Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) no checkpoints means if you die you're starting the entire thing over but hey, here's a way to test your theory. Load up a copy of KH2. Any version now play the battle of 1000 Heartless 100 times if you found that enjoyable, then... you're one of very few Except it won't be like the battle of 1,000 Heartless. More more tactics. more opportunities for different moves. I don't claim to know exactly how they'll strike a balance between challenge, fun and length of time, but I'm sure they can do it. I think you're vastly underestimating Square's capabilities. Edited February 2, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
khoathkeeper13 429 Posted February 2, 2015 Okay but what if there's some kind of scene that puts Sora into a permanent drive form or something? Beating the crap out of everything in Final form sounds awesome. And 10,000 might be a little too much but I'd like more than 1,000 if there is a big fight like this. Although really that just depends on the type of enemies. As long as there's a pretty good mix of enemies I think it'll be fun. Just not 1000 knights and robot guys again... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted February 2, 2015 You just argue for the sake of of arguing don't you? tat or when people insist I'm wrong without any reasonable evidnce Except it won't be like the battle of 1,000 Heartless. More more tactics. more opportunities for different moves. I don't claim to know exactly how they'll strike a balance between challenge, fun and length of time, but I'm sure they can do it. I think you're vastly underestimating Square's capabilities. Then it'll take EVEN LONGER A battle lasting an hour is something you save for the final boss or a secret boss, going beyond that is ridiculous This has nothing to do with anybodies skills, it's about the limitations of a human being. A required multi hour challenging battle with no check points is not something the average player wants. Okay but what if there's some kind of scene that puts Sora into a permanent drive form or something? Beating the crap out of everything in Final form sounds awesome. And 10,000 might be a little too much but I'd like more than 1,000 if there is a big fight like this. Although really that just depends on the type of enemies. As long as there's a pretty good mix of enemies I think it'll be fun. Just not 1000 knights and robot guys again... Like I said before, if they cheat, there are ways to make it work. Personally I like my idea of enemy bases. Like Sora rushes through an area beating a bunch of enemies, reaches the core, blows up the base, and your kill score SKYROKETS 1 Sendou Aichi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) tat or when people insist I'm wrong without any reasonable evidnce Then it'll take EVEN LONGER A battle lasting an hour is something you save for the final boss or a secret boss, going beyond that is ridiculous This has nothing to do with anybodies skills, it's about the limitations of a human being. A required multi hour challenging battle with no check points is not something the average player wants. Like I said before, if they cheat, there are ways to make it work. Personally I like my idea of enemy bases. Like Sora rushes through an area beating a bunch of enemies, reaches the core, blows up the base, and your kill score SKYROKETS What I'm saying it this happens just before the final series of boss fights, so it fits. That actually sounds more boring and cheat-like to me, or like something that belongs in a Gummi Mission. Edited February 2, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
khoathkeeper13 429 Posted February 2, 2015 tat or when people insist I'm wrong without any reasonable evidnce Then it'll take EVEN LONGER A battle lasting an hour is something you save for the final boss or a secret boss, going beyond that is ridiculous This has nothing to do with anybodies skills, it's about the limitations of a human being. A required multi hour challenging battle with no check points is not something the average player wants. Like I said before, if they cheat, there are ways to make it work. Personally I like my idea of enemy bases. Like Sora rushes through an area beating a bunch of enemies, reaches the core, blows up the base, and your kill score SKYROKETS Okay I like the base idea as long as there's literally enemies everywhere around the bases. Maybe a bunch of them using long range attacks while others attempt to swarm around Sora. The number could just make it difficult to get close making it less like a cheat. And if you really wanted you could still beat up all the enemies swarming you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted February 2, 2015 Okay I like the base idea as long as there's literally enemies everywhere around the bases. Maybe a bunch of them using long range attacks while others attempt to swarm around Sora. The number could just make it difficult to get close making it less like a cheat. And if you really wanted you could still beat up all the enemies swarming you. picture this with me: Sora's running through a narrow corridor, all around him there are Shadow heartless, so many you can't see the floor. Maybe Sora also has two other keyblades floating behind him. Maybe. Every time you attack, Sora doesn't break pace, so you can plow through Shadows. Meanwhile, in the balconies above some archer Heartless are firing on you, and Soldiers and maybe some other varieties of Heartless. And maybe sometimes special Heartless show up that if attacked the right away trigger a special move, like firing an energy beam. Then you reach the core, escape, and it blows up, netting you thousands of kills 2 khoathkeeper13 and Sendou Aichi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted February 2, 2015 picture this with me: Sora's running through a narrow corridor, all around him there are Shadow heartless, so many you can't see the floor. Maybe Sora also has two other keyblades floating behind him. Maybe. Every time you attack, Sora doesn't break pace, so you can plow through Shadows. Meanwhile, in the balconies above some archer Heartless are firing on you, and Soldiers and maybe some other varieties of Heartless. And maybe sometimes special Heartless show up that if attacked the right away trigger a special move, like firing an energy beam. Then you reach the core, escape, and it blows up, netting you thousands of kills Hmm. I don't think I'd get the same satisfaction from blowing up a core as I would from actually smacking thousands of enemies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted February 2, 2015 Hmm. I don't think I'd get the same satisfaction from blowing up a core as I would from actually smacking thousands of enemies. have you already finished playing the battle of 1000 Heartless 100 times yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadpool 1,200 Posted February 2, 2015 Having a few allies alongside you while fighting waves and waves of various enemies from the series would be amazing. Maybe it could be during the Keyblade war? