The Chances of 1.5 and 2.5 being on PS4/XBOX ONE.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 I see myself saying this a lot,not only here, but on other sites as well, so I figured I'd make a topic. While there are many topics regarding a possible port, most of them lean heavily to the side of it happening, which is understandable, the more KH the better, right? But let's be realistic here. The chances of a PS4 port are, quite frankly, very slim. Not only because because of the schedule restraints, but for another reason as well. A big one. As it stands now, porting it to the PS4 would be illegal.

 

 I don't know how it is with Microsoft, which it why I haven't mentioned the XBOX ONE yet, despite it being in the title and tags, but Sony mandates that all PS4 games receive digital copies. Square-Enix and Disney Interactive do not currently have the rights to digital versions of any of Utada Hikaru's songs. If they port it to the PS4 they will have to make a digital copy as well, the release of which would clearly violate the their contact with Utada. The only way to avoid this would be to remove her songs from the digital versions of the games entirely.

 

 You may bring up the fact that Kingdom Hearts III is releasing on PS4. Yes it is, but we don't yet know if they plan to use the songs they've been using for the past 12 years. It is likely they aren't because, as stated, doing so would entail a mandatory digital release of Hikari/Simple and Clean and/or Passion/Sanctuary. This also means that for the third game in the series, we will get a brand new opening song.

 

 I'm not a lawyer so I don't know how long licensing contract last, but until it expires they are bound by its terms. If they are allowed to retain the rights to the two specific versions of each of the four songs these provided them, then they are free to do as they please, if however the rights revert back to Utada, then they will have to get new songs anyway, which also frees them up to release the games digitally.

 

 So, until or unless the the contract expires, they decide to remove the songs from the digital copies  or they manage to renegotiate with Utada and all three parties agree to the terms, we won't be seeing Kingdom Hearts HD ReMIx collections on the PS4 any time soon.

 

 

P.S. My apologies hatok. I assure you, did not make this thread simply in reply to yours, but because I see myself saying the same thing on this subject every time it comes upon the sites I visit. 

Edited January 6, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[atheist123 583]

Can you post a link to Sony saying they won't allow disc-only games on the PS4? Thank you.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 12/13/2014 at 10:56 AM, atheist123 said:

Can you post a link to Sony saying they won't allow disc-only games on the PS4? Thank you.

I'll look, but it's pretty common knowledge by now. It was said a while ago. I honestly don't even remember where i first saw it.

Edited December 13, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[atheist123 583]

  On 12/13/2014 at 10:57 AM, Isamu_Kuno said:

I'll look, but it's pretty common knowledge by now. It was said a while ago.

 

Cool. I just don't see Sony refusing Kingdom Hearts 1.5/2.5 based off something as trivial as this...

[Dio Brando 5,810]

How about having the collections on all consoles?

 

Ps4,Xbox 360,Wii U and Xbox One

 

They shouldn't just put it on everything except one console

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 12/13/2014 at 11:03 AM, atheist123 said:

Cool. I just don't see Sony refusing Kingdom Hearts 1.5/2.5 based off something as trivial as this...

Sorry, I don't usually go to these sites so i don;t know how reliable they are, but The Guardian, Technutty and Reddit all have the article.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/feb/22/ps4-shuhei-yoshida-interview

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/191dec/all_ps4_games_will_be_available_as_digital

https://technutty.co.uk/2013/02/26/sony-ps4-titles-download-subscription-service-coming/

 

Basically it says it's the same business model they're using for the Vita.

[Sora96 17,256]

  On 12/13/2014 at 11:16 AM, Smash Mega Koopa said:

How about having the collections on all consoles?

 

Ps4,Xbox 360,Wii U and Xbox One

 

They shouldn't just put it on everything except one console

 

Maybe because the Wii U is doing poorly and the 360 is kinda dead. Not to mention there's an exclusivity contract. They must stay on Sony platforms.

[President Yoshi 313]

  On 12/13/2014 at 11:16 AM, Smash Mega Koopa said:

How about having the collections on all consoles?

 

Ps4,Xbox 360,Wii U and Xbox One

 

They shouldn't just put it on everything except one console

cuz on fanBOIS.

well i see some value making them exclusive to one or two (now that xboxone is included).

it just feels right.

[Ultimosora 159]

I hope Square does get around to porting it to PS4, then I can start saving up money for one. 

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

  On 12/13/2014 at 1:13 PM, Sora96 said:

Maybe because the Wii U is doing poorly and the 360 is kinda dead. Not to mention there's an exclusivity contract. They must stay on Sony platforms.

The Wii U doing poorly isn't even a thing any more. The console's doing extremely well right now.

