Legitimate plot holes

[Drones 58]

You don't need to be that fluent in Japanese to discover it's a translation error heck there are hundreds of subbed cutscenes on youtube.And even without those a little cultural background will get you through

 

Yeah he barely just dodged a bullet LOL.

 

 

It doesn't require that much fluency dude,and honestly how in the holy firetruck do you know that he did look it up on google or not?Where you sitting with him inside his room?

 

Well he took an hour to respond when he saw it the first second I posted.

 

I really want to know what "redecorating" means when the Mysterious Tower looked the exact same in both BBS and KH2 and then Donald says "Master Yen Sid lives here!?". Just what redecorating would confuse you?

Edited January 4, 2015 by Drones

[chrisora2066 26]

Another one is the mishandling of who Riku said inspired him to want to leave the island. Of course, it could also be simply said he forgot about Terra inspiring him since he was so young at the time, and Kairi replaced him in his mind.

I think its more Terra told Riku not to tell anybody and so he got very secretive about that also he was clearly trying to get with Kairi cause he knew how damn fine she would be when she was older so this was he's way of flirting a bit with her. Probably needed someone on his side to agree to eat Sora if they ran out of food as well... :PAnyway I big plot hole I've found is Mickeys letter, how did he know that if Donald and Goofy went to Traverse Town they'd find someone with a Keyblade1. The islands hadn't been destroyed2. Riku is who he would have been referring to cause he was meant to have the Keyblade. Riku was the one who opened the door and basically destroyed the islands and started using Darkness leading to him ending up in Hallow Bastion.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Yeah he barely just dodged a bullet LOL.

 

 

 

Well he took an hour to respond when he saw it the first second I posted.

 

I really want to know what "redecorating" means when the Mysterious Tower looked the exact same in both BBS and KH2 and then Donald says "Master Yen Sid lives here!?". Just what redecorating would confuse you?

There is something called REAL LIFE !Sometimes it comes in and may not allow him to respond

 

He doesn't have to respond to you at this instant nor is he inclined to respond to you at all

[Drones 58]

I have another plot hole, why doesn't Axel ask if Roxas is the nobody of Ventus even though they've met before and he and Roxas look identical, he's never met Sora so wouldn't be presume it's Ventus's nobody. Axel says he retains memories of his past self so surely he remembers meeting Ventus?

 

To be honest, this is another one you don't forget lol. A boy with a giant key comes to your world and I think they sparred? They had interaction none the less. For Axel to act oblivious to this confounds the mind.

I think its more Terra told Riku not to tell anybody and so he got very secretive about that also he was clearly trying to get with Kairi cause he knew how damn fine she would be when she was older so this was he's way of flirting a bit with her. Probably needed someone on his side to agree to eat Sora if they ran out of food as well... :PAnyway I big plot hole I've found is Mickeys letter, how did he know that if Donald and Goofy went to Traverse Town they'd find someone with a Keyblade1. The islands hadn't been destroyed2. Riku is who he would have been referring to cause he was meant to have the Keyblade. Riku was the one who opened the door and basically destroyed the islands and started using Darkness leading to him ending up in Hallow Bastion.

 

 There weren't really any plot holes in Kingdom Hearts 1. Unless Ansem retaining his human form as a Heartless counts since only Nobodies do that. I don't remember if that was explained.... I haven't read the reports in years.

[chrisora2066 26]

To be honest, this is another one you don't forget lol. A boy with a giant key comes to your world and I think they sparred? They had interaction none the less. For Axel to act oblivious to this confounds the mind.

Regardless of if he had a giant Key or not your not going to remember him well after 10 years. They hung out for an hour. You can't honestly tell me you've met people 10 years ago and never had contact with them or seen them since you remember them.

There weren't really any plot holes in Kingdom Hearts 1. Unless Ansem retaining his human form as a Heartless counts since only Nobodies do that. I don't remember if that was explained.... I haven't read the reports in years.

I just sort of realised this one recently enough unless being a Keyblade Master gives you power to detect wielders in other worlds. Anyway there's no reason for Mickey to have known the goings on of Destiny Islands or its inhabitants.

[Drones 58]

Regardless of if he had a giant Key or not your not going to remember him well after 10 years. They hung out for an hour. You can't honestly tell me you've met people 10 years ago and never had contact with them or seen them since you remember them.I just sort of realised this one recently enough unless being a Keyblade Master gives you power to detect wielders in other worlds. Anyway there's no reason for Mickey to have known the goings on of Destiny Islands or its inhabitants.

