Do you think Square Enix will still be able to pay Disney for the rights of their licenses?

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I think most people know better than I do that Disney's licenses as of late has gone really up in price especially after they acquired Marvel heck it's already expensive to pay for the license itself let alone devote a huge amount of resources for the development of a game

 

 

Disney has pulled the rights to use Marvel licenses from Capcom not too long ago since they weren't able to to pay for it hence why all Marvel Vs Capcom games(including MvC Origins recently) has been pulled out from PSN and Xbox Live

 

 

And while Square Enix is nowhere near the same bad situation that Capcom is in now they still had their share of financial woes during the past 4 years........

 

My question is:What's gonna happen to Kingdom Hearts if Square couldn't pay Disney for their licenses anymore?Will the series come to a halt in the middle of it's story,will Nomura rush a conclusive ending to the entire series into the Xehanort saga if that happened?Or will he seek another company to crossover with when he loses the right to use Disney's licenses after KH3?

 

 

I'm not saying that it's gonna happen but Disney wasn't kind with Capcom at all with this sort of shit,and this is one of the reasons why I don't want Marvel(Not Star Wars just Marvel) to be in KH3 or beyond cuz aside from the debated issue of it fitting into the series or not the Marvel licenses in general nowadays are so expensive and even if the game sold well it might not be enough to cover the development cost

 

 

Again,I'm not saying that any of this would happen but I think Nomura shouldn't let his guard down and should start seeking other ways to keep the series going even if without Disney even if through a plot device,Deus ex machina or a retcon he should think of something on the side to use before it's too late

[hatok 6,413]

In interviews they've mentioned Disney giving Square "unprecedented" access to their properties

So I get the feeling they have a contract that gives them blanket access or something to that effect

[Sora232323 36]

I think he would gather money from new games or crossover, but I doubt that it will get to that point due to some of SE's new games being pretty good.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 12/27/2014 at 10:09 PM, hatok said:

In interviews they've mentioned Disney giving Square "unprecedented" access to their properties

So I get the feeling they have a contract that gives them blanket access or something to that effect

Maybe but I don't think this "unprecedented" access was for free

 

Cuz Capcom when making the Marvel Vs Capcom games(even back before they were acquired by Disney) they had access to every Marvel character in the book both known ones and obscure ones but they still had to pay quite the sum of money for the licenses.

 

 

My concern is that if the series didn't reach enough profitability to cover up the developmentlicensing cost Square might either come up with an ending hastly or shut down the series all together and shift the rest of the budget into Final FantasyDragon Quest similar to the Capcom situation where they can no longer make any Marvel Vs Capcom game anymore

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/27/2014 at 10:25 PM, Smash Mega Koopa said:

Maybe but I don't think this "unprecedented" access was for free

 

Cuz Capcom when making the Marvel Vs Capcom games(even back before they were acquired by Disney) they had access to every Marvel character in the book both known ones and obscure ones but they still had to pay quite the sum of money for the licenses.

 

 

My concern is that if the series didn't reach enough profitability to cover up the developmentlicensing cost Square might either come up with an ending hastly or shut down the series all together and shift the rest of the budget into Final FantasyDragon Quest similar to the Capcom situation where they can no longer make any Marvel Vs Capcom game anymore

that's... not really the same

That's using licenses to use those characters

Kingdom Hearts is Disney making a game

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 12/27/2014 at 11:04 PM, hatok said:

that's... not really the same

That's using licenses to use those characters

Kingdom Hearts is Disney making a game

Umm....Square Enix is making the game dude not Disney,Disney pretty much gave Square the rights to use their characters and licenses as they see fit or in the case of Tron's Legacy use it to promote their movies.But there is no way they gave them access to all those movies and copyrighted materials for free buddy.

 

If Disney didn't see enough profit they can easily pull the licenses from Square and bail out of the deal if they want to.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/27/2014 at 11:09 PM, Smash Mega Koopa said:

Umm....Square Enix is making the game dude not Disney,Disney pretty much gave Square the rights to use their characters and licenses as they see fit or in the case of Tron's Legacy use it to promote their movies.But there is no way they gave them access to all those movies and copyrighted materials for free buddy.

