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[Firaga 5,947]

Pretty sure there was one trailer that he stood there looking terrified. Something that's significantly not Vegeta-like. And either way, we're still not seeing him do ANYTHING in these trailers aside from stand there. Even ROSHI'S done more. That's just sad.

 

Again: Seeing NOTHING from Vegeta is a very, very good sign that he's not getting any sort of special treatment during this movie, as usual. I'm highly doubting he'll get any sort of spotlight at this point. If Toriyama hadn't said back when the movie was announced "I'm thinking about letting Vegeta be the main character this time," this wouldn't be nearly as disappointing as it is now.

 

... You're... You're using kpopstarz, the source that I just told Spider is FAMOUS for posting fake, clickbait news articles, as a credible source that Vegeta's getting a new form...? I... I really don't know what to say to that. Also, if that figure set is correct with Vegeta getting a new form, we might as well say Broly will show up with a new form too, considering he also has a figure there.

 

So? That was probably taken when Beerus woke up during Vegeta and Goku's training and he started freaking out.

 

If Vegeta isn't getting a spotlight, then why was he teased to become a Super Saiyan God in BoG? Why is he training with Whis alongside Goku? Why is his power rising alongside Goku, with both of them receiving the same treatment in improving their power as told by Whis? Why is Frieza offering Vegeta to join him at his side, despite their history, and why are the implications of that scene building up to some kind of dramatic moment in the movie? Why is Vegeta even in this movie is he's "not getting the spotlight"? Vegeta is the second most important main character in the series besides Goku. Period. 

[Shulk 8,623]

So? That was probably taken when Beerus woke up during Vegeta and Goku's training and he started freaking out.

 

If Vegeta isn't getting a spotlight, then why was he teased to become a Super Saiyan God in BoG? Why is he training with Whis alongside Goku? Why is his power rising alongside Goku, with both of them receiving the same treatment in improving their power as told by Whis? Why is Frieza offering Vegeta to join him at his side, despite their history, and why are the implications of that scene building up to some kind of dramatic moment in the movie? Why is Vegeta even in this movie is he's "not getting the spotlight"? Vegeta is the second most important main character in the series besides Goku. Period. 

Because it might have just been an idea Toriyama had. That doesn't mean it would ever actually happen. He's always trained alongside Goku, but they've never been equals, and Vegeta usually has to let Goku fight when a battle gets too tough. Frieza's offering Vegeta to join him because Vegeta used to be on his side, that doesn't mean Vegeta's going to be the one in the spotlight this time around. Vegeta was in BoG, but he didn't really get the spotlight in that, either. Vegeta might be the second most important character, but he never gets the same treatment as Goku. Period.

[Firaga 5,947]

Because it might have just been an idea Toriyama had. That doesn't mean it would ever actually happen. He's always trained alongside Goku, but they've never been equals, and Vegeta usually has to let Goku fight when a battle gets too tough. Frieza's offering Vegeta to join him because Vegeta used to be on his side, that doesn't mean Vegeta's going to be the one in the spotlight this time around. Vegeta was in BoG, but he didn't really get the spotlight in that, either. Vegeta might be the second most important character, but he never gets the same treatment as Goku. Period.

 

That's because Vegeta, unlike Goku, was a spoiled brat that thought power came just by coming from a royal bloodline. He had to be pushed harder in the series because he was too stupid to understand that fighting for his pride was never going to work against Goku's philosophy of getting stronger to not only push his limits but also because he wants to protect what he cares about. Vegeta never understood that, and that's why he has constantly known failure and never being able to surpass Goku in any way. 

 

Granted, Vegeta has never let Goku fight when the battle gets tough. All those times were when there was no other choice or when he was incapacitated. He didn't let Goku fight Frieza, he was dying and had no other choice but to let Goku fight because he figured he would be the one to avenge their race (and he was). He didn't choose to let Goku recover so that he could fight the androids or Cell. He was too busy being pompous over his Super Saiyan form and letting the power go to his head, something that led to Cell becoming perfect. He didn't let Goku fight Majin Buu either; he literally KNOCKED him out so that only he could destroy Buu, the eventual clash of Goku and Buu only coming because his plan failed.

 

Now, as for current events: Vegeta and Goku are both ascending to new levels of power. Vegeta, regardless of what I think about his character deserving such power, has proven that he is perfectly capable of obtaining the power of a God in terms of fighting ability alone. His fight with Beerus in BoG shows how capable he is. He was the only one besides Goku that managed to put up a fight against Beerus and was even congratulated by Beerus for his efforts. Vegeta may not be on Goku's level, but he's dangerously close, and for the set standards of the world, that's nothing to be disappointed over.