 

10 years is only a long time to infants and even if he forgot, he should have seen dejavu.

[Key Sharkz 69]

Given how convoluted the stories of these games get, and how they borrow from so many different other stories and Disney products, plotholes are almost inevitable, especially when you make so many prequel games. I pay little mind to it because honestly the story isn't meant  to be THAT examined, if you want to get technical about it, Aerith should be dead and the whole fight with Sephiroth and Cloud makes no sense then.

[Drones 58]

Given how convoluted the stories of these games get, and how they borrow from so many different other stories and Disney products, plotholes are almost inevitable, especially when you make so many prequel games. I pay little mind to it because honestly the story isn't meant  to be THAT examined, if you want to get technical about it, Aerith should be dead and the whole fight with Sephiroth and Cloud makes no sense then.

 

Why would Aerith be dead? I played FFVII 8 years ago but can't seem to make the connection..

[Key Sharkz 69]

Why would Aerith be dead? I played FFVII 8 years ago but can't seem to make the connection..

 

Sephiroth killed Aerith in FFVII, it's pretty much the entire reason that Cloud hates him so much. It also is why Cloud is in such a depression, and what inspires him to kill Sephiroth in the first place.Yes he recalls Sephiroth killed Zack (who is also not dead in the KH universe) but he forgot about that shortly after the experiments performed on him because Cloud believed he WAS Zack. So he would not have any knowledge of Sephiroth killing Zack, so ultimately meaning he would have no reason not to still look up to Sephiroth at this point.The entire FFVII storyline is mucked up by the KH universe to where it makes no sense, but once again: you can't look that deep into it because the original game was intended to be more child friendly so they changed a lot to make it so.

 

[chrisora2066 26]

 

Sephiroth killed Aerith in FFVII, it's pretty much the entire reason that Cloud hates him so much. It also is why Cloud is in such a depression, and what inspires him to kill Sephiroth in the first place.Yes he recalls Sephiroth killed Zack (who is also not dead in the KH universe) but he forgot about that shortly after the experiments performed on him because Cloud believed he WAS Zack. So he would not have any knowledge of Sephiroth killing Zack, so ultimately meaning he would have no reason not to still look up to Sephiroth at this point.The entire FFVII storyline is mucked up by the KH universe to where it makes no sense, but once again: you can't look that deep into it because the original game was intended to be more child friendly so they changed a lot to make it so.

 

KH isn't in the same universe as any of the FF's

[Key Sharkz 69]

KH isn't in the same universe as any of the FF's

My point exactly. It's a completely modified universe and there are bound to be plotholes.

[BlankShell 638]

Incorrect. Sora definitely as met Aqua, she even told him to be there for Riku if he ever lost his way. He has also met Terra before DDD, just unknown at the time that the person he was interacting with was Terra. Remember, the Lingering Will (Terra) fight is a canon part of the Kingdom Hearts story, much like the Xemnas fight from Kingdom Hearts I

I had forgotten about Aqua, you're right (although if we're assuming Riku had forgotten about Terra, Sora likely would have done the same for Aqua =P). Also an interesting point about the LW (I haven't gotten to the fight yet, so I'm a little hazy on the details), but since the LW doesn't necessarily have a "heart"... would Sora be able to connect to it? Heck, does Sora even know what Keyblade Armor is at this point?

[hatok 6,413]

My point exactly. It's a completely modified universe and there are bound to be plotholes.

that... what?

that makes no sense

[Key Sharkz 69]

that... what?

that makes no sense

I was pointing out the pointlessness of trying to find plotholes when the modified universe itself creates plotholes.

[hatok 6,413]

I was pointing out the pointlessness of trying to find plotholes when the modified universe itself creates plotholes.

...what?

[Key Sharkz 69]

...what?

I don't know how I can be any clearer. The universe being modified the way it is creates many numerous plotholes simply by being the way it is, therefore looking for plotholes is almost pointless because the entire game is a big plothole. The fact that 

Cloud has no actual reason to even hate Sephiroth simply because without Zack's death, Cloud was never experimented on to believe he was Zack and Sephiroth never killed Aerith. Also Sephiroth and cloud being connected makes no sense because they aren't any longer without the events of Crisis Core and FFVII.

creates a major inconsistency itself.

 

My point is there are huge jarring plotholes that exist, so looking for tiny ones such as the choice of wording on who sealed Pete away is kind of a wasted endeavor.

[hatok 6,413]

I don't know how I can be any clearer. The universe being modified the way it is creates many numerous plotholes simply by being the way it is, therefore looking for plotholes is almost pointless because the entire game is a big plothole. The fact that 

Cloud has no actual reason to even hate Sephiroth simply because without Zack's death, Cloud was never experimented on to believe he was Zack and Sephiroth never killed Aerith. Also Sephiroth and cloud being connected makes no sense because they aren't any longer without the events of Crisis Core and FFVII.

creates a major inconsistency itself.

 

My point is there are huge jarring plotholes that exist, so looking for tiny ones such as the choice of wording on who sealed Pete away is kind of a wasted endeavor.

that's... not even close to what a plot hole is

It's at best alternate continuity. A plot hole is a contradiction to the canon, and the canon of KH is different from Final Fantasy. The only FF character implied to be the same person as from the main series is Auron

[Drones 58]

I don't know how I can be any clearer. The universe being modified the way it is creates many numerous plotholes simply by being the way it is, therefore looking for plotholes is almost pointless because the entire game is a big plothole. The fact that 

Cloud has no actual reason to even hate Sephiroth simply because without Zack's death, Cloud was never experimented on to believe he was Zack and Sephiroth never killed Aerith. Also Sephiroth and cloud being connected makes no sense because they aren't any longer without the events of Crisis Core and FFVII.

creates a major inconsistency itself.

 

My point is there are huge jarring plotholes that exist, so looking for tiny ones such as the choice of wording on who sealed Pete away is kind of a wasted endeavor.

 

yeah kh and ff are in two completely different universes so... i didn't understand what you were going at, i thought this was pretty clear.

[Key Sharkz 69]

that's... not even close to what a plot hole is

It's at best alternate continuity. A plot hole is a contradiction to the canon, and the canon of KH is different from Final Fantasy. The only FF character implied to be the same person as from the main series is Auron

Actually it becomes a plothole when being an alternate universe does not explain it. Okay it's an alternate universe, so why do Sephiroth and Cloud dislike each other so much now then if FFVII never happened? It's left with no explanation. That's my point. Much is left without explanation, and the series is coated in vagueness, such as "darkness" being the reasoning for just about everything. It's going to be super easy to find plotholes when so much is left ambiguous. Hell, we hardly even know much about the realm the game is named after. My point is, there is no point in looking for plotholes when everything is so vague and alternate universes up the wazoo exist.

[hatok 6,413]

Actually it becomes a plothole when being an alternate universe does not explain it. Okay it's an alternate universe, so why do Sephiroth and Cloud dislike each other so much now then if FFVII never happened? It's left with no explanation. That's my point. Much is left without explanation, and the series is coated in vagueness, such as "darkness" being the reasoning for just about everything. It's going to be super easy to find plotholes when so much is left ambiguous. Hell, we hardly even know much about the realm the game is named after. My point is, there is no point in looking for plotholes when everything is so vague and alternate universes up the wazoo exist.

something not being explained isn't a plot hole. A plot hole is something that CAN'T be explained. For example, suppose there was a plot point in KH1 that said that if you hold a keyblade in your left hand it will explode, and then in KH2 they added dual wielding and never bothered to explain why the keyblade ddin't explode. That's a plot hole. A neglect for continuity that can't be explained away, or be assumed to have an explanation we simply haven't been shown.

Cloud hates Sephiroth, as per usual, the reason WHY isn't made clear, but it's pretty obvious that there's an ongoing plot involving them that is happening alongside Sora's story. We see bits and pieces as the games go on, the first inkling in KH1 Final Mix, a full subplot in KH2, and then the ending credits of Birth by Sleep. I'd bet good money we'll see it all come together in KH3

[MysticVriska 70]

It's also lazy writing to not have any kind of explanation as to why Nomura made Cloud's character so different from FFVII. My best guess is that in the KHverse, it's easier for people to fall prey to their inner Darkness, so it resulted him in being like that...but still, they could at least explain that, IF that is the case.....it's a shame that KH Cloud affected the Cloud of AC though. 

[AlixtheMagi13 245]

You can't forget the aging process in kingdom hearts.

You have remember how princesses like Cinderella look exactly the same in bbs that they do in kh1