 

If Disney didn't see enough profit they can easily pull the licenses from Square and bail out of the deal if they want to.

this isn't like putting licensed characters in a fighting game though

this is Disney making a Dsiney game, and Square Enix makes it. It's first and foremost a Disney game. The series can still end because Disney doesn't think it's profitable enough, but that won't be because of some eventual decision to not let Square Enix use their properties

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 12/28/2014 at 12:12 AM, hatok said:

this isn't like putting licensed characters in a fighting game though

this is Disney making a Dsiney game, and Square Enix makes it. It's first and foremost a Disney game. The series can still end because Disney doesn't think it's profitable enough, but that won't be because of some eventual decision to not let Square Enix use their properties

Dude all I meant is literally in the title,the question is will Square be able to keep paying Disney for their licenses?

 

Also yes it's not like putting characters into a fighting game cuz in KH's case it's much more expensive since you're not only using the characters but the entirety of the licensed materials as a whole

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/28/2014 at 12:15 AM, Smash Mega Koopa said:

Dude all I meant is literally in the title,the question is will Square be able to keep paying Disney for their licenses?

 

Also yes it's not like putting characters into a fighting game cuz in KH's case it's much more expensive since you're not only using the characters but the entirety of the licensed materials as a whole

If anybody is getting paid to make KH, it's Square Enix.

This is a case of a company being hired to make a game, not a company making a game and wanting to use an existing license

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 12/28/2014 at 12:27 AM, hatok said:

If anybody is getting paid to make KH, it's Square Enix.

This is a case of a company being hired to make a game, not a company making a game and wanting to use an existing license

Umm as far as I know it was Nomura who proposed to Disney if I remember...

[DevilSpooky 77]

Disney are the ones that comissioned Square to make the games for them, it's not a case where a game producer buys the licence and does a game based on that. That's why Disney owns everything on the IP other then the Square (FF and TWEWY) Characters. Yes Square where the ones to propose the partnership, but Disney are the ones that make the decisions.

[Green Sparrow 795]

This is... very complicated. I don't care care how many types of crossover games there are, the Kingdom Hearts series is still the only one of its kind

Short Answer: No, you don't have to worry about Square "not having enough money to pay Disney". No worries. Goodbye. Have a nice day! :)

Long Answer: Oh boy, where to begin...

Disney and Square were already talking about a potential game, and Nomura was just thinking of a new game that could reach the popularity of Disney characters. He heard what was going down, and immediately jumped on it. He didn't start the conversation, but he sure as heck got it into high gear. As far as who "officially" started it, I don't think it matters. Truly, it was just the right people, in the right place, at the right time.

 

At the beginning of every single KH game, we see all the logos, and then some writing: "Developed by Square, and copyright to Disney". Yes, Square makes Kingdom Hearts, but Disney OWNS Kingdom Hearts. Disney owns all their stuff (obviously) and anything original (Sora, Axel, Twilight Town, etc.). The only thing Square 100% owns in the game are all of the characters and names of Final Fantasy and The World Ends With You. No, Sora is not split between the two, he is entirely owned by Disney. If Square decides to drop out, KH could in theory still live on by being made by someone else without the Square characters. If Disney pulls out, Nomura will not be able to shop it around for other crossovers. It sounds harsh but makes since. Joss Whedon directed The Avengers movie, but that doesn't mean he owns it. That sort of thinking.

 

Back to your original question, I'm not sure the problem won't be because Square can't afford something (they're probably not paying anything, since Disney is the one who "hired" them). So replace the word "Square" with "Disney": Will the Disney company have enough money to pay the Disney company for the Marvel license? I'm sure they'll give themselves a discount.  :wink:

[J. Severe 1,137]

KH is one of SE's most valuable franchises, I'd think they'll always have money for it unless they're literally on the brink of bankruptcy.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/28/2014 at 3:05 AM, J. Severe said:

KH is one of SE's most valuable franchises, I'd think they'll always have money for it unless they're literally on the brink of bankruptcy.

Even then, it's second only to Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, I doubt they'd let go of it that easily