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) have you already finished playing the battle of 1000 Heartless 100 times yet? That battle was always fun for me, but it was always kind of easy that's why I want a bugger, harder one. Oh, here's and idea for the 100,00 battle. remember that flying Heartless swarm? What if some of the waves where like that and you had to get above them to smack them around and when the HP is gone it counts as 20 kills? But the HP bar is a long one. I think one full HP bar Like the length end game bosses have but singular would be enough for that to not take forever. Edited February 2, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted February 2, 2015 That battle was always fun for me, but it was always kind of easy that's why I want a bugger, harder one. Oh, here's and idea for the 100,00 battle. remember that flying Heartless swarm? What if some of the waves where like that and you had to get above them to smack them around and when the HP is gone it counts as 20 kills? But the HP bar is a long one. I think one full HP bar Like the length end game bosses have but singular would be enough for that to not take forever. then it's either not really 100,000, or there's so much health that it makes no difference and I'm still curious if you think it'll be fun to do the battle of 1000 heartless 100 times in a row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) then it's either not really 100,000, or there's so much health that it makes no differenceand I'm still curious if you think it'll be fun to do the battle of 1000 heartless 100 times in a rowWell your way isn't actually 100,000 either.I'd probably get more aggravated by having to reload the game 100 times than the actual battle. Edited February 2, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted February 2, 2015 Well your way isn't actually 100,000 either.I'd probably get more aggravated by having to reload the game 100 times than the actual battle. my way is't 100,000 because I know that it's not practical to have a person fight 100,000 enemies without cheating If reloading's a problem, use an emulator and save state Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) my way is't 100,000 because I know that it's not practical to have a person fight 100,000 enemies without cheating If reloading's a problem, use an emulator and save state I have no idea how to use an emulator. And when you think about it, the battle of 1,000 Heartless wasn't really 1,00 either, because even without RCs you usually wind up taking out several at once. Edited February 2, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anti-SOLDIER 68 Posted February 2, 2015 I understand where Hatok is coming from. 100,000 or even 10,000 is a bit too much. It'll be the same, repetitive process of doing the same combos and reaction commands over and over again for a very long time. Having that many enemies would mean that the enemies would HAVE to be ridiculously weak for you to defeat them in a reasonable time, which wouldn't be very exciting. It would be better to face a smaller group of tougher Nobodies than a large group of weak Nobodies. You would be getting the same amount of satisfaction defeating 1,000 instead of 10,000 And if not, hopefully post game you'll be able to do some coliseum challenge that increases the number to 10,000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omega Ness 112 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I don't think you should fight any 1000 Nobodies. They aren't that important right now, and all Nobodies are too annoying to fight, while the Heartless just stood there. All Nobodies are already literally so annoying to fight to regular groups. In a 1000 battle, even with waves, no thanks. Dusks, Dancers, Creepers, Berserkers...cheeeeeee... X-X I kind of wanted a 1000 Shadow Heartless, but I don't think that would happen. Edited February 2, 2015 by Omega Ness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted February 2, 2015 I don't think you should fight any 1000 Nobodies. They aren't that important right now, and all Nobodies are too annoying to fight, while the Heartless just stood there. All Nobodies are already literally so annoying to fight to regular groups. In a 1000 battle, even with waves, no thanks. Dusks, Dancers, Creepers, Berserkers...cheeeeeee... X-X I kind of wanted a 1000 Shadow Heartless, but I don't think that would happen. it could work in the Realm of Darkness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyrostarninja 9 Posted February 2, 2015 I didnt like the battle of 1000 heartless! NO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AuraAce 1,126 Posted February 2, 2015 i think a mix battle between Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed, and Nightmares would probably be too much for people to handle in the beginning @ _______________ @'but then after a few seconds it would be so AWESOME!! Even better. The Heartless, Nobodies and Unversed would be fighting AMONG ONE ANOTHER while fighting you. 2 gingienator and Omega Ness reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omega Ness 112 Posted February 3, 2015 Even better. The Heartless, Nobodies and Unversed would be fighting AMONG ONE ANOTHER while fighting you. Like in Kid Icarus Uprising where the Forces of Nature and Underworld Troops fight one another? And the Auron fight the Underworld?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
decisivesora123 39 Posted February 4, 2015 Everyone that says a team of heartless, unversed, nobodies, and nightmare dream eaters would be to much, all i am hearing is, you are scared of a little challange. i doubt you will face anything other than dusks, shadows, neo shadows, the little unverse i forgot there name, and something small from 3D which i never played. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites