KH2 sora crys when he go to to tower

[sora473 36]

sora crys thats roxas saying bye when you frist start playing as sora

[hatok 6,413]

Because Roxas was very invested in those people he met on one mission and played hit a ball with a stick with

[Sorarocks93 678]

Because Roxas was very invested in those people he met on one mission and played hit a ball with a stick with

Lolwut?

[hatok 6,413]

Lolwut?

Roxas only interacted with Hayner Pence and Ollette once

[WakingDawn96 1,166]

Roxas only interacted with Hayner Pence and Ollette once

Actually it's more of the lines he has fake memories of him and the data version of his friends in Twilight Town, since he was mainly wiped clean of his memories at first about what happened in Days and he only remembered what Diz made him remember in Diz's data world of Twilight Town at the beginning, but after the organization found him, Roxas slowly got his memories back, but he still felt close to the Data Twilight Town in his heart, and yes Roxas had a heart at this point because of what is explained in 3D, and felt like he was losing some really good friends when Sora says goodbye to them. That is why Sora cried, because Roxas was crying inside Sora.

[hatok 6,413]

Actually it's more of the lines he has fake memories of him and the data version of his friends in Twilight Town, since he was mainly wiped clean of his memories at first about what happened in Days and he only remembered what Diz made him remember in Diz's data world of Twilight Town at the beginning, but after the organization found him, Roxas slowly got his memories back, but he still felt close to the Data Twilight Town in his heart, and yes Roxas had a heart at this point because of what is explained in 3D, and felt like he was losing some really good friends when Sora says goodbye to them. That is why Sora cried, because Roxas was crying inside Sora.

except eventually Roxas got his true memories back and is able to differentiate the digital ones from the real ones. He even tries to destroy the computer that trapped him, which would in essence kill all the citizens of Digital Twilight Town

[WakingDawn96 1,166]

except eventually Roxas got his true memories back and is able to differentiate the digital ones from the real ones. He even tries to destroy the computer that trapped him, which would in essence kill all the citizens of Digital Twilight Town

I think that Roxas actually still felt close to the data world because it is what he knew best, and I don't think all his memories came back to him enough to smash the computer to destroy the fake world, I think he just wanted to make the confusion end and that maybe the computer was a way of doing it. But even if I were in his situation and I had my full memories back, that I would still miss the world that I had been living in even if it was fake.

[hatok 6,413]

I think that Roxas actually still felt close to the data world because it is what he knew best, and I don't think all his memories came back to him enough to smash the computer to destroy the fake world, I think he just wanted to make the confusion end and that maybe the computer was a way of doing it. But even if I were in his situation and I had my full memories back, that I would still miss the world that I had been living in even if it was fake.

by the time Roxas fought Axel he had all his memories, as indicated by him regaining Oathkeeper and Oblivion

[DevilSpooky 77]

except eventually Roxas got his true memories back and is able to differentiate the digital ones from the real ones. He even tries to destroy the computer that trapped him, which would in essence kill all the citizens of Digital Twilight Town

 

Yes they where digital but they where still real, digital people can get hearts, we know that, Data Sora and Data Riku have hearts, so does Tron. And if they have hearts, and if Roxas has an heart then they have memories shared between them, their hearts are linked, seeing the real Hayner and the gang made him connect with the data versions of themselves, even the real Hayner, Pence and Ollete felt sadness by seeing Sora going away, because their existance where connected with their Data versions, and Sora was connected with Roxas, so their hearts where connected with each other and thus Sora cryed.

[Sorarocks93 678]

by the time Roxas fought Axel he had all his memories, as indicated by him regaining Oathkeeper and Oblivion

Fake memories or not, they still are memories in his heart. It's the exact same as with Sora. He knew those memories were fake at the end of CoM but he still felt sad as hell.

[hatok 6,413]

Yes they where digital but they where still real, digital people can get hearts, we know that, Data Sora and Data Riku have hearts, so does Tron. And if they have hearts, and if Roxas has an heart then they have memories shared between them, their hearts are linked, seeing the real Hayner and the gang made him connect with the data versions of themselves, even the real Hayner, Pence and Ollete felt sadness by seeing Sora going away, because their existance where connected with their Data versions, and Sora was connected with Roxas, so their hearts where connected with each other and thus Sora cryed.

Fake memories or not, they still are memories in his heart. It's the exact same as with Sora. He knew those memories were fake at the end of CoM but he still felt sad as hell.

That's how Sora views things, not Roxas

again, I direct you to Roxas being okay with essentially killing all the people in Digital Twiligh tTown

[Sorarocks93 678]

That's how Sora views things, not Roxas

again, I direct you to Roxas being okay with essentially killing all the people in Digital Twiligh tTown

And how did he know it was going to happen? Infact, how did he exist in that Digital TT if the computer was destroyed? I mean, if you destroy the computer, wouldn't the entire thing be destroyed anyway?

