes the ground, vibrations in the air are also caused by it. Although she can't (In a sense) sense air, the vibrations from the striking of the earth's ground hard enough is enough energy to propel some of her sense in the air. If there is even a speck of dirt, her earth sense will pick it up through the vibrations and continue through that speck of dirt into all surrounding ones, much like when sonar bounces off of a wall, only it bounces off of dirt in air, which will force it to vibrate all around and thus will send vibrations at Toph. With this, it basically becomes sonar. However, the signal strength dose weaken the farther from the source it goes. This, combined with the fact the sand is moving, makes it very easy for her to see it(As the moving sand would have more vibrations to get a signal from) and be able to block it or dodge, it would be too simple. Most of Gara's attacks could be easily avoided and blocked at this point. From there it's just a match of stamina and how much pressure Toph can apply before she runs out of it, if she has less than Gara. 

 

 

The thing with Gaara is he can turn the entire battlefield into sand and use that as his weapon. My opinion, Gaara would destroy her.

 

Toph can bend sand, or control it, as well. She also has the skill to transform it's state back to solid land. Furthermore, her control over regular earth, sand, and metal are so persice, she was able to make a sand city of the inner most circle of Ba Sing Se, a gigantic city, right down to facial details and made it almost completely identical.

 

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Although Gara has MONSTROUS control over sand, his persicision is just not up to snuff on that level. She can bend in every kind of earth, save the purest of refined metals, like Platinum.

 

Anyway, onto an actual match of stamina. 

 

In normal terms, they have about equal stamina. Toph maybe a tad more (I mean, she seems to be about 120 years old in the more recent episodes of ATLOK, you have to have massive stamina to survive that long and still be one of the absolute best Earth Benders alive) But then you factor in Gara's sand armor, which though protects him, is basically painting a big red target on himself for Toph's earth sense, and drains away his strength as they fight (Especially as he gets hit, the armor won't protect him from all damage, just lessen the amount taken drastically). Since most, if not all of his techniques rely on sand as well, and Toph can defiantly control sand far better than Gara at this point(She made an entire city sculpture out of sand in an instant, I doubt Gara can do anything on that level of percise control...) It's basically just like she's fighting a higher stamina version of The Boulder, who uses sand.

[decisivesora123 39]

Actually, she can sense earth in air, like stated in the Death Battle, in a behind the scenes series extra, it is revealed she can sense ground even when midair

 

Source: @15:40

 

This also can be explained through sonar, which her earth sense skill is based off of. When she strikes the ground, vibrations in the air are also caused by it. Although she can't (In a sense) sense air, the vibrations from the striking of the earth's ground hard enough is enough energy to propel some of her sense in the air. If there is even a speck of dirt, her earth sense will pick it up through the vibrations and continue through that speck of dirt into all surrounding ones, much like when sonar bounces off of a wall, only it bounces off of dirt in air, which will force it to vibrate all around and thus will send vibrations at Toph. With this, it basically becomes sonar. However, the signal strength dose weaken the farther from the source it goes. This, combined with the fact the sand is moving, makes it very easy for her to see it(As the moving sand would have more vibrations to get a signal from) and be able to block it or dodge, it would be too simple. Most of Gara's attacks could be easily avoided and blocked at this point. From there it's just a match of stamina and how much pressure Toph can apply before she runs out of it, if she has less than Gara. 

 

 

 

 

Toph can bend sand, or control it, as well. She also has the skill to transform it's state back to solid land. Furthermore, her control over regular earth, sand, and metal are so persice, she was able to make a sand city of the inner most circle of Ba Sing Se, a gigantic city, right down to facial details and made it almost completely identical.

 

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Although Gara has MONSTROUS control over sand, his persicision is just not up to snuff on that level. She can bend in every kind of earth, save the purest of refined metals, like Platinum.

 

Anyway, onto an actual match of stamina. 

 

In normal terms, they have about equal stamina. Toph maybe a tad more (I mean, she seems to be about 120 years old in the more recent episodes of ATLOK, you have to have massive stamina to survive that long and still be one of the absolute best Earth Benders alive) But then you factor in Gara's sand armor, which though protects him, is basically painting a big red target on himself for Toph's earth sense, and drains away his strength as they fight (Especially as he gets hit, the armor won't protect him from all damage, just lessen the amount taken drastically). Since most, if not all of his techniques rely on sand as well, and Toph can defiantly control sand far better than Gara at this point(She made an entire city sculpture out of sand in an instant, I doubt Gara can do anything on that level of percise control...) It's basically just like she's fighting a higher stamina version of The Boulder, who uses sand.

Dude everyone is over thinking this, first of all don't give her abilities the creators didn't give her. In any episode an item or a type of earth has been thrown at he she has been unable to dodge it, the only type she has been able to sense something in mid air is when someone has pointed in the direction of it.