[Shulk 8,623]

That's because Vegeta, unlike Goku, was a spoiled brat that thought power came just by coming from a royal bloodline. He had to be pushed harder in the series because he was too stupid to understand that fighting for his pride was never going to work against Goku's philosophy of getting stronger to not only push his limits but also because he wants to protect what he cares about. Vegeta never understood that, and that's why he has constantly known failure and never being able to surpass Goku in any way. 

 

Granted, Vegeta has never let Goku fight when the battle gets tough. All those times were when there was no other choice or when he was incapacitated. He didn't let Goku fight Frieza, he was dying and had no other choice but to let Goku fight because he figured he would be the one to avenge their race (and he was). He didn't choose to let Goku recover so that he could fight the androids or Cell. He was too busy being pompous over his Super Saiyan form and letting the power go to his head, something that led to Cell becoming perfect. He didn't let Goku fight Majin Buu either; he literally KNOCKED him out so that only he could destroy Buu, the eventual clash of Goku and Buu only coming because his plan failed.

 

Now, as for current events: Vegeta and Goku are both ascending to new levels of power. Vegeta, regardless of what I think about his character deserving such power, has proven that he is perfectly capable of obtaining the power of a God in terms of fighting ability alone. His fight with Beerus in BoG shows how capable he is. He was the only one besides Goku that managed to put up a fight against Beerus and was even congratulated by Beerus for his efforts. Vegeta may not be on Goku's level, but he's dangerously close, and for the set standards of the world, that's nothing to be disappointed over.

Okay, he doesn't let him, but he always has to sit back and let Goku do the work anyway. Even when they fused to take down Buu, they lost, but Goku on his own was perfectly capable of defeating Buu. That should show how little credit Vegeta gets from Toriyama. And yes, he was selfish at the beginning. However, he's clearly powerful, and could have easily taken down Goku back at the start of the series if the other Z Fighters hadn't interrupted their fight. Now, yes, it's a good thing they did, but the fact that Vegeta was nothing compared to Goku right after that is just sad.

 

It is worth being disappointed over when he gets nothing to show his development with. He never gets to show his power against an opponent, because the only one he's fought recently took him out easily. Toriyama's made it clear that he doesn't want Vegeta to be anywhere near the same level as Goku, because Vegeta's never actually shown that they're close. He's always far behind Goku. I'd say that they should have another fight to prove how close they are, but Toriyama would probably make Goku win easily with all of the new forms that he's constantly getting.

 

I'm honestly not even sure why you're so uptight over this, considering you always say Vegeta doesn't deserve to have the Super Saiyan God form anyway. You don't seem to want him to prove his strength, so I don't know why you always try to "correct" me about this in the first place. Toriyama doesn't want to make Vegeta on the same level as Goku. I figured you'd be happy about that, not always angry that I realize that.

[Firaga 5,947]

Okay, he doesn't let him, but he always has to sit back and let Goku do the work anyway. Even when they fused to take down Buu, they lost, but Goku on his own was perfectly capable of defeating Buu. That should show how little credit Vegeta gets from Toriyama. And yes, he was selfish at the beginning. However, he's clearly powerful, and could have easily taken down Goku back at the start of the series if the other Z Fighters hadn't interrupted their fight. Now, yes, it's a good thing they did, but the fact that Vegeta was nothing compared to Goku right after that is just sad.

 

It is worth being disappointed over when he gets nothing to show his development with. He never gets to show his power against an opponent, because the only one he's fought recently took him out easily. Toriyama's made it clear that he doesn't want Vegeta to be anywhere near the same level as Goku, because Vegeta's never actually shown that they're close. He's always far behind Goku. I'd say that they should have another fight to prove how close they are, but Toriyama would probably make Goku win easily with all of the new forms that he's constantly getting.

 

I'm honestly not even sure why you're so uptight over this, considering you always say Vegeta doesn't deserve to have the Super Saiyan God form anyway. You don't seem to want him to prove his strength, so I don't know why you always try to "correct" me about this in the first place. Toriyama doesn't want to make Vegeta on the same level as Goku. I figured you'd be happy about that, not always angry that I realize that.

 

Goku wasn't "perfectly capable" of defeating Buu after the Potara fusion. Both he and Vegeta were getting stomped. They pulled through because Goku decided to use the Spirit Bomb, which was Vegeta's idea by the way.

