KHBbS BBS: pyrrhic victory for Terra,Aqua, Ventus?

[Yelow Lanturn 15 10]

After all of the events that lead up to KH3, reexaming the past to study the future events has always fascinated me. Especially when it comes to the story of BBS. I came too realize that although the the three heroes manage to stop Xehanort creating the X-Blade, all of them payed a terrible price for their actions and over all effect on the Xehanort Saga.

 

For those who don't know what a pyrrhic victory is, it is a victory where the costs of achieving said victory was so devastating that is dismisses or hollows out the prospect of satisfaction from the win. Over the course of playing all the character stories and the final episode, the stories of all three of them seem to fall in line with the definition.

 

Ventus: heart was split and formed his dark counterpart Vanitas, after the power of dues ex Mach---- I mean Sora's heart ( pun on nomura logic) his heart is resorted and becomes full of light. Then is coup up in the land of departure for a couple years in order to built back strength in order to eventually fight with Vanitas. They do merge and fought inside the heart of Ventus/Vanitas until Ventus wins but his hear t becomes severely damaged, leaving him in a cosmatos state u till his heart is repaired by staying within Sora for 10+ years.

 

Terra: goal of Keyblade master and power obsession catches Master Xehanort attention. His fear of Darkness that lurks inside of him is exploited throughout his journey. Not helping that he accidentally helps some villians and is constantly wronged for trying to do the right thing ( I blame this "trusting idiot" persona on BBS's writing), eventually is played against Eraqus on trump up fear mongering and lies, played a part in his demise, although he defats Xehanort in combat, he gets his body stolen and his lingering Will resided in the Keyblade Graveyard for 11 years until Sora encounters and faces off in combat.

 

Aqua: despite her well deserved Master status, it causes a rift between Terra and Ventus for different reasons. Mostly played clean up for Terra's or Vetnus's Screw ups. Faced of against both friends at the clash as both were possessed by forces of Darknesses. Her fate becomes somewhat of a short term gain long term loss. Because her saving Terranort ( when Terra was about to break free of Xehanort's control) indirectly caused the invasion of the Heartless, Crearion of Organization 13 and the nobodies, and the Heartless and Nobody of Terranort causing trouble with Sora and his friends. A bit of a slippery slope yes, but not nessecarly a false dilemma.

 

Master Xehanort said it best " the broken boy who failed to be the blade, the misguided master who sacrificed herself for a friend, and the feckless youth who became my new vessel". Despite there victoies, the costs of achieving them were too high and led to the unfortunate implications leader down the series.

Edited March 6, 2015 by Yelow Lanturn 15

[hatok 6,413]

BBS never really pretended any of them 'won' just that they didn't lose as much as they could have

and quite frankly, considering it's all going t work out fine in KH3 how harsh their sacrifice was is irrelevant, since it'll inevitably be undone

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

Nothing they did was any kind of victory anyway; DDD tells us that MX's plans in BBS were flawed from the beginning- he says himself he was never going to be able to truly recreate the X-blade using just Ventus, he needs the seven lights and thirteen darknesses to do it. Even if TAV "failed", MX wouldn't have been able to access Kingdom Hearts.

 

(One of my favorite parts of DDD is how the story somehow manages to ruin every other games' story- that's a special kind of shit writing right there.)

[hatok 6,413]

Nothing they did was any kind of victory anyway; DDD tells us that MX's plans in BBS were flawed from the beginning- he says himself he was never going to be able to truly recreate the X-blade using just Ventus, he needs the seven lights and thirteen darknesses to do it. Even if TAV "failed", MX wouldn't have been able to access Kingdom Hearts.

 

(One of my favorite parts of DDD is how the story somehow manages to ruin every other games' story- that's a special kind of shit writing right there.)

I want to give this post a second like for that final bit

[Yelow Lanturn 15 10]

Nothing they did was any kind of victory anyway; DDD tells us that MX's plans in BBS were flawed from the beginning- he says himself he was never going to be able to truly recreate the X-blade using just Ventus, he needs the seven lights and thirteen darknesses to do it. Even if TAV "failed", MX wouldn't have been able to access Kingdom Hearts. (One of my favorite parts of DDD is how the story somehow manages to ruin every other games' story- that's a special kind of shit writing right there.)

What??? So they had paid a terrible price, all for nothing?

[Dave 5,715]

What??? So they had paid a terrible price, all for nothing?

 

Basically, Nomura's way of making Xehanort look like a good villain is to do it at the expense of the players, making them feel like every sense of accomplishment they ever had was hollow.

[Yelow Lanturn 15 10]

Basically, Nomura's way of making Xehanort look like a good villain is to do it at the expense of the players, making them feel like every sense of accomplishment they ever had was hollow.

(beserk meter intensifies). I thought recoded had the worst story, but no, undoing past achievements will past that mark.

[7 and 13 Ingredients 27]

I love Birth By Sleep. My favorite Kingdom Hearts game in gameplay and story. But the game to me, is self-contained. I don't care what Dream Drop Distance or KH3 says , BBS will always be its own story to me, just because of the brilliant characters and fights. Even after the shitty sequals I'll still play BBS and cry like a little nerd when Aqua jumps after Terranort in the final episode.

 

:c

[outbackjim21 83]

Nothing they did was any kind of victory anyway; DDD tells us that MX's plans in BBS were flawed from the beginning- he says himself he was never going to be able to truly recreate the X-blade using just Ventus, he needs the seven lights and thirteen darknesses to do it. Even if TAV "failed", MX wouldn't have been able to access Kingdom Hearts. (One of my favorite parts of DDD is how the story somehow manages to ruin every other games' story- that's a special kind of shit writing right there.)

Not really, xehanort knew it was flawed, but like yen sid said, he is man who will leave many roads open. The ventus-vanitas x-blade was just a shortcut that if it happened to work then great, but the main plan,if it didnt work would just be to go to the 13 vs 7 WHICH he was already putting into motion in the very same game by having maleficent track down the 7 princesses and also gaining access to 8 potential darknesses while also gaining a new body. And unless we see what would have happened if ventus-vanitas truly fused and tried to awaken kingdom hearts, we can never be too sure as to whether or not it would be an abyssal failure. Xehanorts a scientist who will try any method to get him the results he desires. And in the end, BBS was meant to set up his 13v7 plan all along, and aqua terra and ven definitely elongated the time table necessary for xehanorts plans to come to fruition. So yes, they did win, they set things up so that a future generation would take up the helm to defend the realm of light and they prevented the darkness from having an immediate victory, but it was at too great of a cost seeing as they have been separated/isolated for over a decade.

[Smithee 327]

Basically, Nomura's way of making Xehanort look like a good villain is to do it at the expense of the players, making them feel like every sense of accomplishment they ever had was hollow.

 

Dear Nomura,

 

When your upcoming climax is being delayed for several years, the most pragmatic thing to do is ease your fans over until then, not incense them more than ever and risk too much fandom burnout for said climax to sell well.

Edited March 24, 2015 by Alan Smithee