[Guest]

Dude everyone is over thinking this, first of all don't give her abilities the creators didn't give her. In any episode an item or a type of earth has been thrown at he she has been unable to dodge it, the only type she has been able to sense something in mid air is when someone has pointed in the direction of it.

Overthinking? Considering I didn't even go in depth on how Toph would win, I would say this is perfectly fine.Also, I'm relatively sure the is able to not only keep up with, but do better than the Royal Earth Benders of Ba Sing Se, even when grouped on her (as I recall during the first raid on the Fire Lord, they were there and even though they had multiple on both her and Aang) she trumps them easily, a feat that would be difficult even for a person who can see, or see earth. I'm pretty darn sure this is an ability she has by canon, and this is just a conformation of the ability. Reguardless, this is part of the canon, and must be included as part of her abilities. Next of all, most of the time, they point at things she CAN'T see with earthbending. At all. Because they are normally against Fire Benders for the most part. She can't sense fire.Finally, if I were overthinking this, I would have wrote out the entire scripted battle. This is something I do on a near daily basis (judge combat skills and victory's.). It's far too easy to be able to make something this simple. I'm one of the best on the site for combat overall as I study fighting a lot. Overthinking is far beyond this. Edited March 14, 2015 by Guest

[decisivesora123 39]

Overthinking? Considering I didn't even go in depth on how Toph would win, I would say this is perfectly fine.Also, I'm relatively sure the is able to not only keep up with, but do better than the Royal Earth Benders of Ba Sing Se, even when grouped on her (as I recall during the first raid on the Fire Lord, they were there and even though they had multiple on both her and Aang) she trumps them easily, a feat that would be difficult even for a person who can see, or see earth. I'm pretty darn sure this is an ability she has by canon, and this is just a conformation of the ability. Reguardless, this is part of the canon, and must be included as part of her abilities. Next of all, most of the time, they point at things she CAN'T see with earthbending. At all. Because they are normally against Fire Benders for the most part. She can't sense fire.Finally, if I were overthinking this, I would have wrote out the entire scripted battle. This is something I do on a near daily basis (judge combat skills and victory's.). It's far too easy to be able to make something this simple. I'm one of the best on the site for combat overall as I study fighting a lot. Overthinking is far beyond this.

Ok so that explains why she was unable to block the championship belt from hitting her when they first met which we all agree is made from metal and has purified earth in it, and she was unable to dodge matatas mud when teaching aang how to bend. Every fight toph has gotten into has been fought on tophs domain the ground. She has never fought anything from the air. Hell actually in ba sing see they had a trap set up for her that was connected to the house and she couldn't sense that, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt in both cases because she didn't learn metal bending yet. But now we move on to her sand bending vision is fuzzy that I'd all on that. The thing about toph is that she doesn't need to sense fire all she need to do is sense the movements of her opponents to know where everything is going because they fight aimed in her direction. Sure if something where to be picked up from the ground and thrown at here de could sense it but if something where to be picked up from the ground for an extended period of time she would not be able to sense it anymore, hence he in ability to sense the air ships in the second raid and needing soka to point one out for her.

[Guest]

Ok so that explains why she was unable to block the championship belt from hitting her when they first met which we all agree is made from metal and has purified earth in it, and she was unable to dodge matatas mud when teaching aang how to bend. Every fight toph has gotten into has been fought on tophs domain the ground. She has never fought anything from the air. Hell actually in ba sing see they had a trap set up for her that was connected to the house and she couldn't sense that, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt in both cases because she didn't learn metal bending yet. But now we move on to her sand bending vision is fuzzy that I'd all on that. The thing about toph is that she doesn't need to sense fire all she need to do is sense the movements of her opponents to know where everything is going because they fight aimed in her direction. Sure if something where to be picked up from the ground and thrown at here de could sense it but if something where to be picked up from the ground for an extended period of time she would not be able to sense it anymore, hence he in ability to sense the air ships in the second raid and needing soka to point one out for her.

My explanation: It's not a skill she had towards the start. Just like everyone else, they all learned and improved through their journey, so this skill isn't exactly something thst just happens. She likely disn't originate with the skill, much like sand bending (which she learned and mastered) or Metal bending (which she pioneered). Next, this would be much like Spider Sense, you can tell something is happening, but not exactly what and as such things she can't directly sense she can't tell. A wave of fire can be shot with 9ne forward thrust, instead of a sweeping motion, and reguardless of the movement, she wouldn't be able to tell what the shape of the fire is.Also, as I said,it likely becomes fuzzed and harder to identify the farther it gets out, when high in the sky, like blimps should be, they are likely out of her range od sense. Using that as a way of justifying her sense as inaccurate is like saying that just because someone can't see clearly after a fair distance away thst there is no way they would be able to see a beam of energy heading towards them since its source is out of our range of site.