 

Also you say. "That's how Sora views things, not Roxas". Well he clearly doesn't if he cries through Sora. And infact, when you defeat him in TWTNW there is a cutscene where he speaks with Axel and remembers of the fun times he had with Hayner, Pence and Olette.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Roxas didn't destroy Digital Twilight Town. He beat up a computer within Digital Twilight Town that resembles the computer that holds Digital Twilight Town. If it was destroyed, Sora and co. couldn't have traveled to it near the end. (Don't ask why there's a lab in DTT that resembles the actual lab in DTT. There just is.)

 

I'm gonna give him some faith here in that if he cried, then yeah, he was close to them regardless. Sora's perspective on things tends to be what the games support. His beliefs represent the setting's ideal. So, if he believes even fake memories are valid, then chances are that's how things actually are. Roxas's fake memories of Hayner, Pence, and Olette are no less meaningful. He wouldn't have been sad if they didn't mean something to him. Plus he mentions them by name during his chat with Axel after fighting Sora -- and this is after he regains his true memories.

 

However, I will admit the fate of DTT is a loose end. If data beings can indeed grow their own hearts, then messing with DTT will being up some unfortunate implications...

[hatok 6,413]

And how did he know it was going to happen? Infact, how did he exist in that Digital TT if the computer was destroyed? I mean, if you destroy the computer, wouldn't the entire thing be destroyed anyway?

 

Also you say. "That's how Sora views things, not Roxas". Well he clearly doesn't if he cries through Sora. And infact, when you defeat him in TWTNW there is a cutscene where he speaks with Axel and remembers of the fun times he had with Hayner, Pence and Olette.

Roxas didn't destroy Digital Twilight Town. He beat up a computer within Digital Twilight Town that resembles the computer that holds Digital Twilight Town. If it was destroyed, Sora and co. couldn't have traveled to it near the end. (Don't ask why there's a lab in DTT that resembles the actual lab in DTT. There just is.)

 

I'm gonna give him some faith here in that if he cried, then yeah, he was close to them regardless. Sora's perspective on things tends to be what the games support. His beliefs represent the setting's ideal. So, if he believes even fake memories are valid, then chances are that's how things actually are. Roxas's fake memories of Hayner, Pence, and Olette are no less meaningful. He wouldn't have been sad if they didn't mean something to him. Plus he mentions them by name during his chat with Axel after fighting Sora -- and this is after he regains his true memories.

 

However, I will admit the fate of DTT is a loose end. If data beings can indeed grow their own hearts, then messing with DTT will being up some unfortunate implications...

It's not that he destroyed the town, it's that he was wiling to do it. He regained memories of being trapped by the machine, so his first response was to destroy it

Roxas doesn't really moralize like Sora does

Now note I never said that they weren't close

just that it's stupid that they are.

it's a common trend in KH, becoming friends with people you don't really have the right to call that

Edited January 31, 2015 by hatok

[Sorarocks93 678]

It's not that he destroyed the town, it's that he was wiling to do it. He regained memories of being trapped by the machine, so his first response was to destroy it

Roxas doesn't really moralize like Sora does

Now note I never said that they weren't close

just that it's stupid that they are.

it's a common trend in KH, becoming friends with people you don't really have the right to call that

That's assuming he even though it would kill them. In that exact moment he was really angry and wasn't thinking. I doubt it even crossed his mind that they would be destroyed.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

It's not that he destroyed the town, it's that he was wiling to do it. He regained memories of being trapped by the machine, so his first response was to destroy it

Roxas doesn't really moralize like Sora does

Now note I never said that they weren't close

just that it's stupid that they are.

it's a common trend in KH, becoming friends with people you don't really have the right to call that

 

That or it was a pissed-off-heat-of-the-moment type response. I never saw things that way until you brought it up, and I doubt it's what a lot of people thought either.

 

So what if people make friends stupidly easy in Kingdom Hearts? It's Kingdom Hearts. Sit back and enjoy the ride and bash stuff with giant keys.

[hatok 6,413]

That's assuming he even though it would kill them. In that exact moment he was really angry and wasn't thinking. I doubt it even crossed his mind that they would be destroyed.

at that point he knew it was the reason he had fake memories of Twilight Town, what else would he think would happen when he tried destroying it?

 

That or it was a pissed-off-heat-of-the-moment type response. I never saw things that way until you brought it up, and I doubt it's what a lot of people thought either.