 

I'm not "angry" at anything. I don't know why you jump to that every time we discuss something. Also, I do want Vegeta to be stronger. Just not without a little development for his character thrown his way. I can't help that his actions have been mostly hand waved in favor of focusing on his popularity as a character, and I can't help that despite that, he's just always been behind Goku in terms of power. I like Vegeta. I just want him to be better as a character, because if he's going to be given a power that requires his heart to be like Goku's, he needs to show it, and I think that doing the whole "catharsis" mumbo jumbo I've gone on about for a while now is the key to doing that. But again, regardless of what I think, Vegeta obtaining this power is evident anyway, so I'm not going to argue against facts. The catharsis would just be an improvement for my tastes.

 

Also, what you need to understand is that Vegeta and Goku will never be as strong as one another, and I mean that they will never be equal to one another. A central theme in DragonBall has always been to push past your limits and to continue to become stronger. Even if there is a point where Vegeta and Goku hit a ceiling and are on the same level: so what? They'll still be continuing to become stronger regardless. Quite frankly, I've lost interest in the idea that Vegeta needs to be stronger than Goku. It misses the point of the theme I mentioned. Yes, there are times when one may overlap the other, and Vegeta has gotten the short end of the stick, but again, that was because he was a prick. However, we are beyond the point, in terms of story, of Vegeta admitting that Goku is better than him, which means only now is he walking the right path to becoming stronger in the right way. Why else did he suddenly manage to hold his own against a God of Destruction after said God hurt his wife? It's that sort of progression that is leading Vegeta towards his new path of strength. And like many paths, its a baby-step progress.

[Shulk 8,623]

Goku wasn't "perfectly capable" of defeating Buu after the Potara fusion. Both he and Vegeta were getting stomped. They pulled through because Goku decided to use the Spirit Bomb, which was Vegeta's idea by the way.

 

I'm not "angry" at anything. I don't know why you jump to that every time we discuss something. Also, I do want Vegeta to be stronger. Just not without a little development for his character thrown his way. I can't help that his actions have been mostly hand waved in favor of focusing on his popularity as a character, and I can't help that despite that, he's just always been behind Goku in terms of power. I like Vegeta. I just want him to be better as a character, because if he's going to be given a power that requires his heart to be like Goku's, he needs to show it, and I think that doing the whole "catharsis" mumbo jumbo I've gone on about for a while now is the key to doing that. But again, regardless of what I think, Vegeta obtaining this power is evident anyway, so I'm not going to argue against facts. The catharsis would just be an improvement for my tastes.

 

Also, what you need to understand is that Vegeta and Goku will never be as strong as one another, and I mean that they will never be equal to one another. A central theme in DragonBall has always been to push past your limits and to continue to become stronger. Even if there is a point where Vegeta and Goku hit a ceiling and are on the same level: so what? They'll still be continuing to become stronger regardless. Quite frankly, I've lost interest in the idea that Vegeta needs to be stronger than Goku. It misses the point of the theme I mentioned. Yes, there are times when one may overlap the other, and Vegeta has gotten the short end of the stick, but again, that was because he was a prick. However, we are beyond the point, in terms of story, of Vegeta admitting that Goku is better than him, which means only now is he walking the right path to becoming stronger in the right way. Why else did he suddenly manage to hold his own against a God of Destruction after said God hurt his wife? It's that sort of progression that is leading Vegeta towards his new path of strength. And like many paths, its a baby-step progress.

He's already been proven to have a pure heart, though. He helped make Goku a Super Saiyan God. That alone proves that he's changed. We don't need this movie to show us what we already know has happened. He deserves some time in the spotlight to.

 

I never said Vegeta needs to be stronger than Goku, I'm not sure where you pulled that one from. All I want is for Vegeta to be equal with Goku, which as you said will never happen, because Toriyama likes making Goku the one who's obviously much more powerful. That's why Vegeta's never been able to do anything Goku's done in the past.

[Firaga 5,947]

He's already been proven to have a pure heart, though. He helped make Goku a Super Saiyan God. That alone proves that he's changed. We don't need this movie to show us what we already know has happened. He deserves some time in the spotlight to.

 

I never said Vegeta needs to be stronger than Goku, I'm not sure where you pulled that one from. All I want is for Vegeta to be equal with Goku, which as you said will never happen, because Toriyama likes making Goku the one who's obviously much more powerful. That's why Vegeta's never been able to do anything Goku's done in the past.