[decisivesora123 39]

My explanation: It's not a skill she had towards the start. Just like everyone else, they all learned and improved through their journey, so this skill isn't exactly something thst just happens. She likely disn't originate with the skill, much like sand bending (which she learned and mastered) or Metal bending (which she pioneered). Next, this would be much like Spider Sense, you can tell something is happening, but not exactly what and as such things she can't directly sense she can't tell. A wave of fire can be shot with 9ne forward thrust, instead of a sweeping motion, and reguardless of the movement, she wouldn't be able to tell what the shape of the fire is.Also, as I said,it likely becomes fuzzed and harder to identify the farther it gets out, when high in the sky, like blimps should be, they are likely out of her range od sense. Using that as a way of justifying her sense as inaccurate is like saying that just because someone can't see clearly after a fair distance away thst there is no way they would be able to see a beam of energy heading towards them since its source is out of our range of site.

I never said she had the skill from the start I actually even acknowledged that she hadn't learned metal bending. Next she hasn't mastered sand bending making a sand sculpture or ba sing aw does not in anyway mean she mastered it.Next a spidy sense would be able to tell something is happening somewhere around you and it is a threat. Toph can only feel something and if it is a threat if the earth around her changes.3rd I am pretty sure that if the blimps had been on the ground when they first made it to the island she would have been able to sense them, the fact that it was in the air is the reason she can't sense them. She was able to sense a cavern deep in ba sing se, I am pretty sure she can sense landed blimps never once, did I say he vision is in accurate, Actually you can't even call vision accurate or in accurate, especially since she sense the earth, it is definitely "accurate". Arguing how inaccurate and accurate he vision is, Is more pointless than arguing if a level 99 sora could beat a shadow. We know how accurate her vision is, but her ability to see thing in the sky is not, for lack of a better word, great, if existent. I can granty if some one where to throw a rock at her 6 feet away from her she would be unable to sense it 2 seconds after thrown at her, I also see that you did not say anything about my mud fight argument.

[Guest]

I never said she had the skill from the start I actually even acknowledged that she hadn't learned metal bending. Next she hasn't mastered sand bending making a sand sculpture or ba sing aw does not in anyway mean she mastered it.Next a spidy sense would be able to tell something is happening somewhere around you and it is a threat. Toph can only feel something and if it is a threat if the earth around her changes.3rd I am pretty sure that if the blimps had been on the ground when they first made it to the island she would have been able to sense them, the fact that it was in the air is the reason she can't sense them. She was able to sense a cavern deep in ba sing se, I am pretty sure she can sense landed blimps never once, did I say he vision is in accurate, Actually you can't even call vision accurate or in accurate, especially since she sense the earth, it is definitely "accurate". Arguing how inaccurate and accurate he vision is, Is more pointless than arguing if a level 99 sora could beat a shadow. We know how accurate her vision is, but her ability to see thing in the sky is not, for lack of a better word, great, if existent. I can granty if some one where to throw a rock at her 6 feet away from her she would be unable to sense it 2 seconds after thrown at her, I also see that you did not say anything about my mud fight argument.

...I'm not even going to argue with you at this point, considering how wrong you are. Being able to construct a perfect replica of an entire city in a single move out of sand, down to facial features dosen't count as mastery? OK, brilliant, it's not like that takes control or skill or tallent to do anyway, I'm certian any earth bender can just come along and do that. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

[Shulk 8,623]

Am I the only one who's asking why this matters in the first place? You really can't compare two different universes. What's normal in one universe is overpowered in another. It's pointless to do so.

 

And yes, I know this was one of those stupid Death Battle things or whatever, but I still don't see a point in trying to compare characters who follow entirely different rules in their respective universes.

[decisivesora123 39]

...I'm not even going to argue with you at this point, considering how wrong you are. Being able to construct a perfect replica of an entire city in a single move out of sand, down to facial features dosen't count as mastery? OK, brilliant, it's not like that takes control or skill or tallent to do anyway, I'm certian any earth bender can just come along and do that. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

I would love for you to point out where i am wrong please, educate me on your points, keeping in mind that more than likely videos you have seen online about what these people can do are what other people believe they can do, unless the person who said they can do this is a creator, it can't be proven. the only things we know for sure come from watching the anime. second yes i am saying that just because she can make a sculpture out a sad she hasn't trully mastered it, mastery means there is no room for improvements, she has a shit ton of space for improvements. she is able to feel the building around her while she was there so she was able to reconstruct what she felt, if the original masters, who are also blind wanted to they could do the same, if there was another blind bender i pretty damn sure they could do the same. people with vision are limited by what they can she on the outside, toph can see the structure of things for the whole. If you think she can control sand any bit as we as garra who was born with the ability you are one some type of extra high and you should give me two of what ever you are taking.