 

So what if people make friends stupidly easy in Kingdom Hearts? It's Kingdom Hearts. Sit back and enjoy the ride and bash stuff with giant keys.

but that's exactly what we're talking about, Roxas hit the computer with a giant key, he completely disregards the lives of others. He's a menace to society

[Sorarocks93 678]

at that point he knew it was the reason he had fake memories of Twilight Town, what else would he think would happen when he tried destroying it?

 

but that's exactly what we're talking about, Roxas hit the computer with a giant key, he completely disregards the lives of others. He's a menace to society

Well, he was born like a year before that. I don't suspect hes a computer wiz. Infact I don't think the word computer means anything to him. He only knows it made him go to that place. 

[Dracozombie 4,554]

at that point he knew it was the reason he had fake memories of Twilight Town, what else would he think would happen when he tried destroying it?

 

but that's exactly what we're talking about, Roxas hit the computer with a giant key, he completely disregards the lives of others. He's a menace to society

 

I mean, if you insist on reading into it like that I can't say much to stop you. Everyone gets their own interpretation. It's just the first time I've ever seen this one.

[hatok 6,413]

Well, he was born like a year before that. I don't suspect hes a computer wiz. Infact I don't think the word computer means anything to him. He only knows it made him go to that place. 

he doesn't need to know how computers work. he could think it's a world, and it change dhis memories through magic, smashing it still means destroying the world

 

I mean, if you insist on reading into it like that I can't say much to stop you. Everyone gets their own interpretation. It's just the first time I've ever seen this one.

I didn't really do any interpretation

[Sorarocks93 678]

he doesn't need to know how computers work. he could think it's a world, and it change dhis memories through magic, smashing it still means destroying the world

 

I didn't really do any interpretation

That's just grasping at straws. The only thing he knows, is that, that computer was used by DiZ to put him there and since he hated DiZ this was his first course of action.

Besides, even if he knew that it would destroy the word, he also knew that they were all fake.

Also, we already know he cares, otherwise he wouldn't miss the gang. 

 

PS: Yes I know I respond too fast to the comments

[hatok 6,413]

That's just grasping at straws. The only thing he knows, is that, that computer was used by DiZ to put him there and since he hated DiZ this was his first course of action.

Besides, even if he knew that it would destroy the word, he also knew that they were all fake.

Also, we already know he cares, otherwise he wouldn't miss the gang. 

 

PS: Yes I know I respond too fast to the comments

if he knew they were fake, and viewed them as such, he wouldn't have an emotional attachment

as with most things, the problem is 358/2 Days

Taken on its basic merits in KH2, we can assume it's just a bleed over from Roxas' fake memories making Sora feel that way. But Days comes in and gives Roxas a REAL interaction with the gang, which should supersede his fake memories once regained

[DevilSpooky 77]

if he knew they were fake, and viewed them as such, he wouldn't have an emotional attachment

as with most things, the problem is 358/2 Days

Taken on its basic merits in KH2, we can assume it's just a bleed over from Roxas' fake memories making Sora feel that way. But Days comes in and gives Roxas a REAL interaction with the gang, which should supersede his fake memories once regained

 

WTH are you even talking about? He didn't tried to destroy/kill anyone, he was not even in the real world for crying out loud, he never left the digital world, he never understood what the computer was, he was blinded by hatred and confusion and that was the last straw, he destroyed what was in front of him, those people, the digital ones, where important to him, he spent what, a couple of hours with the real ones, he spent 1 week with the digital ones, he bonded with them, but since the hearts of the digital gand where directly connected with the hearts of the real ones he felt sad because he was probably seeing his friends for the last time. He didn't care more about the real ones then the digital ones because they are one and the same.

[hatok 6,413]

WTH are you even talking about? He didn't tried to destroy/kill anyone, he was not even in the real world for crying out loud, he never left the digital world, he never understood what the computer was, he was blinded by hatred and confusion and that was the last straw, he destroyed what was in front of him, those people, the digital ones, where important to him, he spent what, a couple of hours with the real ones, he spent 1 week with the digital ones, he bonded with them, but since the hearts of the digital gand where directly connected with the hearts of the real ones he felt sad because he was probably seeing his friends for the last time. He didn't care more about the real ones then the digital ones because they are one and the same.

the only reason he didn't destroy them was by virtue of being in the digital world. if he wasn't, they'd be gone now

[DevilSpooky 77]

the only reason he didn't destroy them was by virtue of being in the digital world. if he wasn't, they'd be gone now

 

No, they wouldn't, they would still be alive in the real world, they are extensions of the real people, the hearts of the digital versions and the real versions are complements of each other, that's why the real ones felt sad when Sora left, because their hearts resonated with Sora's, Roxas's and the digital versions of themselves.