 

*sigh* It's "righteous" heart, not "pure" heart. Something Vegeta himself denied having. In general, BoG's proclamation of Vegeta's alignment is just ass-backwards. That's not really his fault though. There are just more examples of him being a spoiled brat villain than there are of him being morally right. It's just hard to look back with a clear eye on everything he has done and believe that he deserves to be called good or that he deserves a source of power derived from being good. I mean, maybe if this was the type of series where characters fully explain their motivations and though processes to the audience, and Vegeta was given a chance to explain himself post-Buu Saga, then it would be just fine, but they don't and he never did. Vegeta has never clearly shown that he regrets his past actions and wishes to better himself as a person because of it. That's why he doesn't have a good heart. He, along with the narrative, just decided to hand wave everything.

 

Also, Vegeta has clearly done a lot of things that Goku has done in the past, i.e. becoming a Super Saiyan and curb stomping/defeating a main villain. That is arbitrary right there. As for everything else, well, I already explained why.

[Shulk 8,623]

*sigh* It's "righteous" heart, not "pure" heart. Something Vegeta himself denied having. In general, BoG's proclamation of Vegeta's alignment is just ass-backwards. That's not really his fault though. There are just more examples of him being a spoiled brat villain than there are of him being morally right. It's just hard to look back with a clear eye on everything he has done and believe that he deserves to be called good or that he deserves a source of power derived from being good. I mean, maybe if this was the type of series where characters fully explain their motivations and though processes to the audience, and Vegeta was given a chance to explain himself post-Buu Saga, then it would be just fine, but they don't and he never did. Vegeta has never clearly shown that he regrets his past actions and wishes to better himself as a person because of it. That's why he doesn't have a good heart. He, along with the narrative, just decided to hand wave everything.

 

Also, Vegeta has clearly done a lot of things that Goku has done in the past, i.e. becoming a Super Saiyan and curb stomping/defeating a main villain. That is arbitrary right there. As for everything else, well, I already explained why.

Oh no, I mixed up words... It's not that big of a deal. Also, he's done a lot throughout the series. I'm not going to go over it all because you just ignore what I say any time I bring up how he's redeemed himself. Also, do you really want him to spend 70% of the movie to prove a point that BoG proved in 10 seconds? Nobody wants that.

 

But it always took him much, much longer than it took Goku. He always gets these upgrades long after Goku does. He never even got to use Super Saiyan 3 in canon. Not even in Battle of Gods. His own SON can use Super Saiyan 3 when he's fused, but Vegeta himself can't. Also, when did Vegeta ever defeat a main villain? It was always Goku or Gohan.

 

Speaking of which, Vegeta isn't even the second most important character now that I think about it. That would be Gohan, the one who could have easily defeated Cell if he wasn't so cocky, and the one who the Buu Saga was originally going to focus on. Vegeta's never even had part of an arc focusing on him as the main character.

[Firaga 5,947]

Gohan is irrelevant compared to Vegeta now. That was made apparent years ago.

 

Look: my point is that Vegeta having god power would be much more satisfying if he just told us, us the viewers, that he is sorry. He knows that he was a spoiled brat. He knows that he's done wrong. He knows that to become stronger, he has to finally abandon his former past and truly understand the error of his ways. 

Frieza coming back would be a perfect opportunity for this. Frieza represents his past, the type of person he used to be before he met and interacted with Goku and co. And the fact that Frieza, for some reason, is asking Vegeta to rejoin his army, just makes it all the more precedent. It would give him the ultimate chance to prove how far he has truly come as a character. And no, I'm not asking that this take up "70% of the movie", and no, BoG did not "take care of it" in 10 seconds. Vegeta hasn't done enough to prove that he has a righteous heart. He himself denied it. It's bullshit. All I am asking is that Vegeta finally atone for his sins, and earn his power the proper way, instead of just based off the hand-waved and contrived notion that "he's already good", when he has done next to nothing to prove otherwise, and not even his minuscule amount of good deeds can cover it.

Edited April 10, 2015 by Firaga Sensei

[Reyn 1,755]

So, uh, the cat's pretty much out of the bag for this piece of information, so I might as well inform everybody outright.

 

 

So in the movie, Goku will receive a new transformation where his hair will spike up and turn blue, similar to the original Super Saiyan design, which makes sense because the form is described as a Super Saiyan form with the power of a Super Saiyan God.

 

The form is notable because it follows along with the theme of fire presented in the original Super Saiyan God form. The transition from red to blue is basically the act of fire turning hotter, and of course when fire is super hot, it takes on the color of a lightish blue. The aura, as shown in the pictures, follows this theme as well.