[hatok 6,413]

It's the same with Xbox One, there has to be a digital version

But I mean, is it really so crazy for Square to buy the digital rights to the songs? I'm sure they'd still turn a proft, HD remasters on the consoles KH3 is comiing to will surely sell well

 

  On 12/13/2014 at 4:00 PM, Hero of Winds said:

The Wii U doing poorly isn't even a thing any more. The console's doing extremely well right now.

it's selling worse than any other console, had a full year head start, adn no prospective third party support for the foreseeable future

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

  On 12/13/2014 at 7:24 PM, hatok said:

It's the same with Xbox One, there has to be a digital versionBut I mean, is it really so crazy for Square to buy the digital rights to the songs? I'm sure they'd still turn a proft, HD remasters on the consoles KH3 is comiing to will surely sell wellit's selling worse than any other console, had a full year head start, adn no prospective third party support for the foreseeable future

That doesnt change the way their sales have been doing lately.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/13/2014 at 9:07 PM, Hero of Winds said:

That doesnt change the way their sales have been doing lately.

...still worse than the competition?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 12/13/2014 at 7:24 PM, hatok said:

It's the same with Xbox One, there has to be a digital version

But I mean, is it really so crazy for Square to buy the digital rights to the songs? I'm sure they'd still turn a proft, HD remasters on the consoles KH3 is comiing to will surely sell well

 

it's selling worse than any other console, had a full year head start, adn no prospective third party support for the foreseeable future

Square no, it's Disney that's the problem. They're the ones that refused to pay Utada what she asked to license a new song. That's why we've had the same two songs for so long.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/14/2014 at 12:35 AM, Isamu_Kuno said:

Square no, it's Disney that's the problem. They're the ones that refused to pay Utada what she asked to license a new song. That's why we've had the same two songs for so long.

yeah but that was then

this is now

Disney has changed a lot in the last two or so years when it comes to how seriously they take gaming

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 12/14/2014 at 12:38 AM, hatok said:

yeah but that was then

this is now

Disney has changed a lot in the last two or so years when it comes to how seriously they take gaming

I know, but they'd still have to get all three parties into the same room and then get them to renegotiate and agree to the new terms. I'm hoping they will reach an accord but we can't really be sure yet.

[hatok 6,413]

  On 12/14/2014 at 12:40 AM, Isamu_Kuno said:

I know, but they'd still have to get all three parties into the same room and then get them to renegotiate and agree to the new terms. I'm hoping they will reach an accord but we can't really be sure yet.

this isn't the same as getting an entire new song, it's updating an existing contract

I'm sure Disney would spring for that

[Sora96 17,256]

  On 12/13/2014 at 4:00 PM, Hero of Winds said:

The Wii U doing poorly isn't even a thing any more. The console's doing extremely well right now.

 

Not when compared to other consoles. And the few 3rd party games there are sell extremely poorly on it. The Wii U is a completely different system so 3rd party developers like Square Enix aren't going to waste their money on porting it.

[cyntix 53]

I personally don't think they will release 1.5 and 2.5 like this on ps4/one. If we think about last Nomura's interview (we don't want to ship kh3d hd alone), it is pretty obvious we are going to get a more complete compilation with DDD and maybe some bonus like a demo of KH3. Let's call this game Kingdom Hearts HD < 3 ReMIX (or another weird title ^^), because they never release the same game with the same title twice.

[MythrilMagician 6,963]

Nomura specifically stated that all the games will end up being on one console to make it easier for fans to get all the games. With the ReMIXs on PS3 and III on PS4 and XBOX ONE, that contradicts Nomura's plans. If the songs are such a problem, Utada (if she wishes to do so) can sign a new contract that gives Square Enix and Disney the right to have her songs on digital releases of the game. Solving this problem is easy, it's the people who don't look for a solution or refuse to abide by it that make it difficult. I personally prefer 1.5 and 2.5 on PS4 and XBOX ONE. Less consoles to have just for a few games. They should really solve this contract problem, or like you said, remove the songs from the digital release. Or if possible, use the Kingdom Hearts instrumental versions of her songs.

[Daxam XXI 31]

It's a possbility considering FF X/X-2 is getting ported to PS4 but as for Xbone...Uncertian.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

  On 12/13/2014 at 7:24 PM, hatok said:

It's the same with Xbox One, there has to be a digital version

But I mean, is it really so crazy for Square to buy the digital rights to the songs? I'm sure they'd still turn a proft, HD remasters on the consoles KH3 is comiing to will surely sell well

 

it's selling worse than any other console, had a full year head start, adn no prospective third party support for the foreseeable future

It's not Square that's the problem honestly, it's Disney, they didn't want to shell out the money for a new license so who knows if they'd be willing to pay her for digital.

Square may be entirely responsible for development, but Disney has their name on it so they're going to want it on their terms.

Until we hear that Utada is "in talks" with Square about an "upcoming project" (because Disney is rarely, if ever, mentioned in news about development) I'm not getting my hopes up.

I will say though, if they do manage to get something worked out, that they give KH1 a Theater Mode as right now, it's the only game that doesn't have one on any version of it.

[Kid Ryan 26]

I could see it happening for PS4 eventually, but XB1 may never get either game.