 

Even so, people are making stupid jokes about it. Arg.

 

Wow, so the leak appeared to be true after all...Lol. This looks cool though, i had a feeling Goku would get a new transformation if Frieza was coming back. Glad to hear Vegeta's possibly getting the same thing in canon aswell.

 

Oh no, I mixed up words... It's not that big of a deal. Also, he's done a lot throughout the series. I'm not going to go over it all because you just ignore what I say any time I bring up how he's redeemed himself. Also, do you really want him to spend 70% of the movie to prove a point that BoG proved in 10 seconds? Nobody wants that.

 

But it always took him much, much longer than it took Goku. He always gets these upgrades long after Goku does. He never even got to use Super Saiyan 3 in canon. Not even in Battle of Gods. His own SON can use Super Saiyan 3 when he's fused, but Vegeta himself can't. Also, when did Vegeta ever defeat a main villain? It was always Goku or Gohan.

 

Speaking of which, Vegeta isn't even the second most important character now that I think about it. That would be Gohan, the one who could have easily defeated Cell if he wasn't so cocky, and the one who the Buu Saga was originally going to focus on. Vegeta's never even had part of an arc focusing on him as the main character.

As much as i'd love for Gohan to be the second most important character, that opportunity is long gone, he's third important at best, and that's stretching it as this point now that he's basically become fodder. Also, honestly, Gohan hasn't had all that much importance over the course of the series aside from his role in taking out Cell once and for all. Sure, he's gotten spotlight and a crap ton of character development and was important, but really, he was a kid for most of the series and barely managing to keep up with the other Z-Fighters that weren't Human.

 

While it was still impressive how strong he was at such a young age, he wasn't really able to do much aside from his lucky Deus Ex Machina transformation to take out Vegeta in the First Arc and help gather the Dragon Balls in Namek up until the end of Cell. Really, for most of that arc alone, Gohan was just there and wasn't able to do much aside from just accompany the main characters on whatever they decided to do while Goku was out of comission. It wasn't until Cell became perfect that Toriyama finally decided to throw Gohan into the spotlight and manage to eclipse even Goku's power (which, is still freaking amazing given how he's trained literally all his life and his son surpassed him in freaking 5/6 years of training since the start of Z, and he didn't even train for like nearly 2 years of that time) and take out Cell. Besides, likely the only reason he was given that enormous boost in power was because Toriyama wanted to end the series on the note of Gohan succeeding his father as protector of Earth and have Goku pass the torch. But of course it didn't, and while Gohan was supposed to take the spotlight in Buu, the Goku fan outcry forced Toriyama to revert Gohan to a tetriary role and while he did have his importance in Buu with him finally unlocking his hidden power, he basically turned into fodder by the end of it and Goku was officially re-instated as the protagonist.

 

Vegeta on the other hand has been second most important protagonist since the end of Namek and stayed that way for most of the story afterwards. He's been Goku's rival ever since, and that along with his enormous power is more important to the plot than what Gohan has been able to do for most of the story. Point is, Gohan has his shot, but Vegeta's easily been more important than him since the end of Cell and even prior.

 

As for what i have to say on Vegeta and him becoming a SSJG (Or God 2 or whatever the Blue Haired mode will be called), i agree with Firaga somewhat. Vegeta has shown how he's changed and that he's not the evil sadistic bastard he was at the beginning of the story, and he's done good deeds, but i do think if he's gonna be handed the power of a God and have a shot at actually taking down the main villain for once, he should at the very least show a little bit of how he really does want to become a better person and that he regrets his mistakes and isn't the same as he was back under Frieza's army. I'm not trying to discreditwhat he's done in the past, he's done good, but he's done alot of bad too, and considering how one of Dragon Ball's themes is about Redemption, i think that this is a little bit needed, at least for the story's purposes, given how Vegeta's one of the most fleshed out and well developed characters of the series. It's confirmed that he has a righteous heart even if he does deny it (which i still don't get how he had a "pure" heart back when he first transformed into a SSJ when he was a still a dick and assumed to be "pure evil"), but a little more development with this would be nice.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

About that picture of the silver/blue haired Goku. What if it's not a new form at all? What if it's just Super Saiyan God but it looks different because Goku was already in Super Saiyan form when he went into God Mode this time? Just a thought.

Edited April 10, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Firaga 5,947]

About that picture of the silver/blue haired Goku. What if it's not a new form at all? What if it's just Super Saiyan God but it looks different because Goku was already in Super Saiyan form when he went into God Mode this time? Just a thought.

 

It is a new form, because its using the power of a Super Saiyan God whilst in a Super Saiyan transformation. Its basically a mastered form of Super Saiyan God, because the original red form was a sort of "base" that was unstable for Goku to control.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

It is a new form, because its using the power of a Super Saiyan God whilst in a Super Saiyan transformation. Its basically a mastered form of Super Saiyan God, because the original red form was a sort of "base" that was unstable for Goku to control.

I just thought that it might have been a Super Saiyan God who's appearance was altered because of the base form used but I did some research and I see now that isn't the case. You would think Toriyama could come up with a better name than "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" though. Even something as simple as "True Super Saiyan God" would have been better IMO. Edited April 10, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Firaga 5,947]

I just thought that it might have been a Super Saiyan God who's appearance was altered because of the base form used but I did some research and I see now that isn't the case. You would think Toriyama could come up with a better name than "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" though. Even something as simple as "True Super Saiyan God" would have been better IMO.

 

It's not the official name. Though, I prefer the term "Mastered Super Saiyan God".

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

It's not the official name. Though, I prefer the term "Mastered Super Saiyan God".

We'll see when the sub leaks tomorrow, but I think it is. Dragon Ball Wiki us usually reliable as far as wikis go. Edited April 11, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Firaga 5,947]

We'll see when the sub leaks tomorrow, but I think it is. Dragon Ball Wiki us usually reliable as far as wikis go.

 

Even if it is, I'm sticking with Mastered Super Saiyan God.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Even if it is, I'm sticking with Mastered Super Saiyan God.

I'm not saiyan that Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan isn't a stupid, stupid, ridiculously stupid name, but if it turns out to be official it doesn't matter what we call it -_-True Super Saiyan God FTW!

[Firaga 5,947]

I'm not saiyan that Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan isn't a stupid, stupid, ridiculously stupid name, but if it turns out to be official it doesn't matter what we call it -_-True Super Saiyan God FTW!

 

Blegh. "True" doesn't feel right either. "Mastered" falls more in line with the actual context of the form.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Blegh. "True" doesn't feel right either. "Mastered" falls more in line with the actual context of the form.

Mastered doesn't really feel right on the tongue for me. but Hell, neither are the official name anyway

[Firaga 5,947]

Mastered doesn't really feel right on the tongue for me. but Hell, neither are the official name anyway

 

Why not? It IS a mastery of the form. Technically.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Why not? It IS a mastery of the form. Technically.

I just liek the way "true" feels coming out of my mouth than "mastered" it has a more pleasant texture. Plus It's been a few moth since watching it so i can't remember but didn't Beerus say something about Goku "not being a true god yet" when he was talikg to Whis at the end of the movie?Also I keep thinking of the (non-canon) False Super Saiyan.  That and they never called the full power Super Saiyan 'Mastered Super Saiyan" although that was technically a Mastery of the initial Super Saiyan form, though they never gave it a unique name to begin with. 

Mostly I just like the way it sounds better

Edited April 11, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Firaga 5,947]

I just liek the way "true" feels coming out of my mouth than "mastered" it has a more pleasant texture.Also I keep thinking of the (non-canon) False Super Saiyan. That and they never called the full power Super Saiyan 'Mastered Super Saiyan" althoguth that was technically a Mastery of the initial Super Saiyan form, though they never gave it a unique name to begin with.

 

False Super Saiyan is non-canon. Argument invalid.

[Weedanort 8,786]

Ok, I'm gonna say this right now

 

Goku looks damn awesome

 

[Firaga 5,947]

Congratulations, you are the one of the few who actually think that. 

 

The rest, as I've said before, are making stupid jokes. Like "next movie, it'll be green, and then purple, and then silver, and soon he'll be all the colors of the rainbow like a bag of Skittles, hur hur hur."

 

Ugh.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

False Super Saiyan is non-canon. Argument invalid.

Uhh, no because neither Mastered Super Saiyan God nor True Super Saian God are the official names, an opinion cannot be invalid because it's a matter of personal preference, not canonicity. You saying my opinion is invalid only makes you sound like a close-minded jerk who believes everyone should think and feel the same way you do. I'm trying to remain civil but you're starting to come of as aggressive.Oh and I just remembered, about Vegita needing more growth to have the "righteous heart" needed to become a Super Saiyan God? BoG already proved he does because the processes involves "5 righteous Saiyans giving their power to another righteous Saiyan" if Vegita didn't have  a righteous heart, the process would not have worked for Goku.

Edited April 12, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno